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Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by fastgascar
Bringing this one back, can someone please assist. I pulled a code 36 so I started poking around the relays, I have a 1988 Chevy Iroc Z 5.7 and I have these exact colors on my relays listed in the quote, however the relay I think is the fuel pump has part # 10094701(rectangle), the other two are 14089936(round). I have the fuel pump relay out of the car and the car still starts. I disconnected all three relays and the car starts, of course the idle is rough. If the MAF power and MAF burnoff relay are supposed to be different then, why do I have two of the same. These are factory? Never been taken out of the car. The car has been in my family the last 24 years, so I know it was never swapped around.
With all the relays disconnected, especially the fuel pump relay, the car shouldn't start at all. When the the key is turned, it energizes the FP relay, which will send current to the oil pressure switch that is "open". When you crank the engine, the oil pressure rises and "closes" the switch which will then send a continues current to power the FP. Without the relay, there is no power to the oil pressure switch. That is how my 86 IROC is wired. I'm not too sure how your electrical system is wired so it may be different.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by Chevy86 IROC-Z
With all the relays disconnected, especially the fuel pump relay, the car shouldn't start at all. When the the key is turned, it energizes the FP relay, which will send current to the oil pressure switch that is "open". When you crank the engine, the oil pressure rises and "closes" the switch which will then send a continues current to power the FP. Without the relay, there is no power to the oil pressure switch. That is how my 86 IROC is wired. I'm not too sure how your electrical system is wired so it may be different.
Hey Chevy86, love the fact ur still helping out guys on a thread that was started in 07. That's Love!!!
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
I just want to put it out there because I just fixed this issue with my car. I would not use these interchangeably. My car had the power relay and the burnoff relay swapped around, and with them connected like this it caused the D terminal on the MAF connector to be powered with 12v, ran like garbage, and threw a code 33. So there must be something different where the relay is switched internally as the problem was fixed by connecting the right relays to the right plugs.
This was a 1987 with a TPI 305, both relays were from OE parts from AC DELCO.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by resinlake
ok here, is one more question, who would be the best source for a replacement Maf Burnoff and Maf Power Harness ends/plugs? Mine have exposed wires and move around too much. I think that is half if not the whole problem I'm having with mine. Thanks
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by Chevy86 IROC-Z
Actually, yes, I just read the post. I should hit myself huh? .....There we go. No problem. No offense taken.
it shouldn't matter how old a post is.every day un suspecting people buy these cars .and THEN the trouble starts.the smart ones come to TGO looking for info for their particular TPI hell. the not so smart ones go from garage to garage HOPING to find a "technician" that knows about our cars .only to find that the techs are younger than our cars and NO body knows anything.when it comes to 3rd gen Camaros we appear to be own our own
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by rusty vango
it shouldn't matter how old a post is.every day un suspecting people buy these cars .and THEN the trouble starts.the smart ones come to TGO looking for info for their particular TPI hell. the not so smart ones go from garage to garage HOPING to find a "technician" that knows about our cars .only to find that the techs are younger than our cars and NO body knows anything.when it comes to 3rd gen Camaros we appear to be own our own
Well said.
If your gonna look for a mechanic, it better be an old guy. They more than likely know about old vehicles and the basics.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
So what are the current part numbers for these relays? I'm having a fluctuating idle and car craps out at 3600. Switched the two relays and the problem went away for a little while.
Both my relays are the oval ones, part number 14089936. 1988 IROC, 305TPI.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by resinlake
ok here, is one more question, who would be the best source for a replacement Maf Burnoff and Maf Power Harness ends/plugs? Mine have exposed wires and move around too much. I think that is half if not the whole problem I'm having with mine. Thanks
napa & oreilleys both have the "pigtails" in question, however ,i must point out that they must be soldered in, NOT crimped. the idea being that theres less resistance/heat in a soldered connection than a crimped one
Gp-Sorensen / Relay - Amplifier
MR5
Gp-Sorensen / Relay - Aux. Engine Cooling Fan
MR5
Gp-Sorensen / Relay - Radiator Cooling Fan Motor
MR5
Gp-Sorensen / Relay - Fuel Pump
MR5
Gp-Sorensen / Relay - Anti Diesel
MR5
Notice all three will run fuel pumps (large inrush and large magnetic cutoff, EMF) , and the MR82 weights the most.
The MR82 has larger relay contacts then the MR22, and did not see the extra resistors in the GP relays.
any way any of you can give me a hand with my tps voltage issue? I'm not even to sure if i have all the right relays in their location and I'm starting to think i have two different halts of wiring harnesses :S
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Hey guys, Im getting confused with all the part numbers for the different relays getting thrown around.. For my 88 iroc, what are the correct part numbers for my fuel pump,mass air power and mass air burnoff relays? Thanks
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by silverstang84
^ I'd like to know as well
I buy oreilleys relays, admittadely they last only a 8 month average . but they beat the hell out of auto zone and advance that fail or are the wrong ones right out of the box. BWD -671 MAF power, and BWD -3009 burn off. I cross refrenced these from the GM relay numbers. they work for 86-89 Camaro and trans ams.with the 8th digit of the VIN being "F". or as in the TPI cars. they are our best bet considering
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by silverstang84
Well, that's sucks
ah, it aint all bad. the BWD select relays are pretty good. the trick is to not get fooled into being told that "MAF relays are all the same". they are NOT. and doing the research to make sure you get the correct relays for your application. we find that buying a quality MAF and relays is half the battle with a TPI car. it took quite a bit of time and effort to compile the GM part numbers for these components. IMHO its the only way to be certain
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by silverstang84
That's what I'm trying to figure out.. I've read this thread but in still a little confused. What are the right lets numbers for my 88, 350 TPI iroc?
R-671 and R-3009 are the BWD part numbers. they work on any TPI car from 86-89. I do not recommend any other brand of relays ,although you may cross reference these numbers. I find I have tried them all, and I find BWD to be the highest quality
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by rusty vango
R-671 and R-3009 are the BWD part numbers. they work on any TPI car from 86-89. I do not recommend any other brand of relays ,although you may cross reference these numbers. I find I have tried them all, and I find BWD to be the highest quality
Thank you sir. Those 2 number you have me are for the mass air power and burnoff relays?
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
I went to autozone and got PO#19844 for the burnoff relay and PO#010469 for the power relay. I'm sure someones gonna say these aren't the correct part numbers and I know that they aren't the best choice but they have worked fine for me with no issues.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by TylerSteez
I went to autozone and got PO#19844 for the burnoff relay and PO#010469 for the power relay. I'm sure someones gonna say these aren't the correct part numbers and I know that they aren't the best choice but they have worked fine for me with no issues.
let alone the best choice, they aren't even the correct relays. but ,hey its your money
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by TylerSteez
They are working fine for me, and for thirty bucks I'm not gonna cry and complain if I need to switch, thanks for the attitude though
hey, im not tryin to be a bitc$. my goal here is to help. and if the mystery relays work for you ,great. im trying to share what I have learned with others who need advice and part numbers. nothing more .or less.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by rusty vango
yes, as mentioned they work on the 86-89 TPI cars
Hey man. I just got my car out of storage and I'm tackling this relay problem.. I have a question. If the 88-89 cars had the one square relay,2 oval relays, how can the parts numbers you gave me work on 86-89?
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by silverstang84
Hey man. I just got my car out of storage and I'm tackling this relay problem.. I have a question. If the 88-89 cars had the one square relay,2 oval relays, how can the parts numbers you gave me work on 86-89?
I have seen different styles of them. its not what the housing looks like that matters. its what is inside that counts.and according to the GM catalog the relays from 86-89 are the same
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by silverstang84
According to the pictures, these telays are the flat square type. My Maf burnoff and maf power are the rounded type. They're not interchangeable.
These are what my relays look like. Fuel pump on the left, mad power in middle, maf burnoff on right
while it is true that none of the relays are interchangeable. you have to rule out if anyone has moved things around previously. on the bracket . you can check this with a test light. you cant rule anything out as POs may have changed things around . your best and only weapon is going to be a factory service manual for your car. that and us here on TGO
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by rusty vango
while it is true that none of the relays are interchangeable. you have to rule out if anyone has moved things around previously. on the bracket . you can check this with a test light. you cant rule anything out as POs may have changed things around . your best and only weapon is going to be a factory service manual for your car. that and us here on TGO
That;s not entirley true as the tread "say they are not all the same", but couple if the them are interchangeable depends on the year and type for example up to year 87 the Fuel Pump relay and MAF burn Off Relay got to use the same part number (GM PART#10094701) or BW R3009 where the MAF power needs BW R671 for the same year.(I have listed the correct parts numbers from different vendors in my previous post).... 1988 year still used the (GM PART#10094701) for the fuel pump relay, but has different oval shape relays for power and burn off and I believe some one said they were not interchangeable, but that I don't know
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by judoka_ca
That;s not entirley true as the tread "say they are not all the same", but couple if the them are interchangeable depends on the year and type for example up to year 87 the Fuel Pump relay and MAF burn Off Relay got to use the same part number (GM PART#10094701) or BW R3009 where the MAF power needs BW R671 for the same year.(I have listed the correct parts numbers from different vendors in my previous post).... 1988 year still used the (GM PART#10094701) for the fuel pump relay, but has different oval shape relays for power and burn off and I believe some one said they were not interchangeable, but that I don't know
while its very good to post up the info you did. my point was that POs can and do some strange things. its best to not assume anything is correct until you check.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Here's a picture from the 1988 service manual I have. I just ordered the part #10094701 burn off relay. However, like everyone said, these cars are different. Funny that this pic shows it different from others of the same year on here.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
[QUOTE=Johnstonxj;5959862]Here's a picture from the 1988 service manual I have. I just ordered the part #10094701 burn off relay. However, like everyone said, these cars are different. Funny that this pic shows it different from others of the same year on here.
I agree 100% I have compared the few diagrams for Fuel, MAF-Burn off and MAF-Power relays and noted different collours going to different terminals all diagrams claimed to be for 5.0 and 5.7 TPI engines
I have 87 IROC-Z28 5.0 TPI 5 SPEED F body and my MAF power relay wires are in reverese order as previoulsy posted by scubbasteve..in post 19
I compared my MAF power relay wires and they go as follows
MAF POWER RELAY
A-RED
B-BLK/WHT
C-TAN/WHT
D-GRN
D-ORG
Could any one who has 87 IROC-Z 28 5.0 5speed confirm Their wires and terminals especially for MAF-POWER RELAY.
PO of my IROC removed the MAF power relay and cut the wires for some reason.
I bought an after market one and reconnected it all to their corresponding collours but the she doesnt drive quite right and now am not sure seeing all the different diagrams that all my wires go to their correct terminals
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by rusty vango
while its very good to post up the info you did. my point was that POs can and do some strange things. its best to not assume anything is correct until you check.
yes I agree with you Rusty all the way my post was merely FYI only
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
[QUOTE=rusty vango;5873574]I have seen different styles of them. its not what the housing looks like that matters. its what is inside that counts.and according to the GM catalog the relays from 86-89 are the same[/QUOTE
All though that might be true, still can't use it if the connector won't or can't connect to the relay because they won't match up. Common sense here.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by judoka_ca
That;s not entirley true as the tread "say they are not all the same", but couple if the them are interchangeable depends on the year and type for example up to year 87 the Fuel Pump relay and MAF burn Off Relay got to use the same part number (GM PART#10094701) or BW R3009 where the MAF power needs BW R671 for the same year.(I have listed the correct parts numbers from different vendors in my previous post).... 1988 year still used the (GM PART#10094701) for the fuel pump relay, but has different oval shape relays for power and burn off and I believe some one said they were not interchangeable, but that I don't know
Look at the wiring, for one, two have 5 wires and one has 4, so one of the relays is not interchangable, as for as the different types of relays you might have to change the connectors to fit the relay, as one type might not be on the market anymore. Which is what I am finding out the hard way.
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by Zeifer
So what are the current part numbers for these relays? I'm having a fluctuating idle and car craps out at 3600. Switched the two relays and the problem went away for a little while.
Both my relays are the oval ones, part number 14089936. 1988 IROC, 305TPI.
There is a difference in the relays if your using the same for both the burn off and power it will not run right
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Originally Posted by rusty vango
R-671 and R-3009 are the BWD part numbers. they work on any TPI car from 86-89. I do not recommend any other brand of relays ,although you may cross reference these numbers. I find I have tried them all, and I find BWD to be the highest quality
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Hey guys, can someone explain specifically what the difference is in the MAF power and MAF burnoff relays? I've repaired some funky wiring by the previous owner and I just used off-the-shelf 12V 30A electrical relays. I had no idea they would be unsuitable, I wasn't trying to cheap-out. The MAF sensor is working (it used to throw code 33 & 36) but now the burnoff cycle is not happening (still throws code 36). If I replace them with the correct relays I'll have to source the pigtails as well since previous owner had done unmentionable things to the relays/wiring. So anyway, I'd love to save $50 - $60 and a couple of hours of work if the debate about correct v. incorrect relays is more about superstition or originality than concrete electrical specifications.
Thanks
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
So, I've been going through my relays trying to fix a no start issue and, have a 4th 5 pin (only 4 wires on it) box behind the 3 relays on the firewall. It is mounted on a bracket that is directly behind the Fuel Pump Relay. Can't seen to find what it is in any of the books. Any thoughts?
Re: MAF relay differences. They are not all the same
Any ideas after replacing both relays and maf? Still getting code 36 and it idles ruff an typically goes up and down between 400-550 rpm while in drive. Thanks for any help.
12-17-2012, 11:03 PM
.....There we go. No problem. No offense taken.
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