We'll see what she makes when I get through.

And yea, there's PLENTY of torque there!

 

I have to say i disagree with you dannyt. Im building a similar setup, and Im expectin low 12's and high 11's after all the bugs are worked out. First of all I checked your sig, and you should be making way more then 283 horsepower. Something is not right if thats all your making.Those afr's will really flow. I think you should definitley have more torque also. But back to the issue here.

I can bet since mike already raced a zo6, and beat it, (which may I remind you is a mid 12 second car), Id say He is definitley in the 12's. Look at mike crews, hes running low 12's now. The only thing holding mike back is the tpi runners and plenum. But Alot of people like how it looks and how it performs. Also he has a six speed. That will make or break his times. With alot of suspension work done to his car, the right gears, and the right tires, and even more tuning, IMO hes close to 11's. But as far as the horsepower goes here are my guesses:

330RWHP
385RWTQ

Which is alot!!!!

Just my 2 cents,, how do u like my new sig?????

 

DannyT - not flaming on you or anything, but the joke is that your combo is only making what it currently is. Your combo "should" make ALOT more than what it is currently. There is something wrong and should be looked into. Maybe it's your tranny. But I wouldnt give up on it making those numbers that yours currently makes, get your money's worth out of it.

My motor - my heads came off of a motor that made 508 hp / 514 tq on the engine dyno. I have the heads from that motor and the rest of my combo besides mines fuel injected, is pretty similar. Yes, I do know that my intake is restricting my motor's potential from being anywhere even close to that. But, I'm pretty confident that is pushes over 400 at the flywheel and I wont lose all that much through my 6-speed.

11's are VERY feasible. I've beat a few mid - low 12 second cars. It doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not. When I get arround to it on my own time and dime, I WILL post the results from the dyno and from the track (whether they are good or poor results).

If you want to fund my project, then on paper results will come as fast as your money does. But for right now, I'm doing what I can.

Cheers,

Mike (1bad91Z)

 

 

Hey guys, Iknow its WAY off the topic but can anyone tell me how to put my sig picture, In my signature??? Is there a code or soemthing??? LEt me know! thanks guys..


IROCZMAN380

 

Hey guys, I noticed that Dannyt's sig mentioned the dyno numbers were his old setup:
283 HP/367 FT-LBS @ the rear wheels (old setup). Just my .02 worth.

You can write your signature by clicking the "user cp" button towards the top of your screen and using the tools that you'll find there.

 

Thank you for being the only one smart enough to read the two extra words (old setup) in my sig.
I ran a best of 13.3 @ 106 with a 2.04 60ft with that setup: Same engine(383), heads and cam but stock TB, runners & mildly ported plenum. That is where the dyno numbers came from. My MSD was cutting out at the time so I think the numbers could have been higher BUT that is the best that I could get on paper.
I've only taken it to the track once with the SuperRam and my best now is 13.22 @ 109 with a 2.22 60ft on a 90º day. If I were to "guess" what power I'm making then I would say about 330RWHP and 400-415RWTQ (assuming a 20% drivetrain loss). Based on my trap speeds it is easily a mid 12 second car with drag radials.


1bad91Z: You will still lose 15% from the motor to the wheels.
Z06s are mid-low 12s with good drivers, I've also seen them run low 13s. Either way your car will not run 11s with what you have on it. I've been to the track too many times and have been around 3rd gens long enough to know what they are capable of. As you can tell I also get irritated at people that do all these mods to their car and claim high HP numbers and low ETs and they have never been to the track or dyno before.

 

DannyT - Have you read any of the 600 + posts in Mike Crews' topic (Vortec 383 dyno results and questions) in the After market product review forum? He is running 12.20's with less than 300 rwhp. Even though he has 28 more cubes than I, I still have way more motor, my car is over 400 lbs. lighter than his, and I'll lose less power through my tranny than he does. So, if you still think my car wont break into the 11's (especially at Houston Raceway Park which is damn near sea level), then "ya betta aks some body"!

 

I think this all comes down to one thing ... bench racing. If you claim to be putting down 350rwhp then you should definitely have something of your own to back it up. I see no timeslips and no dyno. Nothing. Nada. Honestly - you can claim whatever you want to claim - but be prepared to put-up or shut-up or make a joke out of it when someone calls you on it. I've known MANY people who think their car has a lot of horsepower because they beat other cars in races on the street. Heck - just look at the import crowd because they claim things like that ALL of the time. Later on they become disappointed in their dyno or 1/4 mile times. I am not saying your car doesn't make those numbers ... I'm just saying prove it -- because very very few naturally aspirated thirdgen 350ci motors with the long runner setup will put down that much horsepower (which means that it's very rare to see one in the 11's). Heads/Cam siamesed naturally aspirated TPI 350ci setups tend to put down around 300rwhp ... and that is on a good tune. Add a StealthRam and watch that number jump up to close to ~340 on a good tune Add a MiniRam and it will jump up close to ~360 on a good tune.

... all of those intakes are capable of 11's and I've personally seen it done. The most difficult to get into the 11's is the TPI because you need to take advantage of every ounce of torque it puts down or else you'll run flat on the back half of the track.

Tim

 

In due time I'll back up everyone of my "claims" on paper. Hell, I'll even post the video if I can borrow my buddy's digi-camcorder. I've just been trying to help people build out a healthy combo and make those type of results with a naturally aspirated LTR TPI intake for ALOT less money than any AFR/Super-ram/mini-ram etc... combos, which are everywhere nowadays. It IS possible AND probable. The vortec/xr276hr-12 combo that I've been "preaching" about WILL make those results and when I get arround to posting them, maybe then the "non believers" will give props.

"don't be hatin' "

Peace out!

 

I'm with Tim on this one. Bench racing is weak sauce.

Nobody is denying that you have a decent setup and we aren't hating on you at all. It just gets really old hearing about what your car runs or how much HP you have when you really have no idea because you have nothing to back it up. I really don't see how you have "way more motor" than Mike Crews has considering the fact that he has a 383.
According to his sig he is running 12.39 @ 108.5MPH with a 1.66 60ft.
Do you really think you'll pull better than a 1.66 60ft and .4 better in the 1/4 with a 6-speed and almost the same amount of power?

 

First Of all Hes not making any "hardcore claims" hes just guessing by the cars hes raced so dont get all worked up aobut it.

I dont know if 1bad91z really has "way more motor" Id say he has a bit more motor

1- hes got a bit more cam (xr269hr VS xr276hr)
2. Long Tube Headers
3. More porting on the intake and etc.

But Id say mike crews makes up for that with those extra 28 cubes.

I dont know about a 355 making 350rwhp with the ltr setup, But I do think that 11's are possible. Even if its an 11.9999999
its still an 11. If you guys dont think 11's are possible with the ltr setup then think again. Because if 1bad91z doesnt do it, then I will. Im getting close to dropping my 383 in, now that its pretty much done being assembled. And Trust me I WILL pos times and dynos. And even if its a 14.0 Ill post it. But Iam no giver upper, So Until I crack 11.9999 I will not be done F***ing with my car. AND I hope Mike (1bad91z) will do the same. But It sure isnt going to be easy with that 355.

Impossible---No
Unlikely-------Yes
Can it be done----YES

Hopefully you guys get what im sayin here.

just my 2 pennies.

IROCZMAN380

 

This is higher up in this same thread.
Don't know if that is a "hardcore claim" but it sounds like someone that has proof.

 

Can you read? I said ...

"all of those intakes are capable of 11's and I've personally seen it done."

... and that was with 350ci motors - not the 383 that you will be running. So, you have even a BETTER chance of doing it. OF COURSE LTR 350ci naturally aspirated setups can run 11's. Been there, done that. There's no argument about that. It's just very rare ... and not many people do it (unless they cheat and gut their car to reduce as much weight as possible and never tell anyone about it).

... and yet again I'll say: "The longer and more elaborate the signature - the slower the car."

Tim

 

DannyT - you're probably just pissed that your Super-ram 383 with AFR heads only runs 13's. I'd be pissed too !

The extra cubes of stroking the motor WILL make a "few" hp over what it would make if not stroked, BUT it's mostly going to make more torque.

Mike Crews has an AWESOME combo and IS proving what I'm trying to tell you guys!

More motor - Yes, I have a bigger cam and more intake work than he. But, you guys are also forgetting that I have a STAGE III port package on my heads (I'm not going to get into flow numbers right now cause I'm tired of disputing this childish thread). He also has shorty headers (I have long tubes). And I also have a little more compression.

Times - yes I do think I'll break his times by at least .4 of a sec. Read the above and my car is 400 + lb.s lighter than his. And no, my car is not gutted at all (see pics here

Stupid long signature comment - I list everything in my signature because I have nothing to hide! There's what I got, "***** out"!

I'm done,
Later

 

Mike,

I read this post over a few times, and then I had to go back and skim the 4 page Mike Crews post again. Since I haven't really been going back and forth with you like the other guys have, consider me an "outside observer." After reading your comments, and being pretty much neutral, I'm thinking...

How do you have more intake work? You guys have different runners, that is the only difference I can see. The fact that the SLP runners require extensive porting to work well doesn't give them any advantage over the runners Crews is using.

You say you have Stage III vortecs, I guess compared to the heads Crews is using. Stage III doesn't mean much to me without some numbers. Crews states his heads are pocket ported with spring and valve upgrades. So, according to what I am reading, you're both running modified/ported vortecs.

So what I see is his extra 28 cubic inches vs. your larger cam and long tubes.

I'm not trying to offend you. But unless I skipped over some info somewhere, I'm not seeing how you have more motor. At least, not without some hard data.

 

Would you post the flow numbers? Im not doubting that they flow good, Im just curious.

 

I just want to put my 2 cents in here. I have the comp cams xtreme grind 224/230 dur and 503/510''. AFR 195's, long tubes, 3200 coan converter, 10.5/1 compression, 6'' rods, 51 1/2mm tb(ported stock ) siamesed plenum to 1/2 siamesed SLP runners with a port matched Edelbrock base.

Not been to a 1/4 track since the motor has been tuned, but am running 7.7's to 7.9's pretty consitantly in the 1/8 now. at around 87-88 and change mph. This is low 12's....maybe on a great day high 11's.

On the dyno I make VERY VERY close to 300hp at the wheels at 5400 and over 400 TQ below 3000rpm. Also note at 6000rpm still making over 280 at the wheels. I think 1bad91z will be around these numbers also. Maybe a little more with a 6 speed as I am losing some with my large stall.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMEONE WITH 350hp at the wheels with TPI I just do not know if it will happen.

I LOVE TPI, BUT HAVE ANOTHER INTAKE ON THE WAY NOW. I am tired of getting pulled on the big end.


thread content: check my parts for a 350hp TPI 350


Chris

 

roflmfa. Ok. I guess I'll change my signature to the following and suck up space. Woo! ...

... it's still gay - IMHO. All you have to do is provide a link to your thirdgen reader's ride. It's that easy. It has nothing to do with hiding stuff.

Tim
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Stock GM shortblock, AFR 190cc Aluminum Cylinder Heads (60cc Chambers, 7/16" studs, Further Porting by Advanced Valve (278cfm / 230cfm @ 0.600"), Lethal EFI Custom Cam by Joe Overton, Comp Cams 987 Springs, Comp Cams Titanium 10º Retainers, Viton Valve Seals, AFR HydraRev Kit, Trick Flow Chromoly 7.200" pushrods, Competition Cams Pro-Magnum Roller Rockers, Competition Cams 'R' Lifters, Coyes Hex-A-Just Double Roller Timing Chain, 30lb SVO Injectors, TPIS AFPR, Walbro 255ltr/hr fuel pump, Fluidampr Harmonic Balancer, Random Technology Ram-Air, Gutted Airbox with K&Ns, BBK 58mm TB, TPIS MiniRam II, Custom Fuel Lines for MiniRam, PBM 2000d Coated Hooker Long Tube SuperComp 1-3/4" headers and Mufflex Y-pipe, Flowmaster Force II 3" Catback, Dynomax UltraFlo welded muffler, Genuine GM 3.73 Gears, Auburn PRO Limited Slip Differential, LPW Ultimate Aluminum Rearend Girdle, LPW Axle Tube Brace Kit, Denny's 3" N2O ready shaft (w/ 1350 10-bolt pinion yoke), Precision Industries Vigilante 3600 stall Torque Converter,
B&M SFI Approved Flexplate, B&M Shift Kit, B&M Auxiliary Remote Mount tranny filter, B&M Auxiliary 24,000GVW SuperCooler, B&M Console Megashifter, GM Corvette Servo, GM 0.500/0.296 TV Boost/Intermediate Boost Valve, Derale Starfire Tranny pan, Global West VaraTrac LCA Relocation Brackets, Global West Spherical Bearing / Del-A-Lum Bushing LCAs, Global West Spherical Bearing fully adjustable panhard rod, Global West TS-14 Steering Box Brace, Alston Chassis Welded Subframe connectors, Hotchkis Strut Tower Brace, Sandblasted and Powdercoated stock 36mm Front and 24mm Rear swaybars, Energy Suspension polyurethane swaybar bushings and endlinks, Energy Suspension polyurethane tranny mount, Energy Suspension Engine Mounts, Air Lift airbags in rear springs, Earl's braided SS brake lines, 1LE front brakes, Custom PROM, V6 Intake Bellows with Relocated MAT sensor, Patented Mike D Coffee Can Intake mod, Edelbrock Hi-Flow Water Pump, March Power & Amp 3-Piece Aluminum underdrive pullies, Comp Cams Billet 3-Piece timing cover, MSD 6AL Ignition, MSD SuperCoil, MSD 8.5 wires, MFY Centerbolt Wire looms, Moroso Billet Aluminum Valve Covers, CSI High torque MiniStarter, Dual 2" A-Pillar guage pod with: Intellitronix Air/Fuel Ratio guage and Intellitronix Fuel Pressure Guage, !TB Coolant (Chopped IAC Cover), !AIR, !AC, !Cats, !EGR, !Cruise Control, !Charcoal Canister

 

Hey Trax, Can you read???

First off I said, If you GUYS dont think it can be done then think again. I didnt say Traxion.

Secondly, you almost repeated what I said, Yes it is possible to Run an in the 11's with an ltr 350, but Its very hard to do.
I said in my post it was unlikely, to do but possible, Which is basically what you repeated in your post.

Thirdly-- We all know you have a mean *** car Trax, But you know as well as I do that sigs, dont have Jack Sh*t to do with anything. If we took your word for it then, how come theres so many people with no sigs, that run 15's?? If youd like I could dig up 10 people on here with long-a** sigs that are running 9's. You have an entire web page for a sig, Id say thats one hell of a sig. Not everyone has a website, and the sig helps distinguish the person within thirdgen.org. Not to mention how many times, Ive seen a person post an 11 second quarter mile time on here, or a 500 horse dynosheet, and then not have a sig to look at. A sig is helpful to others if your car is fast, because then they can look at your timeslips, and see what parts you used to make it happen.

 

Yeah , that sig is way too long! You don't need that much. I would
just post a link to your own personal webspace, or your reader's ride. But that's just my opinion. You can do what you want!

 

Most of the time ... yes. Sometime I can't -- like when I have too much alcohol, or when I'm doing the nasty, or when I'm mowing the lawn

Word. Point taken. I interpreted as 'you guys' to mean DannyT and Me.

Word. Point taken

Ya. Very True. I just used this an excuse to pick on a pet peave of mine. I hate it when I see huge sigs for V6 cars where they proudly announce their 'curb feelers' and 'splitfire spark plugs'.

Eh - I'll call you on this one. It's a website - not a sig. Big difference. If people WANT to know more about my car then they can visit. Otherwise - they don't have to see anything ... or wade through the 'special curb feelers' modification that somebody thinks is important enough to mention.

That's where you ARE wrong. The reader's rides section at TGO allows everyone here to have a webpage. It's free. You can post all your mods, post pictures, etc.

Very true. I just don't see how 'curb feelers' is worth mentioning

Tim

 

It's a post of irony. It's not my normal sig. If it were my normal sig then I would hope that somebody would tie me up and feed me cockroaches until I agreed to change it. My normal sig is what is attached to every other post I made.

Tim

 

Oh, I see.

 

I have no reason to be pissed. The best I have ran at the track is a 13.2 because I wanted to see what it runs in 100% street form down to 35 psi in my rear tires (275-35-18s). My best 60ft with current setup is 2.22. If I was cutting 1.6 60fts then I would be running about a 12.3. Since I haven't then I won't post that my car will run those times. That is my only point in this thread.

Unlike you and your sidekick iroczman380 I only post times and dyno numbers that I have proof of. At least you actually have the motor up and running in your car, you just need to prove what it runs. According to iroczman380 his car is as fast if not faster than yours and he hasn't even built the motor yet!

 

If you had read a few of his earlier replies then you would have realized that Tim was kidding. His sig is only a link to his site.

 

Yeah, I know now. Thanks.

I checked out the website there. Very nice! I'm hoping to
push around 300rwhp, 340rwtrq by next summer. Hoping
for low 13s. But I will be running a 6 speed in place of my auto.

 

Hey bud, Please tell me where I said that My car was faster then mikes?????????
All I said is that if (1bad91z) cant crack an 11, then I will. I didnt say I have, I didnt say my car was faster, hell I didnt even say it was fast. Simply put, Your just blowing smoke.

And just to let you know, You should be in the mid 11's with Almost any setup, topped off with afrs. Did you not see there last package---
383ci
afr 190's
9.5-1 compression
AFR Flopower RPM manifold #5029
Holley 750-#4779
Comp Cams HDRoller Cam 12-433-8-(big cam)
MsD Distributor@36 degree timing
93 octane=

a whopping 503 horsepower and 517 ft lbs thats good for over 400rwhp. That is good for 11's in a 3rdgen.

Im sorry to break it to ya man But if I made 283 horse with that setup I wouldnt post it. Thats almost emberrasing. Traxion Is running close to your setup and is putting down almost 370rwhp!!!

You need to reevalutate your setup, and back up your comments. Dont post things that are completely untrue and out of line.

You said, that the 283 horse was your old setup,,, so wheres the numers for your new setup (horsepower wise)???

The reason your pulling 2.2 60's probably isnt even traction related, Probably more like driver, and motor related!!! Heck the torque your motor is making now is less then my friends l98 (nearly stock). And I can post the dyno sheets. Can you post yours,, Id like to see them.


IROCZMAN380

 

I haven't dynoed my car with SyperRam yet because I just got it back together recently. As I said before I know I have more power than that BUT that is all that I have on paper. Tim HAS dynoed his car with his current setup which is completely different than mine BTW. Minirams are known for their high HP numbers. I don't expect to put out that much however my torque numbers will be noticeably higher than his.

As far as mid 11s with AFRs.....that isn't just a bolt-on and go. Most of the cars with those heads on here are still in the 12s (low 12s) with drag radials/slicks and a stall converter (neither of which I have). 11s requires a fairly decent amount of tuning with matched components.

You can't really compare my setup (or any TPI setup) to the one you mentioned because it has a carb. Apples and oranges man.

Your comment on my 60ft times just proves your ignorance. I can break traction at 50MPH on dry pavement (not chirp either) because of all of my low-mid range power. Combine that with my very low profile tires in the rear and it makes it very difficult to hook off the line.

Oh and please post that dyno sheet from a "nearly stock L98"

 

503hp is flywheel horsepower -- equivalent to ~400rwhp (20% loss) in an automatic ... possibly LESS if you are running a high stall torque converter with less efficiency. And that was with a 383ci motor. Put a 350ci under it and it becomes VERY clear that getting 400rwhp is not an easy task. This again is rare. In fact - I don't know anyhow here at TGO who has posted a 400rwhp dyno chart for a naturally aspirated 350ci motor in a thirdgen. There's a reason for that - it's not easy to do.

My setup and Danny's setup are incredibly different. They aren't similar. I have a big cam, a MiniRam, PORTED AFR190s, and Long Tubes. His setup (at the time of dynoing) was LTRs, much much smaller cam (212 as compared to my 230!), box-stock AFRs, and small primary shorty headers. Our setups are totally different.

A 2.2 60ft with Danny's setup is definitely traction related. He has more torque than mine and I was pulling 1.7x 60fts all day long. His setup is capable of high 1.6's to low 1.7's if he were running sticky tires. That's an automatic 0.9 second drop in the 1/4 mile (0.15 for each 0.10 gained in the first 60ft -- which I have proven in previous posts).

... and actually guyz I have NOT dynoed my car with my current setup The 364rwhp was with a cam that I had picked as a dual purpose cam (NA and SuperCharger). However, I sold all my supercharger parts and am staying NA. My new cam is a custom Joe Overton Lethal EFI Performance cam that should give me substantially more power. 364 at the rear wheels is weak - lol - j/k. I'm looking for 380+ at the rear wheels with SUBSTANTIALLY more torque. With my automatic and 3600 stall converter (assume big drivetrain loss) I am looking at close to 500 at the crank ... with a stock L98 bottom end 350ci naturally aspirated motor. Now THERE is some bench racing for ya :lala: I think that people will be incredibly surprised once I post the new dyno chart. This cam has some freaky non-efi characteristics that will push the power up nicely. Good thing I can tune PROMs because if I couldn't then I wouldn't be able to run this cam. I WANT to list the specs on the cam -- but I am not allowed. That was Joe's request. He'd grind me a cam but I had to promise not to tell anyone the specs. If you want info on what Joe's cams can do then ...

http://www.ls1tech.com/threads/showf...5&o=31&fpart=1
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=142551

The only reason that I got caught up in this post to begin with was that statement about getting 350rwhp from a LTR setup. I wanted to see the proof. I wanted to see that dyno chart. Why? Because I've yet to see a 350rwhp dyno from a NA 350ci LTR motor. I didn't believe it and I was hoping that somebody would prove me wrong (yes - I wanted somebody to prove me wrong because I'd really like to see someone do it). I actually think that it's possible ... but definitely not probable.

Tim

 

Traxion, who ported your AFRs? Hand or CNC?

 

A local guy by hand.

Tim

 

Excellent post Tim.

 

Dont want to disclose the cam specs eh?

I think you all will be "incredibly surprised" with the results my motor is making too!

And, I am getting closer to taking the car down to have it dyno'd. Still have a few wierd things going on in the PROM and it's frustrating, but hopefully I'll have it corrected soon. I plan on video taping it if I can (for the non-believers).

 

I guess you didn't read my post. I said that I want to disclose them. I am not allowed. Period. For you information Joe Overton has the fastest NA LT1 in the country. Understand? The fastest in the country. He competes and he doesn't want his competitors to know the ideas and technology he uses. Geeez.

Mmmmmm - I love bench racing. Not. Do you have ANY dyno graphs at all? I don't think I'll be incredibly surprised by your setup at all. Like I said - been there, done that. I ran 12.5's@109mph with ZERO PROM tuning on an LTR setup. No siamesing either. That setup would have easily gone low low 12's. It only had 300rwhp. Like I said - I won't be surprised at all by your setup. You have a manual so we might see closer to 320 out of it. But, that's not surprising or new.

If you surprise me then I'll post that I am surprised and eat my words. But - I doubt it. What do I have to be surprised about? You're using a regular CC X Cam, with a SS-LTR setup, on top of some nice heads. Nothing new there. This type of combo has been dyno tested over and over again.

Tim

 

Click for my most recent timeslip

 

1bad91z, what are the flow specs on your heads?

 

91Z - It's obvious that your going to keep up the "shoulda, woulda, coulda" and it doesn't look like I'm the only one tired of "hearing" it. It's also funny that you mention *****, since you haven't even run the car down the track. That pop shot aside, I'd love to see you put down the numbers you've ESTIMATED. I think the main problem is you're "preaching" and don't know the gospil (track times or dyno results). Add to that without others knowing how much work was done to the heads, and how well they SHOULD work on your application,, there is no way to know if you've got a chance at putting down the numbers. No one knows if you're estimating on wishful thinking, or the worst form of bench racing, comparing other's similar builds that you THINK are a lesser build to yours. There's just so much more to a good engine build than the list of parts.

You're going to continue to get crap untill you finally take the car to the track or dyno,,,, or at the least come off the flow numbers, runner volume, min. cross-sectional area of these "Stage III" heads. If you don't know these things,,, you could give details on the 508HP mystery motor the heads were on. Then those of us that have built a few engine/cars with actually track and dyno experience will be able to tell if you have a snowballs chance at your ESTIMATED numbers. If you don't want to do it,, then you might want to refrain from "helping" someone spend their hard earned money on an unproven combination. Can they even duplicate it???? Have you already said who ported these "Stage III" heads and how much it would cost someone else to buy them?

 

Now THAT is what I am really getting at. Someone asked for 350rwhp and 1bad91z answered with his combo without knowing what it really puts down. Very well put. Let's get back to the reason for this post.

Tim

 

LOL @ Traxion and his sig that is just too funny i printed out this post and showed everybody at work LOL!!!



And i completelly disagree on that TPI cant make 400 RWHP! Yeah just look i havnt built my motor yet but desktop dyno shows over 450 flywheel horsepower with my 250 duration cam! woohooo! see you are ALL WRONG I WIN ah hahaha.

And look if i change it to roller i gain another 50 horsepower across the board! WOOT!

EDIT: Aw crap i just realized I had the nitrous set to a 400Shot! oh well.

 

Oh iroczman380's motor is built, and waiting for some RR's. And it should be a force to rekin with if can find the traction.



GL with the install iroczman380

 

Hey kingman,, you know your pretty funny, maybe you could do standup comedy. Why dont you post some info on your Bad-*** car So we can really get a lauph.


IROCZMAN380

 

Real nice and mature, i think my processor is overheating due to all the flames!

relax man that post was not directed at you or anyone on this board.

<b>The only reason that I got caught up in this post to begin with was that statement about getting 350rwhp from a LTR setup. I wanted to see the proof. I wanted to see that dyno chart. Why? Because I've yet to see a 350rwhp dyno from a NA 350ci LTR motor.</b>

Traxion's and my reasons were identical. I have never seen it done with TPI, thats why i have that huge shot of nitrous under the manifold and am bolting on a D-1SC this weekend.

I didnt come here to start a war. and if you want pictures check my site its updated once every year or so... give or take a few months at a time

and good luck with your engine

 

Hey ,, I didnt know, I thought you were trying to be a smart ***
Well Just for the record,, why does everyone keep saying, " Ive never seen a 350 Ltr setup making 350rwhp??? Whens the last time someone made 350rwhp with a 383 LTR??? I dont remember it happening. But really Im not building my motor for horsepower. Im building it for speed. My goal is to crack the 11's with a very streetable car. If i can do that with 100rwhp then thats just fine with me.

Im DEFINTLEY NOT MAKING ANY CLAIMS WHATSOEVER,,

but From what ive seen and etc..

I think Ill be in the area of 310RWHP and 400RWT.
could be less, but that is just a guess thats it, so lets not start a whole nother war. But I GUARANTEE within the next month I will post a dyno sheet and track times.

I cant wait to get this thing running!!!!!

IROCZMAN380

 

I'm not trying to offend, but just try to chill for a while. You're starting to forget that we're all just here to make each other's thirdgen's better. Don't get into a stupid war. Just try to find the truth (if the combo makes what you want) and forget the fighting.

Trax and Danny T made really good points and all they seem to get back are personal attacks. Questioing what their cars are or are not putting out doesn't solve the issue at hand. Their experience, nor their cars, should not be in question. The guy who posted wanted real results and was given conjecture, which may or may not turn out to be true. Do your tests and see what you get, then report. Then debate that.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this anyway....

 

<b> If i can do that with 100rwhp then thats just fine with me. </b>

First off I KNOW you dont mean your going to try to do it with 100 horsepower..

But i just want to point out one simple small physics fact.

the definition, by rights, of horsepower, is simply:


EDITED (because im a moron somtimes): 33,000 lbs. moved 1 Foot in 1 minute.

So if your, oh i dont know, running a 1/4 mile.... follow?
You need to be aware that horsepower is directly.. no wait..
<b>DIRECTLY</b>
Responsible for powering your car to the best possible shortest possible time that there is.
Not edited: always true

this means that if you want to run, say,
<b>My goal is to crack the 11's with a very streetable car.</b>
then you need to also be aware that without a certain horsepower number at your rear wheels, your not going to hit that goal. not edited either: true

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misinformation;

and let me tell you, thats just not possible with 350RWHP in a thirdgen of average weight. i am sorry.

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Dont let me fool you. when i posted that i was thinking Ls-1 350RWHP running 12.9's. i get so caught up in hp = e/t i forget that there is more to it than that, such as 1.6 60; times or weight reduction.

 

Thats where your Wrong. It is possible to crack 11's in a 3rdgen without 350Rwhp. Mike crews is I think at 12.2 now and thats with berly 300rwhp, I think 302rwhp. I also know that Pony killer is running vortec heads and a slightly large cam, but I know hes not making 350rwhp. Probably like 320ish. hes running 11.9's with basically no tuning. check the

thread:https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=203817

Theres also something called torque. With 400rwt and 300rwhp you will be very very close to 11's if you can get your power to the ground. Like i said above, Im thinking ill be making 310horse and 400rwt. That is most likely good for 11''s with alot of tuning, and gasket matching , suspension mods etc. But sorry man its realitly. You dont need 350+rwhp to run 11's in a 3rd gen. Torque can get you a long way. Im trying to keep my car very streetable, and utilize the tpi system. I love how it performs. However its not going to make unbelievable horsepower numbers, it will however put out quite a bit of torque. THis way you maintain driveability and sitll have a fast car. Not to mention, a race starts at a light. and a 383 tpi car will take just about any car off the line ( if you can get traction), which is where most street races occure. If you want big horsepower numbers then you must up the duration on the cam. And to utilize the cam, you must have high flowing heads, (afrs, tflows, brodix, etc) with 190-200+cc ports, with bigger valves to handle the higher flow. THen you need a more flowing inttake,, (lt1, superam, carb) And then after everything is matched youve spent a butload of money, and then you find out to handle all of that HIGH RPM power your going to need alot of forged parts. It just gets really expensive you see, and torque is kind of the cheap way to go if you want to go fast. Granted 300rwhp is nearly 400 fly horse so thats definitley not to shabby, at least IMO. When I get my combo together it wont have a ton of room to grow, It will be pretty much maxed out, because the heads dont flow so great after 500+lift. And the cam isnt so big and on and on and on.

The bottom line of all this jibberish is that, torque can get you an 11 second timeslip, if you know how to use it, and you get every last ounce of torque out of your motor to the ground..

Horsepower can get you farther then torque by all means, but, It is more expensive, and the more you get the less streetable your car becomes, if your using the same CI that you started with.

Hopefully trax will clear up what i left out and correct me if i said somethin outa line ...

Im out

IROCZMAN380

 

actually,
1 horsepower is the force needed to move 33,000 pounds one foot in one minute.
JP

 

blah i knew there was somthing wrong with that 1lb thing. I should have just wrote it out..

33,000 / (2 * pi) ^feet = 5252
torque X rpm / 5252 = horsepower
1 horsepower = 33,000 lbs moved 1 foot in 1 minute



mikes car...
<b>Vortec truck heads, with a bit of bowl work, and a valve job. Hydraulic flat tappet comp XE 274 cam.... less than .500 lift with the 1.5 rockers . </b>

your telling me that mike has less than 350 horsepower with that cam?

<b>780 Vac sec 4150 holley, </b>
he also has a carb... not TPI...

which means hes probably taking advantage of the cam and spinning further than the TPI's bottleneck... which is where hes getting his horsepower from.

<b>1.666.................60
</b>

hes also running an impressive 60' time... which has alot to do with E/T as well.

where has he posted dyno numbers? Even on comp's website it shows more than 350 horsepower with that cam.
fourth Gen LS-1's come stock with 330-350 RWHP... from what ive seen during dyno runs here in florida... and they barelly make the 12's on a good day. still think mike has under 350 horses?

I bet Mike has a non-average weight thirdgen. he also appears to have suspension and traction modifications...

<b>The bottom line of all this jibberish is that, torque can get you an 11 second timeslip, if you know how to use it, and you get every last ounce of torque out of your motor to the ground.. </b>

Not sure if you realize THIS but torque IS horsepower, just multiplied by RPM with the 2 X 3.14 feet removed since its spinning twisting torque(5252..).

I should not have made such a broad and suggestive comment about "impossible to run 11's on 350RWHP" i was completelly wrong, anything is possible, its just not probable and even in mikes case I would like to see some dyno numbers and know the weight of the car. a lawnmower-weighted thirdgen could run a 9 on 50 horsepower... weight plays a huge roll.

 

Yes i did realize that. But its still called torque.


Im sick of arguing,, Ill just post my time slip and then post a dyno sheet. You will be surprised. You dont need as much rearwheel horsepower as your suggesting. THEIR ARE ALOT,, and I mean alot of other factors that go into running fast. Thats what your forgetting. I dont have time to sit here and go back and forth about why you dont need 350+rwhp to run an 11.99 its already getting old.


IROCZMAN380