89BlackFBird

What do you guys think will will? A 96 Grand Sport or a 02 Vette coupe? And what do you think looks better?

CobraKiller

I'd have to say it would be close but my money would be on the 02' vette coupe. And I'd take the 02' myself. The 96 is rare and all but I just like the c5's way too much.

tpivette89

the Grand Sport would probably be in the high 12s, while the C5s will just edge that out with numbers in the mid-high 12s. id have to take the GS, its because of that car i fell in love with Vettes.

rx7speed

what is the big deal about the grandsport?

89BlackFBird

yeah the GS is beautiful. I love the color. I think that admiral blue with white racing strips would look awesome on a C-5

CobraKiller

the GS is nice but my friend's 93 ruby red 40th anniversary edition vert is much more appealing to me.

tpivette89

Grand Sport : limited production of 1000 units for the 96' model year only. it also came with the LT4 motor (another 96' only option), backed by the ZF 6speed trans. Admiral Blue paint with large white center stripe simulating the original Grand Sport racer cars of the early 60s. it also came with ZR1 sized wheels and tires, although they were painted black instead of silver. besides a ZR1 or Callaway, its the ultamite C4. wish i could post a pic, but i dont know how. anyone else?

Mark A Shields

Not sure what the GS would run but the Vette should be capable of high 12s.

5.7L OF JUSTICE

The C5 will probablly win in a race but I would much rather have a Grand Sport. There are more C5 Vettes in any given town than there are Grand Sports total (1000). Plus purple with the white stripes is an awesome paint sceme. They should still offer those colors. A 63' Grand Sport would be even better. Only five of those.

Mark A Shields

Shrink the size of the pic to about 100kb and attach it, or find a website to upload the pic and copy and paste it's url.

Tom84L69

I'd like the 96 collector's edition with lt4 6 spped personally. the gs is a little gaudy. C5 over both though, it's a much better car

V6canvas

iTrader: (1)

I'd say the C5 would probably edge out the GS, but if given the choice, I'd take the keys to the Skunk In fact if you have $30k I know where there is one for sale, after sales tax it'll be more i suppose. Its sitting in this little independant car lot for $28 or $29k about 10 miles from where i live.

iroc22

The GS should win because the LT4 is really underated. The GS is capable of high high 12's and the LS1 stock wont hit 12s.

smokin87iroc

Mark305TBI

Here's one, rx7.

iroc22

wtf did you do that? Have u even compared the two engine's specs? The LS1's cylinder heads flow #'s @.500" 231/193 and the LT4's are 265/190 and the LT4 cam is a more aggressive grind. I dont know why you would think that the LS1 is more powerful than the LT4. Honestly we have to stop looking at factory #'s. Anything the factory says must be right I've seen numerous tests on the net where they pit these two engines side by side and the LT4 always makes more power. Plus these two cars are the same weight. The GS has bigger 315 tires compared to the 02's 275's, so the GS will hook better.

I've seen these cars run at sea level on the track and I'm keepin with what I said above.

tpivette89

even though the LT4 is very underrated, the C5 will still edge out a Grand Sport in the quarter. LT4 equipped Vettes can run high 12s with a capable driver. LS1s can go as fast as mid 12s. Look at the trap speed of the two cars. LT4s range from 106-108. C5s go from 108-112. If they both get good traction, the C5 will come out on top.

Tom84L69

the ls1 is more powerful. 330 hp vs 350 hp.

Tom84L69

you can't compare how the cars hook based on 40mm difference in tire width, the rear suspensions are completely different. of course the c5 rear susp is better in all respects than the c4.

smokin87iroc

you said a ls1 won't see 12's stock. i mean come on a good driver can make a z-28 go 12's stock so you think a vette will be slower? thats why i did that.
Andrew

iroc22

Oh yeah better in all respects considering the only changes to the suspension on the C5 was the upper and lower control arms were cast aluminum instead of the C4's forged aluminum and the driveshaft was changed to a metal matrix composite instead of the C4's aluminum. Plus the C5's body was stiffened up, making it harder to launch on a drag strip because of the weight transfer.

Thats what I was trying to avoid.

OK as for the trap speeds, I cant remember any off hand so I just looked in my motor trend road test review booklet and the 98 LS1 vette has a trap of 106.8mph and the 96 GS has a trap of 109.7mph I dont know man, honestly it does come down to driver and conditions for times, but really those LT4s get up and go

P.S. I am no way bias to the LT4 because I know no one with one (tho I do know a couple of people with LS1s) and personally I am a 63-67 (C2 I guess they would call it) Vette guy. So I'm not in a bias towards the LT4, I'm just saying it as I see it.

Tom84L69

dude, the whole DESIGN is different!!!! Look at one, it doesn't take a rocket scientist!!! it's not just a difference of metal types.

I worked with a guy who races both a c4 and a c5 and have taken both rear suspensions apart, they are different ENTIRELY.

As for the engines, do you think gm just throws numbers out there without backing them up? i know everyone says the LS1 Z28s are underrated, but by maybe 10 hp? not much anyway. i know the LS1s are the same corvette vs. camaro, it's intake and exhaust that makes the power difference. i'm sure the LT4 is pretty close to what it's rated at, so why "avoid" it?
I'm not saying the LT4 is a slouch here. they both kick ***.

Tom84L69

since when is a stiff body worse for drag racing? why would pro stockers be full tube chassis cars? stiff suspension is worse soemtimes, but who says the c5 is stiffer riding than the c4? no one who has ridden in both cars, for sure.

MikeDwhoROCZImports

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I remember when the C5 came out magazines compared them to a ZR-1 and the C5 was equally as fast or slightly faster in almost every respect. I know an LT-5 vette is faster than the LT-4.....so the C5 should be faster than the C4.

HOT/A377

I dunno, I think it would be pretty even, coming down to the drivers skill

I'd go with the GS b/c the C4 is my favorite vette, and I like the LT1/LT4

89BlackFBird

Alright since I started this post I might as well put in my 2 cents. In all my opinion I think the C5 would win, only because of the new technology and better horse to weight ratio. But I really love the way C4s look. But if you took a GS and put even 6 grand into the engine it would beat a C5. But stock to stock the C5 would win. But the GS is still legendary, and the C2 GS looks sooooooooo sweet.

I've heard rumors that next years vette is gonna be a GS because of the 50th anniversary. But its just a rumor so dont get ur hopes up

tpivette89

i too, favor the C4 over the C5 in looks. however (except for the ZR1) the C5 will beat the C4 in a drag race. if everything is the same : driver, traction, weather, etc the LS1 Vette will edge out a Grand Sport, stock for stock. Boy, i hope that GS 50th Vette is true, ive heard they might make it gold. yeech!!

Der91Z

iTrader: (1)

did anybody consider that the C5 has more modern technology than the older LT4. Comparing the LS1 and the GS is like comparing the the older 96 SS camaro with a brand new stock Z28. The 96 SS could barely hit 13's and the new stock z28's can hit mid 13's right out of the show room. The LS1 weights less and has more technology into it. Its almost like why do todays cars outperform most of the cars of the past that have higher horsepower. Its all due to technology.

89BlackFBird

yeah basically its due to technology and more efficient motors, and if we had 4 valves per cylinder and dual overhead cams then we'd be whippin around ricers like it was nothing. V-tech what?

JAY4SPEED

Heh, I know a Z06 vette would whoop the pants off a GS hands down. You wanna talk bad? Z06!! now thats BAD TO THE BONE!

tpivette89

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and if we had 4 valves per cylinder and dual overhead cams then we'd be whippin around ricers like it was nothing. V-tech what?

:hail: ZR1

V6canvas

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LT4 and '99+ Mustang Cobra I cannot think of any others though.

89BlackFBird

yeah thats true, 99 and up cobras, ZR1 and GS but I mean cmon, if the Z-06 had dual overhead cams and 32 valves then that car would blow away a lot of cars. Imagine if the new Viper SRT-10 had all that technology along with the 10 maxwell house sized coffee cans thumping up and down inside that oversized block? It'd be pushin 600 horse instead of 500. The only downside I see is 2 mpg

85transamtpi

There is no doubt in my mind that a C5 will beat the GS in a 1/4 mile race...and pretty much any other performance test.

iroc22: Anyone trapping 106 in a C5 either has an auto or is a terrible driver. Most LS1 Fbodies with 6 speeds trap at least 108.

Although I would loose every race to a C5, I'd much rather have the GS...unless we are talking about Z06's here.

-Doug

tpivette89

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- LT4 and '99+ Mustang Cobra I cannot think of any others
though

- yeah thats true, 99 and up cobras, ZR1 and GS

FYI : the LT4 does not have DOHC, its just a hot-rodded version of the LT1

paul_huryk

I like the looks of the C4 and the C5, but only the coupe, the hardtop and Z06 don't look good witht he short rear window.

As for the LT4 vs LS1 debate: a friend with a 1996 GS ran 12.9 every time he went to the track with it. And this past Sat at Hi-Tech there was a real GS (flares and big meats) running 12.5 all damn day. Not bad considering the fastest Z06 ran 12.3 one time. The LS1 cars ran 12.9-13.3. Edge to LT4.

As for the technology? Who cares? It only matters what the end result is: hp and performance (decent mileage helps too). Considering the LT4 outweighs the Z06 by 200lbs and runs 0.20s slower, they are both pushing out the same HP (give or take), regardless what the factory rating is.

iroc22

See I've seen these cars run at the track; and thats what I have seen too.

They both benefit from awesome technology, but the only real advantage I see with the LS1 is the aluminum block and the ignition system, I do like the higher exhaust ports (higher than the LT4), though the intake ports arent so hot. 00-01 LS1 would prolly give a LT4 a good run. They're the ones with the 108-110 trap speeds (w/ 6 speeds).

As for the stiffer C5, I have riden in both (95 ZR1/98 C5) and let me tell u, the C5 is a lot stiffer in the turns. My uncle autox vettes, thats how i got to ride in them. The C5 was brand new tho and he hadnt prepped it for autox and the ZR1 is his daily driver, so it isnt at all modded. Clearly the C5 felt more stable in the turn than the ZR1. The big meats on the ZR1 made it feel grippier but not stable in the turns. The C5's underbody with two full-length, hydroformed perimeter frame rails couple to a "back-bone" tunnel makes it the stiffest vette I have ever ridden in (Through my uncle I have ridden in so many vettes (all gens) it would make most people cry; except the GS).

Whoever said that the LT4 has 4-valves and DOHC

Treview1

"if we had 4 valves per cylinder and dual overhead cams then we'd be whippin around ricers like it was nothing. V-tech what? "

As if were not already....hahahahaha :hail: :hail: ZO6

Monkie

V6canvas

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That was me i think, oops. was it the ZR-1 that had the DOHCs? and if so, what was its engine designation?

91-ZZ4-Z28

The ZR-1 Motor lt-5 was DOHC the first ones 90-93 where 375hp and the 94-95 where 405hp.

tpivette89

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As if were not already....hahahahaha ZO6


i hope youre not implying that the Z06 is a DOHC motor. Just for the record, the only GM produced multivalve V8s are the LT5 (ZR1 Corvette), the Caddy Northstar, and the Aurora V8. thats it. the Z06 is just a hopped up version of the LS1

iroc22

the pre release 89 had 380hp, 90-92 had 375hp and 93-95 had 405hp