Guys,

I've read a few threads where they talk about a 383 getting you hot rod status.

Does anyone know of anyone who ACTUALLY did this and got the HR status?

I have to head back to the sniffer in 2 years and figure next summer maybe build that 383 -- if it will actually get you an exemption. Thx to the liar McGuinty it won't be long before you have to go to the sniffer evert year. (****cking politicians love this stuff it makes them feel like they are doing something).

So if you get HR exemption do you have to go back and prove it every time or do they leave you alone after that?

Next year I was planning on:

1) a total hipo build of the 350, big buck bottom end, AFRs, B&B, etc
2) leave motor alone but attach an ATI procharger (wahoo)
3) build something that will give me an HR exemption (383/400)

I would like to dispense with the emissions crap. My car is a 1990 and I would have had 3 years to go before permanent exemption -- but I understand that now from 1990 on you have to emissions test forever.

RP

 

1988 on is never exempt

 

I don't think a 383 gets you hotrod.
They look at the block numbers if they look at all.
There is no way to tell what is really inside there when they go to test it. Who's to say it really has a different than stock crank in there?

It has to be an engine not originally available from the factory in that year & model of car. Like a 350 in a 1986 camaro, or a 400 or a BB in a 3rd gen. I was told that an LT1 (SBII) wouldn't even fly in an 87 camaro for hotrod since it has the same displacement.

Just thinking... what if the block numbers got ground off during decking and somebody stamped some 400 or 327 ones on there...hhhmmmm

 

I think you should get some kind of award for the greatest idea ever..lol

 

I believe you have to prove it each time. some places aren't as concerned as others with making you prove hot rod status. An LS1 is only 346ci

 

When I went, I just told them it's not the original block and they said ok and tested it with hot rod status.

 

An emissions tester is your best friend after you make a case of beer his best friend.

 

Boy am I soo glad I don't have to deal with this emissions b*llsh*t anymore.

 

Geez.......at this rate I may have to buy an 87 shell, pull and swap the vin tags and register my 89 as an 87.

 

 

Depends on where you go. Like at the transpo ministry. My house is in between two of them. One in the east, one slight west of me. Whenever i buy i car, i go to the further one (west), because there are younger more "leniant" people there. They follow the rules at both places, except the people in the west actually tell you the answers. ie: Ok i cant register you, this is why, this is how you can resolve it, i can help you if u like.

People in the east go, NO your missing too many papers..... They are just douches.

SO. in ontario, you have all kinds of e-testers, find a "leniant" one, or a stupid one, and try to plead your case. You cant tell them about "numbers". The dealer will barely know what you mean, let alone these guys.

Also, the bling factor is also what is more convincing. ie: If you have a stock 454 in a thirdgen, and a dual carb 305 with tunnel ram sticking up out of the hood, the 305 will probably get the HR status easier than the 454.....

Just ask around, and see what u can find.....

 

Tell the tester it's a 327. 327's and 350's used the same 010 block.

 

Good thing you don`t live in the USA, California to be exact. `75 and older are smog exempt but everything else is a smog test every 2 years and they are thinking about changing it to every year! The state legislators can change the smog requirements if they want and require every car every year be smogged! Enjoy your lax smog laws, I am jealous.

 

i was actually thinking about getting an 87 shell and swapping the vin tags...how hard is that to do? how easy (or difficult) is it to get caught? then again, im highly considering doing an LS7 swap and im pretty sure those burn waaaay less then the gen I blocks...so perhaps there isnt even a point.

 

It would probably be easier to go south and buy a nice 82-87 rolling shell and swap all the parts off your 89 into the new car and title the new car. I've also thought long and hard about this. These cars are not rare or worth enough to risk swapping vins. An LSx swap is also a decent way around emissions.

 

mmgodlike, Before you consider swapping vin tags you might research the penalties. I learned the hard way in the early`70`s that vin numbers are on several locations on the car. A good way to get caught is if you happen to get in an accident and depending on the circumstances an investigator would probably find 2 different vin`s on your car and you would take the fall. Just had to warn you.

 

Do not swap the vin. Its a serious penalty. Because the vins are in several locations it leaves lots of loops. I know a guy who built a fake car, just by doin the vin swap, to claim the car was a higher model, and higher optioned, to make a cheap buck. Another fellow spent ALOT of money restoring it to original status because he beleived it was as such. A third fellow bought the car, and posted the vin on a website, to decode it.

A member on the board said, thats not possible, i have that vehicle in my back yard as a parts car.....

The owner at the time had to go through ALOT of trouble to clear his name. The original guy who swapped it, owed alot of money to any of his buyers, and he also faced some jail time.

The car had to be impounded, re-issued a vin from the state, deemed a kit car, and that made one less classic in the world.

Thats probably worse case scenario, but swapping vins creates a whole world of trouble for alot of people, just dont do it please. I would hate to end up with one of those cars in the future.

 

There are VIN stickers in the back bumper,rear quarter panels,doors(duh),fenders,front nose cover.Ive also seen them on the floor and under the windshield(inside metal part on the firewall)

 

ya, nevermind about swapping a vin...penalties seem quite steep...


just a note - if I were to swap vins, I would have certainly let a new owner know about it before they bought it lol.

 

So in Canada, the older a vehicle gets, the more likely it gets emissions tested? Dang, in Texas, emissions testing (for those that live in an area that requires emission testing) is no longer required once a car hits 25 years old. Which means I have 6 more years of emissions testing on my '88. Oh and BTW not all of the state requires emission testing. Just the metropolitan areas that have had issues with pollution and air advisories in the past. It is done on a county by county basis.

 

an older vehicle is not more likely to get tested - every vehicle in Ontario must be tested every 2 years. Vehicles that are 1987 and older no longer need to be tested (20 years old = no test), but they just changed that law, so any vehicle that isn't exempt now will never be exempt (so 1988 and newer will need to be tested forever).

 

Thanks for the clarification....

Was a little confused trhere for a bit....but that's OK...I stay that way anymore

 

Which is right up there with the $10,000 ticket for doing 90mph in a 60mph zone.

I am really getting sick of the left wing, lame azz, corrupt, vote buying government in this place.

 

you know what started all this ridiculousness - the fast and the furious. It glorified the street racing scene (by exaggerating it beyond anything that could ever happen), young people loved the movie, and all the old non-enthusiasts got all uptight in their panties about street racing...stupid movie should have never come out. The only thing you could hear on the news after that was every street racing incident that happened...they got more headlines and coverage than homicides and rapes, because it was all the rage at the time. I stand with the firm belief that if that movie was never made, non of this would be happening right now...