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Old Sep 21, 2005 | 01:31 PM
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Torque Arm

Thought I'd post some pics of the adjustable torque arm and cross member I just fabricated.

The arm is from 0.156" 1025 steel DOM tubing.
Rear axle bracket from 0.25" plate.
Adjusting coupler (3/4") and solid rod ends from SW racecars.
Crossmember from 1.5"x2"x0.125" HSS.
Safety loop from 6" sch40 stainless pipe (0.28" thk).

I had it installed for this past weekend at Luskville, it didn't make a difference. I am suspecting that since the track was so bad it would be hard to tell.
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Old Sep 21, 2005 | 01:32 PM
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Old Sep 21, 2005 | 01:33 PM
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Old Sep 21, 2005 | 03:30 PM
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You spent how much time on that, how much money, you pay for Mobil 1 for your car(s)- and you left that muffler strap safety loop there?
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Old Sep 21, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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What?
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Old Sep 22, 2005 | 02:46 AM
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Your first pic- your safety loop looks like its made out of a rusted piece of leftover muffler hanger.
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Old Sep 22, 2005 | 07:26 AM
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I am sorry that you can't read.
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Old Sep 22, 2005 | 01:17 PM
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Notice the smiley in my first post ( )- I'm getting the idea your getting upset over this?
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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 07:07 AM
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No man, just thought you were serious...guess I should have painted it eh?

It took about 30hrs and about 6 zip cuts.
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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 09:44 AM
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Looks pretty good to me. Now you have to come back down here to teach me how to weld and fab up something like that. Bought a mig welder last week but have been so sick with some freakin' virus, I haven't even struck an arc with it yet.

I would hope it did make a difference but the bumpy track made it seem as it didn't. What did you set your pinion ange at?
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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 09:57 AM
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Ya, Luskville is brutal. The shutdown area is comparable to a gravel road. The track is pretty flat though. The launch area was unprepped, so unless you had slicks it was a joke!

I ran at Grand-bend once. You could dump the clutch at 4000 and not spin on street tires.

I had the pinion set at -2º form the driveshaft at ride-height.

Now it's time for at least drag radials with this and the 9-bolts(s).
I'm leaving about 1/2 second on the table during the first 60 feet.

Did you get a gas MIG?
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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Likely will have to play with the pinion angle a bit.

Yes I got gas and even hooked it all up. Argon/CO2 mix. Med tank. Think it's 5 cubic meteres. $55 lease for a year and $45 for every fill/exchange. Is that ok for a price or could I have done better? I know it's much better than the scammers over at BOC was offering. I have a long story to write about those ****** if I ever get the energy to type it out.
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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 10:25 AM
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That sounds about right for the gas.

I actually don't have a welder, borrowed one from a buddy. It used the Argon/CO2 mix as well, and 0.023" wire. He does mostly body work with it and helped with some of the welding as I didn't want to risk learning on a torque arm!

I can give you sketches of the brackets for the axle if you're up for fabbing one. The tubing is threaded directly (no inserts) for the 3/4-20 rod ends, one LH, one RH.
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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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I'm in no rush to put one together or even start one from scratch being as green as I am right now but wouldn't mind going after something like that after I get some experence. If you have some time later to put together a sketch, I and I'm sure others would make good use of it.
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Old Oct 4, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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Do you know the Argon/CO2 mix percentage? If i remeber it right from school the higher the CO2 the hotter the arc will burn.


Cool looking fab work I really need to spend the time doing that stuff myself.
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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 07:27 AM
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Hey thanks man,

I have no idea about the gas...
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 09:12 AM
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75/25 is the ratio. As far as I knew, which isn't much, all it did was provide a shield for the molten steel. What really sucks is I need a different tank of shielding gas for stainless and another one for allum.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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Yup, it basically keeps the air (Oxygen/Nitrogen) from the molten metal as it will absorb it very quickly and weaken it.

Same as the flux coating on a stick welding rod except in gas form.
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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Oh your running argoshield 25C..that should work for stainless,you just need the stainless wire and a different wire brush so you dont contaminate the steel.

When i was in school we used to experiment with different wire and covering gas mixtures to see the reaction of the arc.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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Nice Fabricating work Well Done
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 04:16 AM
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Hum… Looking at the pictures raises all sorts of questions…

- what dimension of the tubing is .156”, the wall thickness? What diameter is it?
- What bushings did you use?
- By “solid rod ends” I’m assuming that you mean the ones without the spherical bearings, right?
- Are they threaded right into the tube or did you use the weld in/on threaded ends?
- What did you end up with for an overall length?
- Do you have any more/better pictures of the setup?
- Now that you’ve had it for a year and a half, how is it working? Would you do anything differently?
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 10:50 AM
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This should clarify:
The arm is from 0.156" wall thickness x 1" OD (outside diameter) 1025 (steel grade, 0.25% carbon) steel DOM (drawn over mandrel) tubing. I bought 10ft and it was JUST enough.
Rear axle bracket from 0.25" plate.
Adjusting coupler (3/4") and solid rod ends from SW racecars
**Here are all the part number from SW including jam nuts etc
#40-235 [2x rod ends, solid means no spherical bearings, these things get locked solid and don't rotate, so spherical bearing make the joints weaker]
#65-120/65-121 jam nuts, LH and RH thread.
#65-1001 hex adjuster
#65-T750-L Left Hand Tap (for directly threading the tubing, ie no welding inserts)
#65-T750-R Right Hand Tap (for directly threading the tubing, ie no welding inserts) I remember the threads were a bitch to start, I had to drill the tube out to a slightly larger ID to start the taps using I think a 5/8 drill.
Total cost was $107.72 with shipping, parts are very good quality.
Bushings were polyurethane from Energy Suspension, I don't have the PN. They are right out of the catalogue and cost about $20. They came with a sleeve for 1/2" bolts you see and fit into the tubing welded to the cross member tightly. Use grade 8 fasteners. The stock long axle bolts work if you use thinner washers..

Overall I don't know how long it is, I made this this thing shorter to fit in with the T56 in there, so it depends on if you're using a shorter trans and wahat xmember etc. A few inches longer or shorter won't change much. I also would make another the exact same, no changes. I'm not sure how much a difference it made as after getting it to the track with the DR's the clutch was limiting my short times. I think it is fixed now, so I'll have to wait and see what it's like this year.
Take a look at what all the manufacturers are making their arms with..
SW has a nice simple one that I liked, almost the same as mine ended up.
Good luck with the fabrication.
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Old Mar 19, 2007 | 02:16 PM
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What did you end up making the sleeves for the bushings out of?
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