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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 01:06 PM
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Anybody Ported A Stock Base For Vortecs?

New here. Lurked, searched, and starting to explore further.

I have seen conflicting posts about the feasibility of porting a stock TPI base for using Vortecs. I want to upgrade to a different head than my '87 F code 305 has, but the price on Vortec bases kills the advantage of a cheap set of Vortec heads. I ain't lookin' for killer hp, and I ain't lookin' to race. But I'd rather port the stock base than have to port a set of heads.

Anybody else thinking the same thing?
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 03:33 PM
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The biggest issue is the bolt pattern difference. I have done a few now by drilling and tapping the heads to the pre-vortec bolt pattern. You have to run more than just stock intake gaskets to do this. I have run double gaskets as well as the thick gaskets, both work well. I set the gaskets and intake on, slide a distributor in, and line up the ports. Make sure the dist turns easily, meaning the intake is sitting properly. Then center punch the holes into the head surface. Pull the intake, heads, etc and drill and tap. I reccomend setting the heads on with head gaskets and tightening 4 bolts each to insure
everything is sitting properly.
- By running the thick/double gasket(s) the intake sits higher, which aligns the ports more evenly. With just a small amount of intake port work, everything works out very well. - You'll have to put bolts/plugs/something in the vortec holes (I used bolts and washers after intake install) to plug the factory vortec holes off because they go through to the cam valley.

this is the best way I have seen to do it. It's about the only way that properly aligns the ports...

later, justin.....
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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Not clear about the 'pre-vortec bolt pattern'. I was unaware of their being any differences except the intake port height.

I was following your procedure about mocking up the fitment between intake and heads, heads lightly bolted to shortblock,with head gaskets, lining up the dist. for best fit, and then bolting down base to heads, using double intake gaskets, to do the port layout, but the bolt pattern thing threw me, sorry. Can you explain that part a different way? Is your method with valves out of the head, to reach thru chamber, and thru head's intake ports, to center punch (I'd scribe) the base port's layout lines?
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 06:34 PM
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The bolt pattern on your intake manifold is a 12 bolt and vortec heads are 8 bolt. Even though other intakes arent cheap you will be a lot better off getting an aftermarket one since the factory one is a big bottle neck. I went with vortec heads on mine and the mods listed. Im happy with how it turned out.
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Mods. GMPP Vortec heads, Comp Cams XR269HR, Crane Gold Rockers, Hooker headers, SDPC intake manifold, free flow exhaust, Air Foil, TB Bypass, K&N filter. Future mods, TPIS Runners, AFPR.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 11:49 AM
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The Vortec intake bolt pattern is completely different than the pre-vortec stuff. NONE of the bolts line up.
- No you don't have to have the valves or anything out, all you're doing is driling and tapping the intake surface. You have to center punch the intake surface on the heads for the pre-vortec intake bolt holes.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bonz
The bolt pattern on your intake manifold is a 12 bolt and vortec heads are 8 bolt. Even though other intakes arent cheap you will be a lot better off getting an aftermarket one since the factory one is a big bottle neck. I went with vortec heads on mine and the mods listed. Im happy with how it turned out.
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Mods. GMPP Vortec heads, Comp Cams XR269HR, Crane Gold Rockers, Hooker headers, SDPC intake manifold, free flow exhaust, Air Foil, TB Bypass, K&N filter. Future mods, TPIS Runners, AFPR.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but do you have any track times with your setup? I am curious about the cam.

Oh and I second the opinion of getting the correct intake.
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 05:16 PM
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I dont have any track times yet. I just got it all together this winter and have only had it on the road a few times. As soon as the drag strip opens up again ill take it down and see. Havent had a chance to top it out either but I would like to hit 150. Soon as I get my track times Ill post them.

THANKS
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Old Mar 30, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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Unfortunetly, here is where my pile of cash goes, or... went.

I'm looking for a cheap way to get 1.94's, and good port shape, without having to replace my whole induction system. I don't want to go much over 5000, don't need a lot of hp, just that I want more than the heads I've got, and I figure it don't make much sense to put money into 'em... : (
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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deffinition of "boat" - hole in the water in which one throws MASSIVE amounts of money.....

I've gotten away from them....for now....
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also, the vortec intake isn't enough better flow than the stocker to justify it simply for that reason. I can port a stock base and get about the same numbers as the ported vortec. - close enough for the girls i date....
- anyhow, i can't justify spending money on anything I can build/do myself. That's how I have been able to afford what I do have.

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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 01:00 PM
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I feel the same way. I don't want to have to lose the runners and plenum I already have, simply because of the amount of money to invest in a completely different, entire TPI induction system; it just isn't cost effective for me. I would be upgrading to a 383, going for Hi flow inducton pieces, bigger injectors, etc, etc, if I was going to really build it.

I matched the plenum to the runner gaskets, hollowed out the inside, and matched the base of runners to gasket, already. I was looking at getting SD Vortec heads, machined for screw in rocker studs, and guidelplates, with the .600" springs, and camming up.

$410 EACH.

My guess is to cam about 510-ish, keep duration at .050" down to around 210/218, burn my own chips for MAF, and be done with it.

Is this plan sound, or would you guys make other suggestions/recommendations? Remember, I ain't racing, I ain't looking for over 5300-5500 r's, just going for a well thought out combo for a 5.0 healthy driver.
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Old Apr 1, 2006 | 02:49 PM
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You .510 of lift might be a little more than you need.
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Old Apr 4, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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I'd say it your combo/idea sounds pretty good. The cam might be slightly big, but I've seen slightly large cams do much better than most people seem to think(I'm running 11's).
- Should make for a great street set-up.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 07:33 PM
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I'm going with the Vortec heads/base, junk yard heads, probably going to have to go new with the base, unless I find something soon. I've been looking at what cam to get now and called comp cams. They recommended either the XR269HR (.495/.503 218/224 112LSA) or the XR264HR (.488/.495 212/218 112LSA). By what I've read so far the XR269HR sounds like it will work well for me.

Stingray69, where in MI are you?? Maybe we could help eachother out.
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 10:11 AM
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I live in Perry, off of 69. From what I know about heads and cams, the intake will flow better than the exhaust, and the split duration pattern cams help to 'crutch' the head's poor exhaust flow, by giving a little more duration and lift to the exhaust. If your desired heads have excellant port flow, then you may even wind up with the split favoring the intake, my Canfield 310's on my BBC boat made my custom cam favor the intake, some. I have .035" more lift intake, and the duration starts out as a reverse split favoring intake (advertised duration), then it changes to a 4 degree split favoring the exhaust, for the @ .050" numbers. You should always know what head flow you have I/E, to be able to choose a suitable cam. Flow numbers and rpm desired are critical info to designing a cam to do what it is you want,with the heads that you have.

I'm not ready to do anything to the Camaro this year, but I am trying to research what has changed since I dropped it in in '89, and just what combo I want to use. Busy with tuning the new boat power this year, I'm sure...
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Originally Posted by Stingray69
I live in Perry, off of 69. From what I know about heads and cams, the intake will flow better than the exhaust, and the split duration pattern cams help to 'crutch' the head's poor exhaust flow, by giving a little more duration and lift to the exhaust. If your desired heads have excellant port flow, then you may even wind up with the split favoring the intake, my Canfield 310's on my BBC boat made my custom cam favor the intake, some. I have .035" more lift intake, and the duration starts out as a reverse split favoring intake (advertised duration), then it changes to a 4 degree split favoring the exhaust, for the @ .050" numbers. You should always know what head flow you have I/E, to be able to choose a suitable cam. Flow numbers and rpm desired are critical info to designing a cam to do what it is you want,with the heads that you have.

I'm not ready to do anything to the Camaro this year, but I am trying to research what has changed since I dropped it in in '89, and just what combo I want to use. Busy with tuning the new boat power this year, I'm sure...
Cool, thanks for the info . The heads I was referring to were Vortec heads, so I think that the exhaust would need a little help. Unfortunatly they need a lot more machine work than I thought they would, they were NOT off a running motor So much for vorteccs being the cheap alternative, I'm going to see if another shop will give me a better price, or if I can get my money back.
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