Im going from Tpi to a carb, what is going to happen to me when the emissions check comes to my area?

 

LIE TO THE TESTING SHOP [ THE MUFFLER MAN]LIKE I DID. I TOLD THEM I HAD A CADDY 307 IN MY 89 RS..AND I WAS TESTED AT 1980 LEVEL FOR EMMISIONS.

 

Lieing may or may not work. All of the shops i took it to said they verify with the block castings to ensure that it is infact what you say.

After your swap to carb you can still pass emmissions if you do the following:
-Pass the required emmision levels for that car for the tailpipe test
-Pass the visual inspection which requires the AIR system be in place, not there and you will fail.
- You must have a good cat converter
- The back brakes must hold the tires when in drive on the dyno

Or..you can do as said and try to lie your way through. If you do qualify as a HOTROD then the only emissions equip you need is a working gas cap, a cat is not required.
To qualify you car must NOT have been avilable with the engine you have in it. A 350 in a 305 car wont work. Different heads, cam etc gets you no where.
They also do not care that it is carb...all they're worried about is the displacement of the motor.

I have a 350 in a 305 car with a carb on it. No emmissions etc. I went to many shops and they all turned me down. The way i finally got around it was the shop put it down as a 355. Since they were only worried about displacement the computer accepted this. This was the only guy i could find to do it too.

I even failed the test for hotrod standards so im not sure if your gonna be able to do it for normal ones.

Anyway, ive just touched the surface of what your getting into. My first try would be the lying route, easiest and least hassle.

If you have some more questions let me know, you really want to make sure you can get it tested before you go ahead with the swap

Good luck
Jon

 

I have to e-test next year, and then my car will be 20 years old.... NEVER AGAIN!

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johnyIROC 1983 Z28
"5.0 is way too slow"

 

Well the 350 going into the car is of 1970 vintage. Will that help me out at all or do I still have to pass 1987 standards. And about the AIR injection? I can't keep that. How would I make it work? I'm keeping the carb, and the 350 runs extremely clean so should I really worry or what?

I'm totally clueless on this subject.

Dave

 

The "hot rod" exemption only applies if the engine was not an available option for the car's model year. A 350 was available in 87, so you'll have to pass the standards for that year.

82-85 3rd gens and 86 Firebird can get away with a 350 as a hot rod (in 86 the 350 was available for camaro's) because the v8 was the 305. The exemption is kinda stupid because a 2L chevette is a "hot rod" (came with a 1.9)

Your 70's vintage probably isn't set up to accept the smog gear, so you might have to swap parts from a newer engine.

Your best bet is to call the MTO's drive clean info number and ask them what you'll need to have for the test.

I have a carbed 82, and by tweaking the carb I squeezed it in under the limits. Look for a smaller shop (NOT a chain store like crappy tire or muffler man), they'll usually try and play with your carb a bit to get you through.

Arawn1

 

Arawn is right about the age thing. They really dont care how new or old it is, its still a 350.

I think your best bet is to go to a small shop and see what they can do for you. They may do as mine did and put it through as a "355" or 5.8 L engine. Otherwise i'd try telling some of the bigger chains that its a 400 sbc and should qualify as a hot-rod. They may be too lazy to look and you might get by.
Good luck, and let us know how you make out

Jon

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88 Camaro
350 w/vortec heads
Performer RPM intake (it does fit under the hood)
GM ZZ Roller Cam
650 Holley Vac. Secondaries.
700R4 w/vette servo, 2600 stall converter
3.70 9-bolt

 

Ok, guys, i got a 89 S-10 PIckup, i just started my 4.3 - 5.7 (350) V8 Swap.
Now when emmission times roll around is my truck going to be considered a hot rod?
I know it's not a thirdgen, but i did have a 87 camaro for a while.
Thnx Guys.
<-Camaro_Joe->

 

ok you have a 350 block, but what if you tell them you have a 400 crank. aka 383

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1992 Camaro Z28 L98 mint.
1997 K2500HD 6.5TD L65 my workhorse
1998 Yamaha WR400F ultimate woods weapon!
1988 Yamaha FZ750 the classic sport tourer
1985 Yamaha RZ500 V4 500cc 2-stroke....need I say more.
1999 Ski-doo MXZ600 ah...winter. What do you expect, after all I come from the land of the ice and snow where the harsh winds blow!

 

Exactly. A 350 blocked bored and strocked to a 383 will still have the original 350 serial # stamped on the back right? So how can they prove I didn't drop a 400 crank and change the displacement? They can't unless they take the engine apart, which they can't so they would have to take my word for it right?

Dave

 

The s-10 should be fine since that engine was never offered in it

As for the 383, give it a try. Some guys will probably be stupid about it and tell you "We just go by the block" and not want to even touch it. These people have alot of money into these machines and dont want to lose them.
Argue your point and im sure someone will put you through, its just a matter of finding them


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88 Camaro
350 w/vortec heads
Performer RPM intake (it does fit under the hood)
GM ZZ Roller Cam
650 Holley Vac. Secondaries.
700R4 w/vette servo, 2600 stall converter
3.70 9-bolt

 

You could always register the car in a non emissions testing area. This applies to people with cottages or chalets well north of Barrie. They don't test up there - yet. If I had to get the GTA tested with all of the changes made over the years, I'd be screwed.

Thanks for the input on the 383/hot rod displacement argument. That goes in next.

 

Right now I'm about 30min south of Ottawa, and they don't have it yet. I'm also not in the same township Ottawa is, I'm in the country, so hopefully I have a couple years.

Dave

Thanks for your input guys!

 

Best thing is to get in touch with the Ministry before you go for the E-test.
Get them to clairify the law. It's very grey.
But a tampered with, stock appearing
engine won't get you thru. Be advised that
althou the E-test doesn't look for a Cat,
The EPA Act, requires all vehicles that were equipped with a cat from the factory have it
or a replacement installed and functional.
If they catch you in a roadside Smog Patrol,
they can pull your plate till its fixed and or fine you. That would be all Fbodys from 1975 and up..... When I spoke to the ministry
they said that if I ran into a problem , to call the ministry as they have the final say.
Their intent is to have all cars 20yrs and newer at least pass a 1980 standard.

 

My convertible was not available from the factory with a 5.7. So if I put a 5.7 in it would it then be considered a hot rod? My guess is no.

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1990 Iroc convertible,305 tpi,Black with black leather interior,lowered,Taylor 8mm wires,K&N's,gutted airbox

 

They dont consider it a hot rod, but if you swap a different engine in your car other than whut was installed from the factory, they will test your car during an emmission test as a hot rod at the 1980 standards... Pretty much any car will pass at the 1980 standards unless u have something really bad wrong... Such as, blown head gasket, extremely bad rings, or seals, etc...

 

No To be a legal "hot Rod" it must be a complete motor swap from another car.
eg:A Pontiac Big Block 455 from a 1973 Grand Prix Or a 327 ci small block Chev from a 1968 chevelle. If you just replace a 305 TPI with a 5.7, you would still have to pass for a 1990 TPI motor. and all emissions equipment would have to be functunal. EGR, AIR, EFE etc. It is up to you to document rhe source of the swap motor to their satisfaction. Thats the way the law is written (you can download the whole act off the net) how they enforce it may vary.

 

Legally in 1986 the camaro didn't have a 350 as an OPTION. You couldn't walk into a dealership and say I want a 86 IROC-Z wiht a 350. They were only made in limited production (50) and not for resale to the general public as far as I know. My car is classified as a hot rod and it only has a 350 but since its an 86 they considered the 86's to now have a 350 as an option so I got the hotrod classification (and barely squeeked by that test).

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Karsten
86 IROC-ZZ4... too much to list.

 

Do you still have a copy of your test? I'd like to know what the 1980 standards are
for HC CO NOX. My car has to meet these specs
when I get it tested.