TPI Tuned Port Injection discussion and questions. LB9 and L98 tech, porting, tuning, and bolt-on aftermarket products.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Good Performace Package for a LB9 305 TPI

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 12:45 PM
  #1  
wiggin's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: La Crescenta
Car: 89 IROC-Z
Engine: 383 stroker
Transmission: WC T-5
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Good Performace Package for a LB9 305 TPI

Hey guys, I'm looking for a good aftermarket performace package for my 89 LB9 305 TPI engine. Something that includes cylinder heads, cam shaft, and intake system. Anyone know where to get a good one for around $1500?
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 02:11 PM
  #2  
1989GTATransAm's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 6,859
Likes: 14
From: Cypress, California
Car: 1989 GTA
Engine: 369 TPI
Transmission: 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 3.70 Nine Bolt
Not for that price. I would also look into a new block, pistons and rings.
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 02:37 PM
  #3  
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,804
Likes: 103
From: Central NJ
Car: 86 Trans Am
Engine: 408 stroker sbc
Transmission: TKO600
Axle/Gears: Moser full floater m9, 3:70 trutrac
good heads will cost more than that
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 02:45 PM
  #4  
wiggin's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: La Crescenta
Car: 89 IROC-Z
Engine: 383 stroker
Transmission: WC T-5
Axle/Gears: 2.77
not looking for anything more than 300-325hp, so didnt need the best heads, just looking to get above the 300hp mark. is there a better way to get there with the LB9 305 without supercharging?
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 05:50 PM
  #5  
92 Formula's Avatar
TGO Supporter
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 1,235
Likes: 2
From: Avatar: My 34' 1989 Scarab III w/ twin 454's (502's Started!)
Car: 1989 Wellcraft Scarab III
Engine: Twin 454's
Axle/Gears: Twin Mercruiser Bravo I's
I'm moving this where I think you will get more replies.
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 05:58 PM
  #6  
mnorton's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: Northern California, Redding
Car: Red 1987 IROC Convertible
Engine: 305 LB9 TPI
Transmission: T5 5-Speed
Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt 3.45
Heads $800+
Cam $250+
Rockers $175+
Headers/Cat/Pipes/Muffler/Tips $1000+

A 300 Horse Power 305.... Priceless.
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 06:24 PM
  #7  
3rdgenZ's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 562
Likes: 0
From: south Louisiana
Car: 1985 Z28
Engine: 85 L98
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: stock 10 bolt-3.73 eaten posi
http://www.sdpc2000.com/catalog/2172...ke-Headers.htm vortec heads with modified springs and vortec base, and your choice of a cam. for you cam i sugest you look here> http://thunderracing.com/catalog/?ac...&vid=6&pcid=51. for your cam i would pick something between the 300,302,304,501,and 465. to be honest unless you port the heads anything to far over .5 lift is over kill.
the 304 is pro. the way to go.

i must say 1500 isn't all that much to go with. if it is your first mod to the car id spind it on the exhaust, like the hooker 2055s and a cat back. that a lone will be close to 1000. id do that first if you haven't already, and if so the mods i listed will do wonders. and remeber its all for NOTHING if you do not get a good custom prom burnt for it.

Last edited by 3rdgenZ; Nov 11, 2006 at 06:28 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 06:47 PM
  #8  
TPI's Avatar
TPI
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,214
Likes: 3
From: Norwich, CT
Car: '89 Trans AM/'88 GTA
Engine: (2) Tuned Port L98's
Originally Posted by 1989GTATransAm
Not for that price. I would also look into a new block, pistons and rings.
, I think the problem starts with the LB9..
Im not picking any fights here, I also know there is some extremely well-built and super quick LB9 305 cars here on ThirdGen, But at what expense
and expierence??

I know alot of people, Including myself that
could build a 300HP SBC 350 on a budget ..
Not so mucha 5.0L 305 though. You can go
about it in two ways, Commit to the LB9 and
take that $1500 and buy Headers of you choice
& a exhaust system.. or obtain a L98 long/short
block or something of that nature.. A much more
suitable platform for making horsepower.

Also, Depending on the casting heads you have..
Id get some 081 58cc 305 heads and work them over,
That is pennies on the dollar..and a decent cylinder head at that.. With a matched cam and good induction, 300HP can be obtained with streetability.

Throwing $1500 in bolt-ons wont make 300HP,
but a well thought-out and planned build can far exceed that and can very well save you money!!

Last edited by TPI; Nov 11, 2006 at 06:51 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 07:44 PM
  #9  
mnorton's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: Northern California, Redding
Car: Red 1987 IROC Convertible
Engine: 305 LB9 TPI
Transmission: T5 5-Speed
Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt 3.45
Originally Posted by TPI
, I think the problem starts with the LB9..
When discussing a 305, there's always someone who has to play the race card.....

Want more power? Toss that POS 305 and get a 350.
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 10:10 PM
  #10  
TPI's Avatar
TPI
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,214
Likes: 3
From: Norwich, CT
Car: '89 Trans AM/'88 GTA
Engine: (2) Tuned Port L98's
I learned on a LB9 305, I love em'..personally

I was simply stating not all of us are master engine
builders, and to make any kind of power with limited
knowledge.. I certainly would not suggest a 305 motor
to start with.

Hell, junkyard block 350 with decent heads, cam
and a nice carb set-up.. 300HP roughly.

I didnt totally dismiss the 305 either, If he commits
to it.. everyone here agrees exhaust would be a wise
step
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2006 | 10:37 PM
  #11  
mnorton's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: Northern California, Redding
Car: Red 1987 IROC Convertible
Engine: 305 LB9 TPI
Transmission: T5 5-Speed
Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt 3.45
Originally Posted by TPI
I learned on a LB9 305, I love em'..personally
I hear ya, and I don't mean to dis you. If this guy wants to scrap the 305 for any reason, that's fine with me. It's just that he asked about a 305 performance package.

With enough reading it becomes obvious to most that making a 305 powerful is typically just not the best choice. Then again at least it's starting with a V8.... and as a daily driver these engines can easily run 200K miles.

If I had a car that wasn't so rare, and with a very well maintained original engine I should add, I would have gone a different route. I'd have yanked the 305, boxed it, and bought a new 350 crate engine, but I have my reasons for building it too.

I've got Hooker 2055's coming in the mail, and my little 305 is running pretty well. It was expensive though, basically 3 grand in parts, and the rotating assembly is used and original. Still many of the costs were not specific to a 305, exhaust for example, these cars all need it regardless of what engine is in it.
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 12:00 AM
  #12  
TPI's Avatar
TPI
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,214
Likes: 3
From: Norwich, CT
Car: '89 Trans AM/'88 GTA
Engine: (2) Tuned Port L98's
Yea, Sorry bout that.. 305 it is !!

$1500 is very meager when trying
to find a "package" so to speak.. A set of
Headers and cat-back could easily consume
a nice portion of that cash. Usually people like
to start on the internals.. while alot of people
start on intake/exhaust.

Cam selection could be troubling, especially
if your undecided what Induction to run and
heads you want in the future.

Assuming you have or can obtain 081 or 416
heads, you dont have to drop $1200+ on after market heads.. Condition your existing ones. A
mild port, some new valves, springs and seals..
also purchase a set of some 1.52 or 1.6 ratio
roller rockers

Complement that with a mild cam and a free
flowing exhaust and Id say your off to a great
start..
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 12:50 AM
  #13  
mnorton's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: Northern California, Redding
Car: Red 1987 IROC Convertible
Engine: 305 LB9 TPI
Transmission: T5 5-Speed
Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt 3.45
I think that the 1989 LB9 TPI has a pretty decent set of heads, cam, and intake already. With $1500 as a budget I would suggest using all of those parts as is. Do this:

Get the Valves to Open a little further.
Buy some 1.6 Roller Tip Rocker Arms from EBay: COMP CAMS Small Block Chevy MAGNUM ROLLER ROCKERS #1418-16 $160

Buy a full exhaust with Headers from Summit

Headers:
Summit:http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $410

CAT:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $98

3" I-Pipe:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $97

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $58

Tailpipes:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $36

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $35

Muffler:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $90




And Improve the Air and Fuel Mixture:

Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $90

Air Filters:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku $52


Total Cost is $1126. Allow $150 to have it welded together at an exhaust shop and you're at $1276.

I would guess an easy 25+ HP gain! And money still left over to have the headers ceramic coated if you want! And.. It will sound AWESOME!!!

Last edited by mnorton; Nov 12, 2006 at 01:23 AM.
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 01:39 AM
  #14  
1991CamaroRslow's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,833
Likes: 0
From: Cincinatti OH
Car: 1991 L03 700r4 RS
Engine: 1987 WS6 Trans AM Lb2
Transmission: Th350 red neck Performance 3k stall
Axle/Gears: 95 Mustang 8.8 built with 3.73s
"Hey guys, I'm looking for a good aftermarket performace package for my 89 LB9 305 TPI engine"

http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog...&sid=179#P1826

The end.
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 01:50 AM
  #15  
TPI's Avatar
TPI
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,214
Likes: 3
From: Norwich, CT
Car: '89 Trans AM/'88 GTA
Engine: (2) Tuned Port L98's
Originally Posted by 1991CamaroRslow
"Hey guys, I'm looking for a good aftermarket performace package for my 89 LB9 305 TPI engine"

http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog...&sid=179#P1826

The end.

Reply
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 02:19 AM
  #16  
mnorton's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: Northern California, Redding
Car: Red 1987 IROC Convertible
Engine: 305 LB9 TPI
Transmission: T5 5-Speed
Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt 3.45
I hear that!
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 08:44 PM
  #17  
Souseless's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 348
Likes: 0
From: Buffalo, NY
Car: 89 WS6
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt T2R w/ 3:23
Looking back to the SDPC link I have some questions. With a set of Vortec heads on the LB9 how much lift can you give it before you run into problems? I recall hearing that part of the problem with building a 305 is limited lift. Also it would seem that getting good power from a 305 would mean higher rpm. This would mean a short runner intake whech means no vortec heads, right? Is there a low cost option head that could work with the LT1 intake conversion?
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2006 | 09:16 PM
  #18  
wiggin's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: La Crescenta
Car: 89 IROC-Z
Engine: 383 stroker
Transmission: WC T-5
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Thanks for all the tips, basically the problem i'm running into is I want the 350 engine, but also want the manual trans. Which would be easier/cheaper, buy a 350 and add a manual transmission, or buy a 305 and drop in a 350? how hard is a 350 swap? (keep in mind i have limited re-building experience)
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2006 | 01:46 AM
  #19  
mnorton's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: Northern California, Redding
Car: Red 1987 IROC Convertible
Engine: 305 LB9 TPI
Transmission: T5 5-Speed
Axle/Gears: 9-Bolt 3.45
Buy a 305 5-Speed and install a 350 engine. Going from an Auto to a Manual Trans has more difficult issues to deal with.
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2006 | 09:02 PM
  #20  
wiggin's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
From: La Crescenta
Car: 89 IROC-Z
Engine: 383 stroker
Transmission: WC T-5
Axle/Gears: 2.77
what type of budget should I set for a 350 swap?
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2006 | 09:36 PM
  #21  
MattODoom's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 624
Likes: 0
From: SW Michigan
Car: '88 G T/A
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 Bolt
$1500 bang for your buck:

Reply
Old Jan 21, 2007 | 01:25 PM
  #22  
Swole1's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
From: spring,tx
Car: 93 chevy picup
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700r4
i would think s/r torquer heads and an LT4 cam would be a good pack and streetable no matter what type of intake u got, for all small blocks
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2007 | 01:46 PM
  #23  
Brisk's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,623
Likes: 0
From: Beautiful BC
Car: '88 IROC-Z / '91 Z28 / '91 GTA
Engine: LT4 Hot Cam 305 / L98 355 / MR 383
Transmission: 5-spd / 700R4 / 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3:45 / 3:23 / 3:23
pick up a used set of aluminum L98 heads and a LT4 hotcam kit. use the left over money to buy headers and exhaust. thats what I did.
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2007 | 08:56 PM
  #24  
chevylover5's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 317
Likes: 0
From: willow grove, PA
Car: 1992 Camaro vert
Engine: 355
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt... not blow up yet
Originally Posted by Brisk
pick up a used set of aluminum L98 heads and a LT4 hotcam kit. use the left over money to buy headers and exhaust. thats what I did.
what kind of power are you making? i want to do a 305 build up also...
i just want to hit 300rwhp and keep it a daily driver...
i already have a full exhaust and next comes headers with a cut out , cam and heads...
im thinkin of rebuilding the tpi base with some porting and some slp runners
do you think 300hp is an outrageous number to hit?
Reply
Old Mar 5, 2007 | 03:56 PM
  #25  
Brisk's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,623
Likes: 0
From: Beautiful BC
Car: '88 IROC-Z / '91 Z28 / '91 GTA
Engine: LT4 Hot Cam 305 / L98 355 / MR 383
Transmission: 5-spd / 700R4 / 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3:45 / 3:23 / 3:23
I don't know what kind of power I am making.. never dyno'ed or been to a track. There is another guy on this boards that has almost identical mods to me, and I think he said he dynoed at 260?
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 01:35 AM
  #26  
WhiteKnight's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: 305
Transmission: Manual
I thought L98 heads wouldnt work on a 305?

I also have an LB9 and I still dont know which way I'm going with it. For now I'm working around the engine. Full exhaust, some suspension mods, ignition, basically stuff that can easily be swapped over to a 350 if I plan on moving on up in engine size.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 08:56 AM
  #27  
MARO-MAN's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
From: Good 'ol Wisconsin
Car: I've had 4 thrid gens!!
Engine: Someday again I will have another!!
They are talking about aluminum L98 heads out of a Vette(58cc comb. chambers). The iron L98 heads out of 'maro/'birds are not the same.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 11:23 AM
  #28  
WhiteKnight's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: 305
Transmission: Manual
ooh I missed the aluminum part. I just saw the L98. I thought the corvette engine had a different RPO code from L98.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
BlueIroc-Z
Camaros for Sale
7
Jun 9, 2019 03:22 AM
Brcharrelson
TPI
15
Aug 26, 2015 07:47 PM
st.evel07
Engine Swap
5
Aug 13, 2015 06:15 PM
Sanjay
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
1
Aug 12, 2015 03:41 PM
drathaar907
TPI
0
Aug 6, 2015 04:20 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:52 PM.