I've seen these little f#ckers driving around and they have never wanted to go. Well tonight one did. It was a 3 lane road and I was sitting in the right lane, someone blocking my view in the middle and the WRX in the left, I couldn't see him though because of the car inbetween us. Anyway, the light turned and he gunned it off the line and thus grabbed my attention (yes, thus!:sillylol: ). I followed suit and gunned it to. He cut over into my lane and I cut over to take his lane so he wouldn't be in front of me. Anyway, we're sitting at the lights and he's reving and his fart can is farting etc. Ohhh how impressive. So I thought, OK, do this. Left foot on the brake right foot on the gas. And as the smoke cleared I could see his face and he wasn't laughing anymore :sillylol: The light turned and we both gunned it. I knew hed get an early lead with his 4wd compared to my 1wd (no posi) but I started to reel him in at about 40mph to which he starts flying all over the road into different lanes! WTF!?! Moron. Anyway, I had enough of that and headed off. All I need is some d1ck head just reaching puberty smashing into me because I was pulling him in.

It was good to see ho my car faired. I just got it back from mods recently but my MAF is dead, I'm running the stock chip, my air/fuel is all over the place and I have some intake stuff that needs sorting. But needless to say, I'm happy

Anyone else raced one? I think they are about 14.7 in the 1/4??

Rob

 

I know their 1/4 time's aren't that impressive, but the 0-60 times are pretty sick. Something like 5.5, or 5.4? I know it's rated above a new LS-1 F-body...

 

I test drove a wagon and a sedan WRX, and sorry dude, but they weren't really gunning it, or else they would have taken you to school. They are crazy fast on 0-60 and launch hard as hell.

i respect the WRX and wouldn't mind losing to one.

Now a civic is a different story...

 

By who? Import rodder monthly?

In the real world ANY LS1 fbody will smoke a WRX (stock for stock). They arent unbeatable in a thirdgen either. Off the line they perform well, but in the quarter mile that AWD becomes a major drag.

-Doug

 

I don't see them as a slow car. 14.0-14.2 is very easily attained in one of these stock and all it needs is a little more boost and it's in the 13's. Hell if It wasn't for the fact that i'd look stupid driving one every day cause they're kinda small i'd buy one if I was looking at new cars.

 

I thought C&D listed them at 14.6 . I don't see him wasting you, seems like with your mods he was racing. Either way, if he saw him powerbrake it and then the WRX got him out the whole, obvisouly he was racing.

 

I have a friend that has one with some minor modifications. He runs a bit over mid-14's (g-tech).

 

it doesn't sound like these people can drive to me. Car and driver has a 5.4 0-60 and a 14.1 in the quarter mile. There's a guy at my school who has a 02' black on black very nice one with minor mods(boost controller,exhaust,intake) and he's pulling mid 13's.

 

There was one at the track, some chick was driving it, she ran a 14.5, I don't knof it was stock or not. Those things are pretty quick, nice kill RMK!

 

dude, i really gotta say i dont believe he was going for it. i go to a lot of street racing and i saw a wrx (i believe they all have turbo) awd against a 98 ls1 z28. the wrx absolutely destroyed the z on the launch, all four tires hooked and just walked on away, and the z didnt spin much either. it was one of the most awesome races ive seen. the z was gaining on it at the top of third gear and it looked like the wrx was a few cars ahead but damn, those wrx's are extremely bad ***. i totally doubt even a modded thirdgen would keep up with a slightly modded wrx assuming both people know how to drive.

 

You must have a different definition of "modded" than me.

 

I think if you get a stock WRX and a stock Z-28, both manuals, 2001, and under thee exact same conditions, drivers etc. the Z-28 will blow the WRX outta the water. Evan Smith got a stock 99 Z-28 to run a 12.8! There is no way a WRX could compete with that, and jsut because 0-60 is fast doesn't mean that they will beat a Z-28 in the 1/4 because it has a better 0-60. My brothers vette ( tpivette89 ) does 0-60 in about 5 seconds flat, and he only run 13.6. On this board there are a lot of 3rd gens who would absolutely kill WRX's. But this is just my 2 cents.

 

91-92 L98 thirdgen...14.2-14.4 stock. A few mods you're in the 13's. Add a torque converter and tires and the launch will rival the WRX.

WRX-14.2-14.7(depending on driver) stock. A few mods he's in the 13's.

Anyone who knows thirdgens should see that its a pretty even match up. If a stock WRX with a less than perfect driver could easily get it spanked my a slightly modded thirdgen.

Its just the 305's that'll have trouble.

-Doug

 

I detect a slight bit of

12.8 in a stock z28...


I can't believe how one minded some people are. just because they own an F-body, they are now unbeatable by an import?

I've driven WRX various years, various body styles.

And I've driven z28's.

And both are extremely fast.

Just because its not American doesn't make it a slow car. Lots of thirdgens can beat WRX's, but alot of WRX can walk thirdgens as well. A stock 350TPI wouldn't stand a chance, why, cause I've walked a few 350tpi in my 305tpi 5 speed, and I got walked by every WRX I met with that engine/tranny combo.

So sorry guys. Unless you've done more than "homemade mods" and a K&N, and actually sank some cash into making actual power out of the stock forsaken TPI I read these post and take them with a grain of salt.

 

12.8's from stock '01-'02 LS1's are not B.S.

I have never seen a '98 car hit that mark bone stock (this doenst mean it couldnt happen, I just didnt see it). With a few cheap mods sure, but not stock.

Its all about the driver, track and conditions. I have even seen a '02 WS6 AUTO hit 12.87, stock down to the paper air filter.

-Doug

 

I just looked for my April '98 issue of Chevy High Performance. Jeff Smith got an '98 LS1 Z28 to run 13.34 @ 105.75 on the stock P245/50ZR16 Goodyear tires.

Anyways, i still dont understand what you all's definition of "modded" is. Certainly though, you'll need more than an exhaust on a 305 (alot more actually) to keep up with a WRX.

Guess we all have different meanings of what a modified car is.

 

I agree,
A 305tpi would have a hard time with one of these. Even a 5 speed car would need full exhaust, cam, prom tuning, intake and suspension work to come out on top. So yep, I'd say more than minor mods.

A speed density L98 is a different story...

-Doug

 

Read my entire post, not just the last line. I was saying 0-60. Read what ever mag you want, a stock, lightweight AWD WRX will beat the heavier RWD Z28 off the launch to 60. The WRX may destroy it's clutch dropping it from 5 grand or so, but it'll get the job done.

 

Ha-ha!! Yeah, its sooo powerful off the line that it just breaks stuff. I saw one at the track a couple of weeks ago. Its first run was a 14.8 (at our altitude, new Z28 run like low to mid 14's), then it just "broke" on the second one. He had just taken off, and baaammm!!!!! (And it wasn't the clutch either!!!)
So much for import superior quality.

 

I think a lot of people are missing something, if you look at his signature, he's got aluminum heads, cam, 2800 stall TC, and 4" exhaust with headers and RPM intake, he should definately be in the high 13s if he's got the gears to match it.

 

Just looked it up: Car and Driver has it at 6.1secs and Motor Trend got 5.7secs.

 

Yep,
The original poster RMK should have no problems with these guys.

His setup sounds pretty killer on paper...I'd like to see it in person.

-Doug

 

GMHTP staffer Evan Smith absolutely did pilot a 99' Z to a 12.89. read your back issues. now that the LS1s have a stronger clutch and LS6 intake, they should be even faster. A WRX doesnt stand a chance against a LS1 with a decent driver. ive seen a WRX at my track go 14.4. a LT1 or even a L98 could beat that. I have yet to race one in my Vette, but sooner or later ill get to add one to my "kills" list. and if they only do 0-60 in 5.5 secs or so, ill get him off the line too.

 

Well I never thought I'd get such a mixed set of reactions from this post. For everyone who doubts that the guy was actually racing me, after he was reving and after I sat smoking my tires he held up 3 fingers then pointed forward. To me that was him wanting to go.

Rob

 

All I know is I smoked one too. But maybe he wasn't racing. Yah right!! By the time I hit about 80 he was so far back I just let off. I go with the third gen all the way. but agree a 305 will have a slightly tuffer time beating one. :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

 

Evan Smith, the editor of a MUSTANG magazine got a Z28 to go 12.8 on a hot day and the Bullit they tested went high 13s I think. Theres no way a WRX could do that, and plus there isn't much driver error in the launch where a WRX could be faster, but there is in the Z28.

 

flame me, but i always thought turbo cars take mods extremely well, and with an awd platform, what more can you ask for? who wouldnt love a thirdgen that came stock with awd and turbo? that is one heck of a combination and im sure with alot of boost (which wouldnt be too hard to do considering its already got turbo) it would be extremely difficult to keep up with. i like thirdgens alot, and we all seem to love the turbo trans am, imagine if that was awd. im very open minded about cars, i like em all as long as they are set up nicely, but i have a hard time seeing a wrx set up for a lot of boost vs. a heavily modded (350, aluminum heads, superram whatever) thirdgen and losing. thats just my .02.

 

Evan Smith has a 1999 Z28 M6 weighing like 3400 lbs. bone stock go a 12.8 in a good cool temperature. This was on the "old" power. In 2000 they got the LS6 intake and a 5hp increase in the rating.

GMHTP has a 2001 SS M6 weighing 3800lbs. in 98 degree heat BONE STOCK go 12.9. The Bullit of the same day went a best of 13.8.

I have seen a 2002 WS6 with just a whisper lid and K&N for mods go 12.7.

New stock LS1's are requent visitors to the 12's. Check out www.LS1.com and go to the 12 second club.

 

now wait before everyone goes ape**** on me, please remember the original post was about thirdgens not fourth gen ls1's. stock to stock the ls1 would beat a wrx. however, i dont see too many stock thirdgens that would hang with a stock wrx. tta would destroy one for sure. but for an l98 its curtains. simple as that. however, rmk has alot more then just that, and it looks like he'd give alot more then a wrx can handle. a few simple mods and the wrx would walk that camaro however.

 

hey cruz'n, considering that the WRX has only been in a US production run for the last two years, id like to know exactly how various the cars were that you've driven? especially considering that the power and weights were consistent for both years. stock a wrx is good for a 5.4 0-60 and mid 14's, fairly solid numbers, the awd takes a lot of variation out. an ls1 is good for low 13's with a moron driving. a good driver can pull 12's. an l98 in good tune can run a low 14 or better, if you can hook it up. Oh, and for homemade mods, a cai, pocket ported heads, ported intake, and exhaust will drop an l98 into solid 13's or better. i dont know about you, but i can do most of those right here in my garage. ill give you that a wrx is easy to mod, but not neccessarily cheap, and not every one is modded. ive seen a non turbo supra burn one easy. and as for you losing to every wrx but beating every l98, thats either bs or rice talk, either way i dont believe it. ive seen many a 5 spd 305 and l98 take the local wrx's, theyre gettin tired of it. one or two guys are in the 12's with thier wrx's, but ive got some l98's out here in the mid tens, nitrous and supercharged. theres 2 zr1's, they just eat everything, i understand theyre lotus dohc 5.7's but still....just had to throw them in there. nothing aginst them, and in fact im lookin to maybe get a wagon version, need a family car, but still. to say they take everything is crazy.

 

Agreed with ssII.

 

right, to say they take everything is crazy, thats why i never said it.

 

Who said they take everything certainly not me.

I've driven three WRX, two sedans and a wagon. 2002. I looked at buying one for a while, but backed out due to price.

You are certainly someone who likes to stick your foot in your mouth, thats easy to tell. I said I've walked a few, not every, and I'm assuming these are stock l98 which without the 5 speed were very ill equipped stock.

As for this "I have WRX in 12's and l98's in 10's.

Who cares...

With enough money you can get a K-car to do 10's if you want so what. All I'm saying is this was a street race. 0-60 these WRX are killer. I just read about RMK mods and i understand him walking the WRX at a higher speed, but there is no way a stock thirdgen or "homemade modded" one could catch one of these things off the line if the WRX'r can drive the machine.

You have no respect for import cars at all. We can all see this.

I on the other hand have respect for all well built machines, whether GM, Ford or even an import. Subaru is a well built machine. But I am a Chev fan.Doesn't mean i go around knocking everything Ford, or import.

Your car is only as fast as the money you put into it.
Whether you take a $3000 thirdgen and drop $3000 into it, or you buy a new $30,000 WRX.
At least with a thirdgen you've saved yourself money, and own a piece of history.

anyways...

 

I think it is almost impossible to compare two cars made in different decades with each other. The truth is that Brand New prices the older car would be cheaper because of inflation. In performance the newer car will probably be quicker, because of technology. A great example would be a new MINIVAN vs. a 50s VETTE. I've seen shows that say newer minivans are fastre 0-60 than the first vettes. Of course a 2002 car will be as fast as a late 80s car, have you guys ever heard of a company making cars slower, besides Ford in the mid 90s!!! If you compared a 1989 Subaru vs a 1989 Camaro and a 2002 Subaru vs a 2002 Camaro, you WILL find that the Camaro wins hands down. But to compare a 2002 Subaru vs a 1989 Camaro is making it an unfair comparison. Especially when mods come into play. This is just my opinion.

 

That is what I always say 5.0. Two different eras, two different technologies......................

 

ive heard that the wrx is not a good drag car cause its to easy to break the clutch and the drive train.

 

Sorry man, I have seen those stock, and they eat up things. Either he didn't know how to drive or his fart pipe was clogged. Those things launch like nobodies business. No way by 40. Maybe 70 or 80...maybe.

 

We have a 2002 2.5RS Impreza and it launches good, but a V8 with a good driver and Drag Radials could hang with it no problem. I would rather get thrown in the seat spinning the tires than just go!!!

 

i dont personally own a ten or 12 sec car, just the area. my car runs a high 13, and has taken the only wrx i ran against, albeit a wagon. as for not respecting imports, i do respect those that i like. and those that are genuinely fast. supras, rex's, 3000gt's, and yes i do like wrx's, though if i were to pick one up i think itd more than likely be the pontiac version coming out next year. yes subaru is a gm subsidiary now, and gm is gonna make full use of that (thank ***). im thinkin of getting one for the commute. oh, you did say this however:

A stock 350TPI wouldn't stand a chance, why, cause I've walked a few 350tpi in my 305tpi 5 speed, and I got walked by every WRX I met with that engine/tranny combo.

you just said an l98 doesnt stand a chance, based on the few youve walked. sorry, but stock for stock a l98 is faster, if it can hook. mod for mod, wrx, its just easier to make a factory boosted car fast. dollar for dollar though, and my maro would destroy a wrx, even if it just included the purchase price at some 27k, versus the whole 5500 in my car. add a good 21k on to that and id be in the high tens. not to flame or disrespect, but the whole pocket rocket phenom is getting annoying. but i really do like the wrx. it just seems that every civic drivin backwards cap wearin gold chain bestowed gap toothed skinny as* white boy with a wing and drilled muffler not respecting american cars really gets to me. makes me less inclined to buy one, but i definately want a rex, i love that rotary. i do like and respect imports that deserve it, and wrxs do. but saying it will beat an ls1 to 60 is ignorant (not cruzn, miked) an ls1 z28 is a 5.2 car with a good driver. as stated before a wrx is 5.4. to 60 its a near negligable difference, but6 the wrx will by no means win decisively, although it is easier and more consistent do to the awd.but the z is much more capable, and its all motor baby. not to mention, i just love a big smoky rwd burnout, not a common sight witht he wrx. you wanna fast awd car that can do a big burnout? diablo or murcielago vt, now theres a car man.

 

LOL folks were talking about a car with 168hp and 165lbs-ft at the wheels stock.

 

not cheap my ***

$3 at home depot
make a homemade bleeder valve

bleeds off the boost sig to the wastegate

you just upped your boost to whatever you now want to run

another few bucks spent on a better intake pipe so let the boost build quicker

oh yeah few more bucks to make the TMIC a FMIC (ifyou can do it on this car) and that should be worth a few there due to better cooling of the intake charge

that alone could prolly put the car into mid 13's depending on how much you up the boost with a $3 boost controller

 

lol dude put the pipe down

Horsepower 227 @ 6000 rpm
Torque (lb.-ft.) 217 @ 4000 rpm
as quoted from subaru.com


and to think my car with around 150hp and maybe 150 tq can give your tpi cars a decent race

 

Those are flywheel numbers.

 

i love rex's, and a $3 boost controller is cool, cept i believe you need to weld it in. not everyone has a mig at home, but i have an arc and gas. i want a mig. and not everyone is capable of making a homemade boost conttroller. specially around here. very few importers, mostly ricers. with the 305 tpi i walked just about every import out here, and it was a low 15 secondcar then. im no professor on turbos, so im not quite sure what is needed to make them faster, but im lookin into gettin a turbo 3.8 into my 38 ford coupe. cool license plate too, 3PNT838, just an idea. but the fastest civic ive seen around here ran a 15.9, turboed. he also fried the tranny (auto). my friend had a fat 89 rex runnin in 12's, but it was more or less all bottle. somewhere in the 190 horse range on motor, a 150 shot, and no weight. thing was fast...i got to drive it a few times, roasted this jackass' 71 nova 307 that he thought was fast. kid was a di*k to me before, but i roasted him in my 305 later. damn car was a paperweight. but a wrx isnt the *** of pocketrockets, i honestly believe that title belongs to the peter farrell rx7, 750 horse and handles like a dream.

 

peter has some sweet *** cars


but as far as a boost controller

it doesn't need to be welded in

all you do is hook it up to the line that lets the wastegate know how much boost you are running

it kinda bleeds off the signal so the wastegate will open up later