We have an Ottawa site that a few of us go on, AcceldZ, JohnnyIroc, myself...

Anyways, we talk about what cars we have, mods, races, what we've raced, we even challenge each other occasionally

Anyways, the co-ordinator of the site had the cops show up to his house threatening that he could be charged with soliciting for dangerous driving because of us challenging each other. Damn F&F street racing wannabe's
Anyways it's pretty sad when the cops have nothing better to do than harass people for what they're saying on the internet.
Street racing has existed since cars were born. I know cops that did it, i know cops that will still try to race. People have been racing hard since the sixties, so how come after F&F come out they're all **** about it now.

Cops can kizz my azz

 

It never occurred to me that BIG BROTHER might be watching...

us...

right...

now....

 

Big 'effin surprise- welcome to the new, uncontrolled 'security conscious' world.

I think in 20 years alot of people are going to look back (in the US in particular) and say- "Holy Sh#t Batman! I can't take a leak without my neighbours knowing that I shook left or right that morning."

Of course, encouraging yourself to be 'monitored' by going on and on about street racing in an open forum is probably NOT the smartest course of action either. Technically, this does seem to be 'encouraging' or 'promoting' what is technically illegal activity. You don't like the the law- get it changed, but don't bitch at the cops for doing what they've been ordered to do...

 

i would like to see it stick!!! last time i checked talking about racing was not "againt the law" thats like saying i am going to go out and speed tonight. they cant charge you for that... can they

 

Congrats boys you've been noticed.

I'm fairly sure there's nothing in the Highway Traffic Act that deals with soliciting.

Incomplete offences are usually in the Criminal Code. Did they say which section of the Code prescribes sanctions against "soliciting for dangerous driving" - I don't think so. More like conspiracy if anything.

Either way your conduct is probably not close enough to the offense to make it stick in Court - at least not at the Appeal level anyway.

What I 'd like to know is how they got your guys address - unless he posted it in which case he was asking for a visit.

If he didn't post his address then it means that the cops likely had to get a warrant to extract his address from the internet provider or the internet provider - or whatever - just went belly up and coughed the address.

 

Now they probably wouldn't ever be able to charge him with soliciting, but "RACING" is actually against the law. Plus cops did care if you were to rqace back in te 60's, but if you had a faster car you got away.

 

Did midnightruns come back or is this a new one?

Robin

 

Racing is now considered a 'crime' like careless driving or such- you can be charged under the Criminal Code and have your car impounded immediately.

That being the case, 'conspiring to commit a crime' and 'solicitation' could be applied. The actual, specific 'crime' itself is not relevant to solicitation or conspiracy charges. Of course- some common sense must apply- i.e. technically you could be charged under the same conditions for discussing smoking a dube with your buddies.

I think the point of the police visits is to point out to people that they should watch it- i.e. it is an educational endeavor more than a real criminal investigation.

 

Exactly, I think the cops should up to serve one purpose, to let them know that they're on the board somehow. Maybe they think after the mod spreading the word about their little vist that now they may know peoples names and in turn, this may shy a few people away from racing all together.

Oh and Robin.... Midnight Runs is dead. Redliners .ca lives on.

There's also Streetscene.ca and ottawaracers.com, there's more, but i can't remember them, there mostly all little whiny bitches in neons and such.

 

My street racing days are officially over. I got the mother of all tickets on Wednesday morning. I was going fast enough that they didn't actually give me a ticket. They just gave me a summons to appear in court.

As for redliners... they can't do anything.

 

johnyIROC
too bad man, did you get a pic?
how fast were you going... well you beter not say untill after the court. There mite be cops watching. lol

 

Not that the world turns on this but I looked at a 1999 Criminal Code today mostly because I had nothing else to do at work.

The only indexed reference that I found with respect to soliciting dealt with picking up Hookers - like when you stop your car and ask a female police officer how much etc.

You can be charged with conspiracy to commit both indictable offences and summary conviction offences. For the most part, offences are divided into these two categories and the difference is mainly in the lower tarrif and stremlined procedure associated with summary conviction.

On a charge of dangerous driving the Crown can proceed summarily or by indictment and as conspiracy applies to both types of offences you could theoretically be charged with conspiracy to commit the offence of dangerous driving - I'd say it's a bit of a stretch though because the section on conspracy deals with things like treason and so on and unless the Crown is a real a-hole he or she will know that there's not much chance of a win on this one - although you never know.

I found one reported case in Canada that dealt with conspiracy and dangerous driving. The Court found that the Durham Regional Cops had conspired to convict some guy of dangerous driving.

Mainly I see this as a harassment issue with good potential for abuse of process as they've obviously invested some time in you for which they may be required to produce results. However, my views are prejudiced by the fact that, when I was in High School, the York Regionals engaged in some novel educational exercises like bouncing your nose off the cruiser and taking you for a ride in the country and letting you walk home. Mandatory safety checks were popular too if you had a hot car - like every month you were getting it certified yet again.

On the other hand, if their conduct does not cross the so called line and prevents one of you guys from climbing a tree in the car then maybe it's for the best.

Sorry about the book. I'd still like to know how they got your moderator's name though.

 

Sorry guys... no pics of this one. I can scan the summons if you want

He nailed me at 126 in a 70 zone. The scary thing is that I didn't even realize I was speeding... I was just cruizing along on my way to work.

 

When you get handed the summons without a specified penalty- technically they can revoke your license and/or fine you an indeterminate amount of money.

You may want to get a lawyer or one of these 'COPS' -type organizations to help you out on this one.

I had the same problem a few years ago (51-over) but got it knocked down to a 40-over which was good for 4 demerit points and a $300.00 fine- but eliminated the possibility of having my license yanked.

 

I got tagged a few years back for "in excess of 150" in a 100. Got the summons thing, got the notice of a court date too.

Day for court rolls around and I slept in I called the court to se if I needed to be there to plead guilty and was told yes, because if I wasn't there'd they'd just set the date for the trial. Had the bailiff check to see if I'd been called yet, and my name didn't appear anywhere in the system

Maybe I just got lost, or maybe they coppers supervisor didn't believe a Chevette could go that fast

Either way, good luck on yer ticket. If you have a basically clean record, they can call it a careless and you'll lose 6-7 points and pay a big fine, and get to go for an interview at the D.O.T., but you should still have a licence when it's all over.

Arawn

edit: I don't think they can pull your licence just because there's no specified penality on the ticket. Getting busted for DUI you can still drive 24 hours later, and keep driving until the actual trial is over and the penality is decided by the Judge.

 

hay johnyIROC does this meen you will be changing your name to johnyIwalk. lol just kidding

can you still drive now?

 

Just so there's no misunderstanding:

Right now what it is is "just another ticket" i.e. drive all you want.

Once you go to court- penalties can include revoking your license (which is pretty much guaranteed if you already have 10 or more demerit points- then you can fight it out with the Ministry of Transportation in getting another one later). The severity of the offence is why it goes straight to a summons and not a flat-out ticket with a "pay this amount" on it.

 

Re: your speeding ticket.

The Law Society of Upper Canada has a referral programme within which they provide you with the name of lawyer in your area who handles whatever kind of legal problem it is that you're having at the time and who will give you a free half hour consultation with respect to same. The LSUC is at 143 Queen Street West in Toronto and their phone number is in the book. You don't have to retain the guy and it's good to find what you're looking at on this one.

As for the paralegals - Points, COPS etc. - I don't know much but I've heard that some of them guarantee to get your charge reduced or you don't pay them - what they do then if it's a no win case is get the Crown to reduce it by like two klix or something which makes no difference to the fine that you get but means that you still have to pay the paralegal because he got it reduced. Something to consider anyway but definetly talk to somebody who knows what they're doing.

 

I can still drive....

As of right now, I have zero points.... but in the past I have had enough points to get me a 2 hour drivers interview.

When I was in trouble the last time, I hired points.... paid them close to $500. After the trial they called me and said "Meh, it didn't work out for ya bud". So I paid the $400 ticket on top of that...

I will NEVER hire points again. I have no defence, I will just be as pathetic as possible, and try and convice them that I have been rehabilitated.

 

Can't speak for "Points" specifically- but if you hire this type of organization- the real key is that the specific agent/ex-cop who handles your 'case' has some sort of (good) history/relationship with the Crown Attorney/Crown Attorney's office.

They will never 'argue a case' they are a vehicle for negotiating a reduced charge- period- I don't care what they claim in their ads. You can go to the court/negotiations with them- this tends to have them 'perform' better on your behalf.

 

IIRC..if there is no dollar value on the SOT..that means there is no "out of court settlement". That is usually an indication of a serious offence or a CCC offence.