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Old Nov 11, 2006 | 01:56 AM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Trans Am
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700r4
TPS oddity. Does this make sense?

Does this make sense?

Car is off, disconnect throttle position sensor(for whatever reason... replace plug, get at a hose, etc, etc)
Plug TPS back in, turn car on. Car runs like crap for about 2-5 minutes then runs perfectly.

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Car is off, disconnect battery, then disconnect TPS.
Plug TPS back in, reconnect battery, car runs perfectly.

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Does it make sense that with the car off, if I unplug the TPS without disconnecting the battery that it should run like crap for a few minutes? I'm not sure how things work, but it would seem like the car knows the TPS is disconnected when the car is off. By off, I mean no key in, no nothing. That makes no sense whatsoever. Now, I suppose it would make sense if there was something wrong with the connection itself that manages to work itself out within a few minutes, but then why would it NOT run like crap just because I disconnected the battery?

This seems to happen exactly as listed for each scenario, never changing. The first time I ever dc'd the TPS was when I replaced my injectors and I thought I had screwed something up after I started it up, but, 5 minutes later it ran perfectly. Since then I've disconnected the TPS a few times as listed in the above scenarios, and if the battery is not disconnected BEFORE I unplug the TPS, it will run like crap for a few minutes. This is happening before and after I replaced the damaged connector, so being brand new, that's not the problem.

As a bit more info, it NEVER runs like crap in any other scenario, normally, daily driving, rainy, hot, cold, whatever. Just when I dc the TPS before dc'ing the battery.

I'm installing a new throttle body, tps, iac, coolant plate, gaskets, bolts, etc this weekend, but that oddity with the original TPS is bugging me.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 01:00 AM
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Car: Pro Stadium Tough Truck
Engine: Buick V6 272 cu in
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: Broken most of the time
Interesting. What ecm do you have?
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 02:10 AM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Stock, whatever came with a 91 TA I guess. I just replaced the throttle body, iac, tps, iac housing gaskets and bolts to try and get rid of an occasional stumble issue while driving. Seems to have worked. This time I unplugged the battery first, then did my work, connecting the battery last. Started up with no issues. I've taken to not unplugging the tps with the battery connected anymore as I just don't like the car running like crap for those few minutes. Not like I have any great need to unplug it all the time, but I did recently replace the injectors, then a few of the connectors and now the entire throttle body setup. The metal lever outside the tps was quite rusty and the iac was coated in a thickish dusty crap. iac housing has some issues, broken bolt and some gouge marks where the water and junk had collected due to poor clamping causing it to gouge/corrode the aluminum at one of the fittings.

I'm hoping that any issues were taken care of with the new iac and tps, but I don't plan on testing if unplugging the tps without dcing the battery causes it to run like crap. Weird stuff I say.
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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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Car: Pro Stadium Tough Truck
Engine: Buick V6 272 cu in
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: Broken most of the time
Thanks for the info. Sounds like you got it figured out. I'll bet you were scratching your head for a while. It is good to here these things... to help with trouble shooting.

Thanks
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