George re:tranny
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Daz:
Yeah, it was Chris I talked to.
It's going in on Monday - should be OK - was supposed to be today but I'm going to change the rad over the weekend.
Have to decide whether to get rid of that converter - probably be a good idea as it's been suspect before.
I was looking at a TKO swap there for awile but all that will have to wait - too much $.
George
Yeah, it was Chris I talked to.
It's going in on Monday - should be OK - was supposed to be today but I'm going to change the rad over the weekend.
Have to decide whether to get rid of that converter - probably be a good idea as it's been suspect before.
I was looking at a TKO swap there for awile but all that will have to wait - too much $.
George
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Daz:
Yeah, it was Chris I talked to.
It's going in on Monday - should be OK - was supposed to be today but I'm going to change the rad over the weekend.
Have to decide whether to get rid of that converter - probably be a good idea as it's been suspect before.
I was looking at a TKO swap there for awile but all that will have to wait - too much $.
George
Daz:
Yeah, it was Chris I talked to.
It's going in on Monday - should be OK - was supposed to be today but I'm going to change the rad over the weekend.
Have to decide whether to get rid of that converter - probably be a good idea as it's been suspect before.
I was looking at a TKO swap there for awile but all that will have to wait - too much $.
George
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Transmission: TH350C
Axle/Gears: 3:23
You might be right about the lockup converter being weaker although it was vibrating a bit behind the LG4 and at that time I thought it was the DS as the tranny had just been rebuilt. In fact the DS was bad but it's been rebuilt this year.
It's built TH350 though - should be stronger than a 700 - and more than enough for what I do. Fluid is good and it was shifting OK - something just broke. Could have been caused by the vibration.
TH350 was only ever suppose to be a stop gap until I could afford a Tremec although I thought the last rebuild would be bullet proof so I was thinking of leaving it as an automatic. Anyway, this too will pass..lol - maybe I should sell it and join LS1 crew over on nefourthgen..lol
I was at the Mosport GP Track last Monday but didn't run because of the vibration problem and it was raining so I f'ucked off back to TO. The tranny went out the next day so it would have failed for sure at the track resulting in a nice towing bill and who knows what else - so, things could have been worse.
It's built TH350 though - should be stronger than a 700 - and more than enough for what I do. Fluid is good and it was shifting OK - something just broke. Could have been caused by the vibration.
TH350 was only ever suppose to be a stop gap until I could afford a Tremec although I thought the last rebuild would be bullet proof so I was thinking of leaving it as an automatic. Anyway, this too will pass..lol - maybe I should sell it and join LS1 crew over on nefourthgen..lol
I was at the Mosport GP Track last Monday but didn't run because of the vibration problem and it was raining so I f'ucked off back to TO. The tranny went out the next day so it would have failed for sure at the track resulting in a nice towing bill and who knows what else - so, things could have been worse.
For anyone who's interested (I'm betting this topic doesn't come up alot around a 3rd gen. board). The TH-350C (lockup version) is slightly lighter/weaker than ALOT (not all) of the non-lockup TH-350s before 1981. The 350C is 'on par' with the V6-destined TH-350s - i.e. less frictions in the clutch pack and a slightly lighter casing. V8 TH-350's (non lockups again) were a slight bit heavier and had one extra friction in the clutch pack.
A TH-350C in stock form is slightly stronger than a 700-R4 in stock form ("700-R4"- by the time they were known as 4L60's and being put behind LT1's- this wouldn't necessarily be the case). I'm sure everyone likes to think "their" transmission- i.e. 700-R4's for thirdgen f-bodies- is a fantastic piece of work- but it's pretty low on the list for performance use/durability. Any TH-350/TH-350C, TH-400, TH-200-4R or 4L80E is buildable to be stronger than a "built" 700-R4 for the same, or less, money. Sure- let the flaming begin- but the 700 was not a great design- it was an 1980s quicky design (that improved after 1987) that GM flogged for too long before making more changes in the early 1990s- if you actually pull apart a TH-350C, a 200-4R and a 700-R4 side-by-side-by-side- the 700 uses all the worst elements/design features of the other two. Not trying to be funny- it's just the way it is/was. The TH-350C is not a bad unit- and if upgraded can be respectable. Although if you plan on beating the thing to death I'd suggest getting a $50.00 TH-350 V8 (non lockup) core and having it rebuilt/"built"- I have a tough time thinking any LG4 could kill a 350 if its not being maltreated (high speed neutral drops, switching from R to D while still moving, etc.) Don't know the current market rate on TH-350 rebuilds- but I'm betting you could get quite a respectable unit w/core charge done for somewhere around a grand plus the cost of a decent converter.
A TH-350C in stock form is slightly stronger than a 700-R4 in stock form ("700-R4"- by the time they were known as 4L60's and being put behind LT1's- this wouldn't necessarily be the case). I'm sure everyone likes to think "their" transmission- i.e. 700-R4's for thirdgen f-bodies- is a fantastic piece of work- but it's pretty low on the list for performance use/durability. Any TH-350/TH-350C, TH-400, TH-200-4R or 4L80E is buildable to be stronger than a "built" 700-R4 for the same, or less, money. Sure- let the flaming begin- but the 700 was not a great design- it was an 1980s quicky design (that improved after 1987) that GM flogged for too long before making more changes in the early 1990s- if you actually pull apart a TH-350C, a 200-4R and a 700-R4 side-by-side-by-side- the 700 uses all the worst elements/design features of the other two. Not trying to be funny- it's just the way it is/was. The TH-350C is not a bad unit- and if upgraded can be respectable. Although if you plan on beating the thing to death I'd suggest getting a $50.00 TH-350 V8 (non lockup) core and having it rebuilt/"built"- I have a tough time thinking any LG4 could kill a 350 if its not being maltreated (high speed neutral drops, switching from R to D while still moving, etc.) Don't know the current market rate on TH-350 rebuilds- but I'm betting you could get quite a respectable unit w/core charge done for somewhere around a grand plus the cost of a decent converter.
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Roller clutch was broken - it didn't like the new motor I guess.
Converter was balanced to w/in 4 grams so it's unlikely to have caused the vibration
It was running a bit hot with the old rad so I installed a new direct fit rad from Crap Tyre and a 160 stat thinking that would run about 180. I know that changing the stat doesn't necessarily fix cooling problems but sometimes it helps a bit. Now it's running too cool - have to put the 180 stat back in..lol
Converter was balanced to w/in 4 grams so it's unlikely to have caused the vibration

It was running a bit hot with the old rad so I installed a new direct fit rad from Crap Tyre and a 160 stat thinking that would run about 180. I know that changing the stat doesn't necessarily fix cooling problems but sometimes it helps a bit. Now it's running too cool - have to put the 180 stat back in..lol
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Re: George re:tranny
Originally posted by Daz
did you contact Bob about it?
did you contact Bob about it?
I talked to him when I took the car in on Monday and he's doing the work on it - seems really knowledgeable.
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did they check the lockup operation..Cause if its locking up at the wrong RPM(too low) or not releasing it would cause a vibration
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