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Old Feb 8, 2001 | 08:30 PM
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need advice on spark plug gap

I just got my digital6 ignition in the car and they recomend 50-60 gap for a car under 10:1 compresion. I run ngkfr5 plugs and think maybe i should pull them and gap them about 50 or so? I just want a few more horsepower. do you think i will gain anything? I have run 12.7@111mph trick flow wedge heads, super ram etc. Thanks
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Old Feb 8, 2001 | 09:30 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by superiroc:
I just got my digital6 ignition in the car and they recomend 50-60 gap for a car under 10:1 compresion. I run ngkfr5 plugs and think maybe i should pull them and gap them about 50 or so? I just want a few more horsepower. do you think i will gain anything? I have run 12.7@111mph trick flow wedge heads, super ram etc. Thanks</font>
Super,
that's not a lot of info about your car, but anyway. That's cool you got the digital box. I'm not really familiar with the digital-6, though I know all about the digital-7 as the MSD engineers stole three of the feature designs directly from me back in 1995. Yes some hard feelings on that one.
Anyway I have never measured a power gain from simply widening plug gaps no matter what the combination, ignition, or sparkplug. There are a few tricks to sparkplugs that do work however.
My biggest power gain from a plug came from running an extremely cold Autolite#51 plug.
I have measured gains by simply clipping the ground straps back half-way to expose the tip & spark.
I have measured small gains by indexing the plugs so that the ground strap faces towards the intake valve.
I have measured gains by tuning (adjusting my A/F ratio & spark advance) while running wide gaps of .045 - .055 and after reaching max power closing the gaps down to .033
It is much easier for me to powertune with wide gaps until I reach the lean-limit or lean-misfire, then at that point I gap them tight and the misfires go away and power level goes up even more.
It is harder for me to find the lean-limit without overshooting the mark if the plugs are tight... especially with an MSD.

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Old Feb 8, 2001 | 09:44 PM
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Wow that car of yours realy screams! Do you think my car could run those numbers with a 383 and that cam with my super ram. I already have TFW heads and love them. I have a super ram,52tb,24#svo,3:73,5-speed,Hedman LT headers and 3.5 mufflex exhaust. Solid roller cams realy seem to help and if you only put 10k on your car a year you only need to adjust them twice a year.So i should try a cooler plug, cut the tip back a little and point them toward the intake valve. i have heard of people cutting the strip back to better expose the tip, thanks for the help
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Old Feb 8, 2001 | 10:09 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by superiroc:
Wow that car of yours realy screams! Do you think my car could run those numbers with a 383 and that cam with my super ram. I already have TFW heads and love them. I have a super ram,52tb,24#svo,3:73,5-speed,Hedman LT headers and 3.5 mufflex exhaust. Solid roller cams realy seem to help and if you only put 10k on your car a year you only need to adjust them twice a year.So i should try a cooler plug, cut the tip back a little and point them toward the intake valve. i have heard of people cutting the strip back to better expose the tip, thanks for the help</font>
I think it would run great with those heads and cam. I chose to go carbureted partly for more power which I got. I would also guess the dualplane carb intake to be worth more torque at the shift-recover RPM than you would see with a mini-ram. Not sure about the super-ram, but if you mean the box intake from LPE/Acell then it's very likely to make even more torque. The only issue I have with that combo would be getting it tuned. If you do what it takes to tune it right, or have it done right, then it would be super.
I don't feel that 3.73 rear and 5-speed are the best match for a 383, but would be fun as long as it held together.
I can't personally recommend a solid cam from my experience. I don't know anyone who adjusts only twice a year... more like twice per night of hard running. They seem to be a huge huge pain. I've heard people say they are worth big power on a high RPM high horsepower engine, but I've not heard good reviews on a street engine with solids.
I think the 3.5" exhaust will be just right for a 383 as I plan to try that myself.
good luck
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Old Feb 9, 2001 | 09:03 AM
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You know ODB, you're growing on me more everyday. Hell, when you first said the MSD engineers stole your ideas, i started thinking, damnit, he's being a troll again. But then you explain your power tuning method and the brightest lightbulb i have seen in a while went off over my head. That is THE coolest idea i have every heard for tuning. I hope you don't mind if i borrow it, lol.
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Old Feb 9, 2001 | 03:07 PM
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OBD, what idea is it that MSD stole from you?
You wanna share or do I have to give you a shot-o-crack?
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Old Feb 9, 2001 | 03:08 PM
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Back off motherfu-ck-er....I'LL KILL YA!!

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Old Feb 9, 2001 | 03:24 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ed Maher:
You know ODB, you're growing on me more everyday. Hell, when you first said the MSD engineers stole your ideas, i started thinking, damnit, he's being a troll again. But then you explain your power tuning method and the brightest lightbulb i have seen in a while went off over my head. That is THE coolest idea i have every heard for tuning. I hope you don't mind if i borrow it, lol.
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Thank you very much Ed. Borrow any ideas you like.
I encourage anyone to do their own tests to see what their engine likes best. If my hints or advice saves them some $, time, or trouble then that's great.
I have a couple other sparkplug mods in the works, but keeping the ideas under wraps for certain reasons right now. When they are fully tested and I have a patent they will come out.
thanks again.
ODB


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