Ill make this short

2004 Subaru WRX
2.0 Liter TURBO
5 Speed Manual
227hp@6000rpm
215lb tq
4 door sedan
bonestock

vs


1990 Iroc

5.7 L98 350
T56 manual out of a 94 Fbody
Flowmasters
Straight piped cats
Headers (no clue what kind)
Performance chip/airfoil
K&Ns

Now my friend bought the 2004 WRX with a 2.0 turbo that pushes 227hp wit a 5 speed. He thinks hes tuff sh*T and already beated down some hondas and thinks he owns anything on the road, claims he can beat a 2004 vette with his WRX He claims it runs high 13s with a 0-60 5.3 secs ( but i read they run mid to low 14s with a 0-60 at 6 secs, which are bonestock L98 times) He wants to race some guy at work with a 90 iroc L98 with all the mods that i listed above. I told my friend hes gonna loose, he wont listen tho. Also this is the WRX that isnt the STI. There both good at drivin stick. I think hes gonna loose, what ya guys think? There gonna race tomorrow nite. Ill post the results

they both never brought it to the tracks , so they dont kno there times

 

My money's on the L98

 

what gear is in the rearend of the L98. 3.73 would be good match with the t56. Those Wrx's are quick but I think the 90 roc has this one if launch is good and you can drive.

 

i belive its 3.73s orr89. I hardly know the guy, But i also think a stock l98 would take the reg 2.0 turbo one.. I went for ride in it and i must say its quick, but its not as fast as everyone says it is... The L98 has more TQ, and i just love riding my 91 Z more then his 04 wrx. But hey, cant wait

heres the specs
2004 WRX non sti
Engine
Type: Turbocharged Flat-4
Horsepower: 227 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 217 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 5.8 sec
0-100 mph: 15.0 sec
Quarter Mile: 14.4 sec @ 94.4 mph
Skidpad: .86g
Top Speed: 130 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 137 ft
Slalom Speed: 62.4 mph

 

ive seen a beretta beat a wrx, so with those mods i think he can win

 

I depends on how long they race and how good the drivers are. If the guy has already figured out how to launch his car (probably not) then the Camaro is going to have to play catch up. If the performance of the cars is close together, the Camaro will have a hard time catching up, so make sure the race is long.

 

well they race. And the IROC won. Yes another 3rd gen won! :yes: :rock: I was watchin it in a parkin lot with my friends off RT1. They raced about a 1/4 from stop light to stoplight. At first when they both took off the iroc was ahead about 3 car lengths and after that it was his race. He won about 5 car lengths. But my friend was havin some trouble shiftin tho... But hey! A WIN IS A WIN!

 

Pat your friend on the back and thank him for taking down that smack-talking Rex! The STi is a killer machine, but the guys who buy non-STi need to realize what they bought! My friends have taken them down with PT Cruiser GTs with the Stage 1 turbo upgrade so it's no wonder the '90 Roc smoked him!

 

heres what my friends ride looks like the WRX, I just love when a 3rd gen Can still spank Imports, even tho my friend drives one

 

Tell your friend to invest 20 dollars in a used boost controller (or go to Home Depot and buy the parts for 15. There's guys on Nasioc (North American Subaru Imprezza Owner's Club) running low 13's w/ just a boost controller and unbolted cats.

And tell you friend:


blip... BLIP, WOT, slip, DUMP!
That's how you launch a WRX and cut the sub 2 second 60's

 

my friend is an idiot. His 2004 WRX with 900 miles is already leakin oil all under his car. He was an idiot for buyin a POS Subaru and its leakin already and doesnt even have 1000 miles!

 

It sounds a lot like a user error to me. Subaru has come a long way in the last two decades or so.

 

Stu,

maybe your right, cuz he beats the **** outta of it. He also really isnt an experience driver with TURBO

But like PPL say Subaru is the #1 Lesbian Car

 

Did he take it "off road" when he got it, to be just like a rally driver? lol

 

lmao, nah he just goes down the road.. And he hammers it until he hits like 100.

 

My 'official' new car is an STi. For those that remember me my old car was a 1990 IROC-Z ... ~380 to the rear wheels ....

http://www.bescaredracing.com/movies/track.wmv
http://www.mycar.net/mafb/registry/detail.cfm?id=101

I love my new STi. Talk smack about Subarus all you want But, coming from a guy who actually owned a bad-**** thirdgen, I can honestly say that the STi is an absolutely awesome machine. No, it's not as fast as the IROC (yet), but man o man is this car one capable machine in every sense of the word.

BTW, the guy in that WRX didn't know how to drive or else he would have jumped on you by AT LEAST a car length. Tell your buddy that he needs to learn how to drive AND he needs to do an exhaust and ECM. This will net him between 50-60hp to the wheels and put him in the mid 13's once he learns to drive.

Tim

 

all have to say is nice 1990 Iroc:hail:

 

You were able to run an 11 with only those mods? Wasn't that like only like $500-$1,000 worth of mods or something? I should get a Third Gen.

 

Send them Subarus my way lol!

 

I sold it to a member of this board. Great guy and he'll continue where I left off. The STi is taking it's place ... and so far doing a darn good job of it. It needs about another 100hp. But, no biggie. That's easy enough.

Tim

 

You must be looking at the wrong stuff. The video is of my old car ... not the original poster's car. My heads alone had $2K into them.

Tim

 

I was just going off of the mods listed in the begining of the video, I probably past over something. Thanks for clearing that up. I was about to start making fun of everyone on the board who wasn't running 11's.

 

Ok then ... so you basically did read it correctly. I ran 11's with the information presented there (along with some other stuff like a 3600 stall converter, 3.73's, etc). It doesn't take a lot to run 11's if you put together a well matched combo and you run a MiniRam, ported AFR's, and a huge cam. It's actually pretty darn easy. For a full list of the mods just go to ...

http://www.mycar.net/mafb/registry/detail.cfm?id=101

The problem with others who may be running 'similar' stuff is that their combos are not matched and/or their tuning sucks.

Tim

 

No Offense Trax, But why would you want to sell your Iroc and buy a 30,000 dollar car? Hell if i had that kinda money i would shoot for 40 and buy a Vette. Plus your Iroc is a muscle car and was way faster then the STI with your mods and its hundred times better looking, no offense. I dunno i guess whatever floats your boat dude, I love your old Iroc , that thing was beauty and the beast

 

1. Cars with turbos running high boost shouldn't go full throttle for an extended period of time, as in like more than 20 seconds or so. (Read: The WRX runs ~14 psi stock so I think that qualifies as high boost) Prolonged boost and incorrect cooldown are major causes of the turbo's oil seal leaking.

2. It's true that Subaru is the #1 Lesbian car! However, it is also true that the third gen and older fbody is the #1 Mexican Beaner car

 

No offense to you either, but the Iroc isn't that hot by modern standards either. It's a damn classic beauty to us gearheads for sure, but I wouldn't exactly say it's beautiful the way a C6 vette is beautiful...

Read the issue of Hot Rod magazine where the STI murdered the '04 Cobra in every single possible performance category, and you shall see why.

And maybe he has a family, And maybe he likes to go skiing/snowboarding.

Also it may be hard for people who's automotive mentality was raised in a domestic environment to see this, but going sideways is actually more fun, and much cheaper, than going in a straight line. (well, that is if you get pleasure out of the actual act of driving. I suppose if you were a grease monkey building engines would be much funner)

 

Maybe he likes being able to talk over wind noise and not smell like gas when he gets out of the car. Maybe he also wants to have an interior that isn't so old, that no matter how well or often you clean it, it still looks like ***. I don't know, those are the reasons I'd like a new car. And a warranty.

 

HA #1 mexican beaner car. Havent herd that one.... Well I think Subarus are junk. And I Acutally like some imports as well. So dont flame me on how i think all imports are ****, which isnt true. I like the newer Nissans and Acuras. There Quick and nice. Now tell me, what looks better on a track. A 3rd gen Iroc doing a 14.3 or a Subaru STI doing 13s? I think its more then HP and Speed, Its also how the looks, And the Irocs back in the 80s were kinda like the STIs then plus better lookin

 

IROCs look pretty plain. Just like a Fox Body.

 

have to diagree with u there stu. a base model with out a body kit looks pretty plain. when u have a iroc body kit and iroc rims then it looks sweet.(my opinion)

 

wtf? Are you serious Stu? A fox body yea is ugly... But a 3rd gen? Iroc is plain? What about a 91-92 Z? There the best looking Camaros imo. Why are you here on TGO then Just to compare your Acura

Pa Lease a 1990 Acura is more Plain lookin. Im not Startin ****, i just disagree

 

this is plain lookin? a 1988 Iroc

 

I NEVER said my car looked good. I think my car is the worst looking of all the Integras. Not only the year, but its current state.

 

Okay Gotcha But how can think a Iroc is plain!?

 

With certain body kits STU, your style integra looks better IMO than newer ones. I am kinda partial to that boxy look tho. Thats why I like thirdgens.

I cant tell the difference from an Iroc and an RS except for the badging and rims. LOL


Oh, the cobra in that article did do better in some categories than the STI did. Dont remember which ones tho but the STI didnt completely clear the slate! LOL

I like thirdgen interiors. Its not too plain nor does it have too much modern vibes to it. Modern cars are too plastic like for me. If you dont like it, change the color and add custom seat covers like from Hawks (Not cheap slip ons but complete interior seat overhaul) or get corbeau/Sparco/other racing seats to add nice modern race car feel. 4th gen seats offer more modern comfort so does the 4th gen dash conversion. This is were the market comes into play. What you dont like, get rid of and do what you like.

As far as too plain looking, add a hood and rims and paint and the car is completely transformed. Look at Graboids car, Kandied's car, and many other cars on this site. completely different.

A F-body has great potential to handle. Why do some of you think that it cant be done? Since when does AWD make a car handle? Add complete aftermarket suspension components and wide sticky tires and it will out handle most cars out there. ASK CrazyHawain, he does that drifting road race stuff. Many others too. With these components, the handling is greater than needed for most street driving.

I dont see a point other than warranty to justify buying new car unless you like the body style. WRX's are not my cup of tea but old friends WRX has a kit and wheel combo that is just HOT!! dont ask me about it cuz I dont know what he has and wont see him much anymore. He has 8 grand into the motor and its probly in the low 12's or 11's now. Traxion, just my opinion, but you went so far in going fast with that car and with more money, it could have been made to out do anything the STI will. I would have keeped modding the Iroc, or bought a early 90's vette, modded that and be done with it. That vette would handle, move quick, and have nice interior.


Sweet!! My 400th post. :lala:

 

or bought a early 90's vette,

Lt1 or L98???

 

Ok fighting about opinions is dumb, you think one car looks better, how can you be wrong...

But I can say that owning a 2002 Subaru RS, you cant call them a bad car until you own one. Ours has 40,000 miles now and has never had one issue. Just had new tires replaced, and the only damage came from a tree falling on it! Car doesn't leak, or use any oil. From our experience the Subarus have come a long way (and even the old ones I have seen have a LOT of miles and run fine).

 

Your Right For once 25th It all depends how you take care of it. My friends is POS, maybe cuz he beats on it.. So i took it wrong. But i still dont like them, jmho

 

My dad has a 92 Legacy with 340,000k on it and it doesnt knock, tick, smoke or leak oil. Yea, Subarus are crap

 

My IROC was ...

1) A Beast
2) Illegal
3) Impractical
4) Good weather
5) Stinky

I didn't give up my IROC for an import. I sold my IROC because it didn't fit me anymore. The IROC turned out exactly as I wanted it to when I started it 7 years ago. Only problem is ... I am now 7 years older with a wife, kids, and a nice job

The IROC could only be driven in good weather. It was not a 'safe' car. I wouldn't carry my kids in it. The cam had so much overlap that when I got to my office my clothes wreaked. The car had no cats due to longtubes with a Mufflex Y-pipe. That's crazy illegal here in Maryland. I was always worried about getting ticketed and/or jailed. The IROC was 14 years old and still running the STOCK shortblock that GM installed in 1990. It was also running the stock transmission (never rebuilt). I decided to go out on top because I am paranoid. Combine the good weather with the safety with the illegalness with the stinkyness with the old drivetrain with the non-flexibility of the car and it becomes almost obvious why I now have an STi.

I drive the STi every day. That means that I have a performance machine that gets driven every day in all types of weather ... rain, snow, shine, etc. In snow I can lock the DCCD (driver controlled center differential) into full LOCK and have 50% front and 50% rear going through 3 ... yes THREE limited slip differentials. I drive to work with no worries about being stinked up for a meeting with the bigwigs. I can throw my kids in the back (4 doors) and drive down the road with no worries about safety. The car is new so I'm not worried about breaking down ... and if I do then I have a warranty.

My IROC was amazing for what it was (and still is - whatup James!). It's an awesome car. However, it just doesn't fit into my lifestyle right now. I want a performance car that I can drive every single day with good safety ratings and an all around performer. This car does that and does it very well. How many vettes or F-Bodies do you see out in the snow? That's when things get really fun for me My kids are so important to me. I want to be able to buckle my son in the car and go! I couldn't do that with the IROC.

The STi is just so much more versatile than the IROC. The IROC is a cool car. It's just not what I want right now. Yea, I'm 100% sure that I will be back in the TGO scene again later. But, that's later ... when I have the money and garage and time to support the habbit. My kids are really young (one not even born yet) and anybody who IS a father understands how much time and energy it takes to raise them at early ages. I don't have time for a project car like the IROC anymore. But, I'll be back later ... and you can bet it will be something more impressive than what I already did. I have a crapload of thirdgen knowledge and experience in my head (I built my IROC myself) and think I could do it better

I sold my IROC and my 2000 Subaru so my payments on this thing are not even close to a 30K payment. BTW, I sold my 2000 Subaru with 45,000 miles on it and it never had 1 single problem ... ever. I never even had to change the brakes on it. All I did was change the oil and give it a tuneup at 20K.

And for those calling Subarus lesbian cars ... well, maybe they are - rofl ... but they are also die hard rally cars that are driven by burly courageous men. When's the last time an F-Body was taken around a moutain corner at 100mph?

Tim

 

If you are looking for a car for both worlds, you coulda picked up a truck extended cab for winter or some other family car. Keep the roc on the side. Thats what I plan on doing. I wouldnt drive the STI in the winter either. I would keep it nice. so what, it has AWD, thats alot of power to have to the ground tho. Just my opinion. I agree your Iroc was a bit too illegal and impractical, I didnt know much about it till you said so.

Congrats with the STI and your family. hope everything works out well.

 

so what my father has a 1987 Volvo 240GL station wagon that 280,000 miles and still runs excellent and we had it since i was born. Umm does that mean i like Volvos, ah no. I think Subaru has its issues as well. And i was never a big subaru fan in the first place. Good for your dad, he took care of it. I dont care if all subarus run 12s or last 500,000 miles, there still not my cup of tea

also i look for good looks in a car, *** Subaru has made some ugly cars

WRX
STI
Those Wrx station wagons
Baja

*** all of em are ugly

 

Again this is an OPINION. No offense but that means NOTHING when talking about Subarus being junk. You dont like them, doesnt mean they are bad cars that dont last. Same thing with the Volve you mention, you can argue how ugly, and stupid and everything it is, but the FACT is it is a good quality car. I cant and wont argue with your opinion, but will argue with the facts!

 

They have to be decent quality cars cuz they are fairly expensive compared to fords and chevys and similar cars in the class.


Well to be honest with ya, if a car is ugly, then it gets beat on , which then makes it junk. so ugly=junk by substitution. LOL

 

man relax This just cars! Not like the end of the world or somthin... Yes imo i think there Ugly, Imo i think there not worth buyin, Imo i could care less. I respect your opinion Brian, nothin else to say really...

 

I am relaxed, just have to state how I feel. I have no problem reading opinion sll day long, but there is a difference between opinion and fact, and thats all im saying! not the end of the world at all!

 

okay!! Fine! Yes theres reasons why i think subaru sucks, there always lined up at my dads gas station for repair. My dad loves them for a reason Also my friend just bought a brand new one and Bang its leakin all over the place. I beat on my brand new 2004 Jeep as much as he beats on 04 WRX. And have no issues with it and it already has 6,000 miles. I think he shoulda went for a 2004 jeep, He even told me he regrets buyin the wrx

 

TRAX, when you get back into Third Gens we'll all be wanting to see what you'll do next.

To everyone else, stop the arguing and BS. To any and all import guys, don't come here and talk negative about our cars, you definetly would not want us to come to your sites and do it. At least the 5.0 guys know better and can have a discussion without getting into an arguement everytime. Non-compliance will result in Probation or Banning.