******* outside my office with his Mustang.
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******* outside my office with his Mustang.
So there's this ******* outside my office rev'ing this 78-93 LX to heel with a really great sounding exhuast and spinning the tires. Okay okay okay, I know it's highschoolish but it's starting to get to my Chevy self.
Here's the deal
86 IROC (355) Auto, running 14.8s now, I want to see 12 on no spray, and low 12 on spray. What do I need to do?
I have-Edelbrock Headers -Cat back -Coil - Wires - and all emissions/AC equipment removed.
Here what I was tihnking - TFS heads, What runners??? I want to stay away from the super pricey intake like the super/miniram, but would be more than willing to go runners/baseplate, what else? Do I need to be running a massive cam of anytthing? Also, what stall convertor and what gear ratio would you guys use? I really want to smoke some mustangs this year, and if a TPI camaro won't do it, I will ditch the SOB for something GM that will.
Here's the deal
86 IROC (355) Auto, running 14.8s now, I want to see 12 on no spray, and low 12 on spray. What do I need to do?
I have-Edelbrock Headers -Cat back -Coil - Wires - and all emissions/AC equipment removed.
Here what I was tihnking - TFS heads, What runners??? I want to stay away from the super pricey intake like the super/miniram, but would be more than willing to go runners/baseplate, what else? Do I need to be running a massive cam of anytthing? Also, what stall convertor and what gear ratio would you guys use? I really want to smoke some mustangs this year, and if a TPI camaro won't do it, I will ditch the SOB for something GM that will.
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if you insist on doing it the hard way (with the TPI), here is my advice.
Forget the runners/baseplate because it's not worth the money vs performance.
Definately get the TFS heads, but I suggest getting the inline-valve version. The twisted wedge has canted valves and you would have to clearance your pistons with extra valve reliefs for the intakes.
The camshaft I run would be great for you TPI combo.
TPI cars generally work best with 3.23:1 rear gears (3.08 & 3.27 ok too).
Don't waste any money on throttle body.
TPI cars respond very well to a good exhaust system, so put some real effort into that area.
My opinion on converters (TC) is that Precision makes the best ones. The GM version is called the vigilante. Get the lowest stall rating possible but with the highest stall-torque ratio. This will match your TPI well, but you will need better tires that will hook. I have had super results using Mcreary road stars on 15X8 inch rims.
Definately run a nitrous system. My opinion is that the dry systems work the best on TPI setups. You will not need big nitrous jets to get great gains from the TPI. Anything from a 32 to a 47 jet should be all you need to whip mustangs.
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*I do custom performance mods on Edlebrock Performer carburetors (dualplane intake mods in the works),
White 1986 Irocz, 305/383 with Edlebrock Performer-RPM intake and Performer #1407 carburetor, +110hp shot of crack, 700R-4 tranny, 3.25:1 rear, Mcreary Road-Stars, SLP-stainless 1.75" shortie headers & Y-pipe, single 3" Borla exhaust, Linginfelter-TPI camshaft part number 74216 pulls 17" vacuum solid. Cam specs 213/219 @.050 114-LSA, .462/.470 lift @1.5:1 ratio. MSD-6AL, billet distributor, multi-retard, blaster-3 coil, and RPM switch.
N/A runs 10.9 @124,
Crack-runs 10.3 @135
haven't run at track since Oct-99
Forget the runners/baseplate because it's not worth the money vs performance.
Definately get the TFS heads, but I suggest getting the inline-valve version. The twisted wedge has canted valves and you would have to clearance your pistons with extra valve reliefs for the intakes.
The camshaft I run would be great for you TPI combo.
TPI cars generally work best with 3.23:1 rear gears (3.08 & 3.27 ok too).
Don't waste any money on throttle body.
TPI cars respond very well to a good exhaust system, so put some real effort into that area.
My opinion on converters (TC) is that Precision makes the best ones. The GM version is called the vigilante. Get the lowest stall rating possible but with the highest stall-torque ratio. This will match your TPI well, but you will need better tires that will hook. I have had super results using Mcreary road stars on 15X8 inch rims.
Definately run a nitrous system. My opinion is that the dry systems work the best on TPI setups. You will not need big nitrous jets to get great gains from the TPI. Anything from a 32 to a 47 jet should be all you need to whip mustangs.
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*I do custom performance mods on Edlebrock Performer carburetors (dualplane intake mods in the works),
White 1986 Irocz, 305/383 with Edlebrock Performer-RPM intake and Performer #1407 carburetor, +110hp shot of crack, 700R-4 tranny, 3.25:1 rear, Mcreary Road-Stars, SLP-stainless 1.75" shortie headers & Y-pipe, single 3" Borla exhaust, Linginfelter-TPI camshaft part number 74216 pulls 17" vacuum solid. Cam specs 213/219 @.050 114-LSA, .462/.470 lift @1.5:1 ratio. MSD-6AL, billet distributor, multi-retard, blaster-3 coil, and RPM switch.
N/A runs 10.9 @124,
Crack-runs 10.3 @135
haven't run at track since Oct-99
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If you don't already have it, you should get an Xtreme Energy Comp cam first!! These cams are designed to make a mild car run like a not-so-mild car!! This will help but it's only the first step to get you in the 12's! The seconds step I would recommend would be getting the 190cc AFR heads!! I think the TFS heads are around 200cc runners right?! 200cc is the LARGEST runner recommended for a TPI so if it's already got larger then you don't want them unless you have the Super/MiniRam system which you already said you don't want to go with!! The 190cc AFR's will give you more low end torque that you can put to the ground!! With the 190cc AFR heads you'll definitely get into the 12's!! The AFR heads are the best flowing you can buy for a TPI setup! Go to AirFlowResearch.com and click on the archived articles and click the article called "flow to go"!! This is an article from a GM Performance magazine I believe and it is an article about GM flow testing several heads! The charts show the numbers!
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4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 383 stroker w/TPI, Hedman Shorty Headers, 64cc Pocket Ported Worlds Product Sportsman-II heads, ported intake, comp cam, TPIS air foil, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator, and 24 lb/hr SVO injectors!
Current project: Keeping my car running until I get the money for the above mentioned project! :-)
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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 383 stroker w/TPI, Hedman Shorty Headers, 64cc Pocket Ported Worlds Product Sportsman-II heads, ported intake, comp cam, TPIS air foil, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator, and 24 lb/hr SVO injectors!
Current project: Keeping my car running until I get the money for the above mentioned project! :-)
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to the "ODB" your here again!! why??.... wonderfull advice he'll thank you when he's putting a new motor in! oh yeah odb whats with the oh so wondefull cam you have is it a special cam no ever heard of it makes you run 9's off the bottle hell ill get the damn cam!!
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Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 160 (882) heads,.447/.447 lift 222@.050 duration speed pro 327/350hp cam 350 .40 over (356) Edlebrock torker2 and a 600 edlebrock manual choke (1405)
Future mods performer rpm air gap intake (polished) comp roller cam, and way better headsa 400 defintely in the works!
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1989 firebird formula
Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 160 (882) heads,.447/.447 lift 222@.050 duration speed pro 327/350hp cam 350 .40 over (356) Edlebrock torker2 and a 600 edlebrock manual choke (1405)
Future mods performer rpm air gap intake (polished) comp roller cam, and way better headsa 400 defintely in the works!
[This message has been edited by burnoutrpm (edited February 06, 2001).]
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Originally posted by The ODB:
if you insist on doing it the hard way (with the TPI), here is my advice.
Forget the runners/baseplate because it's not worth the money vs performance.
Definately get the TFS heads, but I suggest getting the inline-valve version. The twisted wedge has canted valves and you would have to clearance your pistons with extra valve reliefs for the intakes.
The camshaft I run would be great for you TPI combo.
TPI cars generally work best with 3.23:1 rear gears (3.08 & 3.27 ok too).
Don't waste any money on throttle body.
TPI cars respond very well to a good exhaust system, so put some real effort into that area.
My opinion on converters (TC) is that Precision makes the best ones. The GM version is called the vigilante. Get the lowest stall rating possible but with the highest stall-torque ratio. This will match your TPI well, but you will need better tires that will hook. I have had super results using Mcreary road stars on 15X8 inch rims.
Definately run a nitrous system. My opinion is that the dry systems work the best on TPI setups. You will not need big nitrous jets to get great gains from the TPI. Anything from a 32 to a 47 jet should be all you need to whip mustangs.
if you insist on doing it the hard way (with the TPI), here is my advice.
Forget the runners/baseplate because it's not worth the money vs performance.
Definately get the TFS heads, but I suggest getting the inline-valve version. The twisted wedge has canted valves and you would have to clearance your pistons with extra valve reliefs for the intakes.
The camshaft I run would be great for you TPI combo.
TPI cars generally work best with 3.23:1 rear gears (3.08 & 3.27 ok too).
Don't waste any money on throttle body.
TPI cars respond very well to a good exhaust system, so put some real effort into that area.
My opinion on converters (TC) is that Precision makes the best ones. The GM version is called the vigilante. Get the lowest stall rating possible but with the highest stall-torque ratio. This will match your TPI well, but you will need better tires that will hook. I have had super results using Mcreary road stars on 15X8 inch rims.
Definately run a nitrous system. My opinion is that the dry systems work the best on TPI setups. You will not need big nitrous jets to get great gains from the TPI. Anything from a 32 to a 47 jet should be all you need to whip mustangs.
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1989 firebird formula
Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 160 (882) heads,.447/.447 lift 222@.050 duration speed pro 327/350hp cam 350 .40 over (356) Edlebrock torker2 and a 600 edlebrock manual choke (1405)
Future mods performer rpm air gap intake (polished) comp roller cam, and way better headsa 400 defintely in the works!
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[This message has been edited by burnoutrpm (edited February 06, 2001).]
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Okay, not to interupt the ODB bashing (11.8's did sound a little low to me, but then I was thinking a totally stripped down Fbody with a paxton and MAYBE!?!), but does anyone have any real advice about the first question? Thanks...
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I think my post was REAL advice! *shrugs* 
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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 383 stroker w/TPI, Headman Shorty Headers, AFR 190cc Heads, ported intake, comp cam, TPIS air foil, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator (probably Holley), 24 lb/hr SVO injectors, and some sort of aftermarket ignition (undecided)!
Current project: Keeping my car running until I get the money for the above mentioned project! :-)
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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 383 stroker w/TPI, Headman Shorty Headers, AFR 190cc Heads, ported intake, comp cam, TPIS air foil, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator (probably Holley), 24 lb/hr SVO injectors, and some sort of aftermarket ignition (undecided)!
Current project: Keeping my car running until I get the money for the above mentioned project! :-)
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Well I think we have a hard time swallowing a 305 going under the 12 second barrier because of two reason. First, the only 305's I've ever seen run that fast either used a power adder, or was basicly an unstreetable combination (monster cam, Large flowing head with little valves, tunnel rams....etc). Secondly, it hard enough for us 350 folk to get the cars under the 12's so hearing that a small bore, small valve motor that's just as heavy as a 350 can do that hurts our ego's a little bit, if it was to be true. Therefore we dismiss it to rumor. Besides it's real easy to lie about time slips...whch I'm not saying your doing...but it is about a believable as an Iron Duke (2.5 - 4 cyl.) Ferio running the quarter in anything under 13's, no power adder.
86, yes your did post advise...lol
86, yes your did post advise...lol
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Originally posted by Slow Iroc:
Well I think we have a hard time swallowing a 305 going under the 12 second barrier because of two reason. First, the only 305's I've ever seen run that fast either used a power adder, or was basicly an unstreetable combination (monster cam, Large flowing head with little valves, tunnel rams....etc). Secondly, it hard enough for us 350 folk to get the cars under the 12's so hearing that a small bore, small valve motor that's just as heavy as a 350 can do that hurts our ego's a little bit, if it was to be true. Therefore we dismiss it to rumor. Besides it's real easy to lie about time slips...whch I'm not saying your doing...but it is about a believable as an Iron Duke (2.5 - 4 cyl.) Ferio running the quarter in anything under 13's, no power adder.
86, yes your did post advise...lol
Well I think we have a hard time swallowing a 305 going under the 12 second barrier because of two reason. First, the only 305's I've ever seen run that fast either used a power adder, or was basicly an unstreetable combination (monster cam, Large flowing head with little valves, tunnel rams....etc). Secondly, it hard enough for us 350 folk to get the cars under the 12's so hearing that a small bore, small valve motor that's just as heavy as a 350 can do that hurts our ego's a little bit, if it was to be true. Therefore we dismiss it to rumor. Besides it's real easy to lie about time slips...whch I'm not saying your doing...but it is about a believable as an Iron Duke (2.5 - 4 cyl.) Ferio running the quarter in anything under 13's, no power adder.
86, yes your did post advise...lol
By the way I run stock 416 casting heads (ported myself) with the stock valves. I run the same camshaft in the 305 as what I run in the 383 (the very same one).
The 305 is 5 liters just like the ford 302 except that it has way more stroke and torque. Haven't you seen 8,9,10,and 11 second ford 5 liters out there? why would you think the 305 is junk just because most of the faster guys choose not to race with them. There is very little difference in the 305 and 350. You probably see extremely fast 350's out there that are streetable and never question it.
oh well,
I will let all know when it's running at the track again (with 305) and invite you all to come watch & inspect it. I will even take on wagers for a teardown on the spot if someone is sure it's not what I say it is.
I don't know what else it would take?
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Originally posted by 88blkiroc:
305/383 whats that? are u saying you have a 305 stroked to 383?
305/383 whats that? are u saying you have a 305 stroked to 383?
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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 383 stroker w/TPI, Headman Shorty Headers, AFR 190cc Heads, ported intake, comp cam, TPIS air foil, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator (probably Holley), 24 lb/hr SVO injectors, and some sort of aftermarket ignition (undecided)!
Current project: Keeping my car running until I get the money for the above mentioned project! :-)
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just to inform and not to "criticize" a ford 302 and a chevy 305 are both 5 liter, yes, but,....the chevy has a 3.735 bore 3.480 stroke. and the ford is basically a chevy 302 from 1969, having a 4.000 inch bore and a 3.000 inch stroke! and yes fords 302 has ran 11 10 9 and 8 the best ford the fastest ford 302 runs a 7.65 in the quarter! but has a twin turbo setup! so not saying that you can't run the times you indicated,but its definetly got less bore so you'd have to do alot more to get there thats all im saying i think youre streching the truth about how its built is all its not possible from a mechanical piont of view with what you say is done to it and thats all im saying!
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1989 firebird formula
Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 160 (882) heads,.447/.447 lift 222@.050 duration speed pro 327/350hp cam 350 .40 over (356) Edlebrock torker2 and a 600 edlebrock manual choke (1405)
Future mods performer rpm air gap intake (polished) comp roller cam, and way better headsa 400 defintely in the works!
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1989 firebird formula
Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 160 (882) heads,.447/.447 lift 222@.050 duration speed pro 327/350hp cam 350 .40 over (356) Edlebrock torker2 and a 600 edlebrock manual choke (1405)
Future mods performer rpm air gap intake (polished) comp roller cam, and way better headsa 400 defintely in the works!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">White 1986 Irocz, 305/383 with Edlebrock Performer-RPM intake and Performer #1407 carburetor, +110hp shot of crack, 700R-4 tranny, 3.25:1 rear, Mcreary Road-Stars, SLP-stainless 1.75" shortie headers & Y-pipe, single 3" Borla exhaust, Linginfelter-TPI camshaft part number 74216 pulls 17" vacuum solid. Cam specs 213/219 @.050 114-LSA, .462/.470 lift @1.5:1 ratio. MSD-6AL, billet distributor, multi-retard, blaster-3 coil, and RPM switch.
N/A runs 10.9 @124,
Crack-runs 10.3 @135
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N/A runs 10.9 @124,
Crack-runs 10.3 @135
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135 with 110 shot of "crack"??
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yes.. crack is far better than nitrous.. why do you think crack is so popular in la? There are tons of places to get nitrous in la, but even more places to get crack. You will smoke all your competition with crack. just be careful when buying it.. and don't let it all go up in smoke before you get to the track. you might also be able to get a good deal on some track crack. You can also find a 70 pound crack head to drive your car thereby reducing the weight, but only do this if your insurance covers crack heads.
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As my friend Matt pointed out, he runs a 305 engine and a TH350 bored out to a 383. And with that cam, I doubt seriously that you are running anywhere near those times even if your home ported heads were forged by dwarven virgins and washed in the Pope's bathtub!
Please stop giving advise if you are only going to make people dumber for it...
EDIT- And to be comparing the Ford 302 to a Chevy 305 is apples to oranges. They are totally different designs and have completely different characteristics.
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Please stop giving advise if you are only going to make people dumber for it...
EDIT- And to be comparing the Ford 302 to a Chevy 305 is apples to oranges. They are totally different designs and have completely different characteristics.
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Um, it takes about 600hp in a 3300 lb car to run a trap speed of 124 mph in the 1/4 mile.
Are you trying to tell us that you actually have a 600 hp 305 with a 213/219 cam and a dual plane intake that idles with 17" of vacuum??? 2 hp / ci with a dual plane? With that baby cam?
Are you sure that you didnt misread that timeslip? Are you sure that you didnt take 1/8 mile times and "come up with" a MPH for the quarter?
Oh, and I'm both a F-Body and Mustang guy... there arent any n/a 5.0's out there with 220 @.050 cams running 10's... plenty are doing it with boost but not n/a.
Are you trying to tell us that you actually have a 600 hp 305 with a 213/219 cam and a dual plane intake that idles with 17" of vacuum??? 2 hp / ci with a dual plane? With that baby cam?
Are you sure that you didnt misread that timeslip? Are you sure that you didnt take 1/8 mile times and "come up with" a MPH for the quarter?
Oh, and I'm both a F-Body and Mustang guy... there arent any n/a 5.0's out there with 220 @.050 cams running 10's... plenty are doing it with boost but not n/a.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dan W:
Um, it takes about 600hp in a 3300 lb car to run a trap speed of 124 mph in the 1/4 mile.
Are you trying to tell us that you actually have a 600 hp 305 with a 213/219 cam and a dual plane intake that idles with 17" of vacuum??? 2 hp / ci with a dual plane? With that baby cam?
Are you sure that you didnt misread that timeslip? Are you sure that you didnt take 1/8 mile times and "come up with" a MPH for the quarter?
Oh, and I'm both a F-Body and Mustang guy... there arent any n/a 5.0's out there with 220 @.050 cams running 10's... plenty are doing it with boost but not n/a.</font>
Um, it takes about 600hp in a 3300 lb car to run a trap speed of 124 mph in the 1/4 mile.
Are you trying to tell us that you actually have a 600 hp 305 with a 213/219 cam and a dual plane intake that idles with 17" of vacuum??? 2 hp / ci with a dual plane? With that baby cam?
Are you sure that you didnt misread that timeslip? Are you sure that you didnt take 1/8 mile times and "come up with" a MPH for the quarter?
Oh, and I'm both a F-Body and Mustang guy... there arent any n/a 5.0's out there with 220 @.050 cams running 10's... plenty are doing it with boost but not n/a.</font>
DanW
According to my calculator 600 rearwheel horsepower with 3300 lbs would be 132.5 MPH. I have no clue what you're using.
Once again I will say that I run a 305 and sometime swap in the 383. The runs listed in my sig are from the 383.
All the details (intake, cam, etc) in the signature are accurate. Why would I worry that you don't believe it?
My opinion is that the chevy 305 is a much better engine than either the chevy 302 or ford 302 engine for a streetable setup. That is based mostly on the stroke of the crank.
later,
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White 1986 Irocz, 305/383 with Edlebrock Performer-RPM intake and Performer #1407 carburetor, +110hp shot of crack, 700R-4 tranny, 3.25:1 rear, Mcreary Road-Stars, SLP-stainless 1.75" shortie headers & Y-pipe, single 3" Borla exhaust, Linginfelter-TPI camshaft part number 74216 pulls 17" vacuum solid. Cam specs 213/219 @.050 114-LSA, .462/.470 lift @1.5:1 ratio. MSD-6AL, billet distributor, multi-retard, blaster-3 coil, and RPM switch.
N/A runs 10.9 @124,
Crack-runs 10.3 @135
haven't run at track since Oct-99
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Okay, I've heard it all now OBD. The 305 better than a 302 for a performance street motor? Bore is much more benefical for breathing. Bore allows larger valves. Bore allows more surface area of the piston to be exposed to the downward thrust of combustion. Stroke is nice for spinning the tires, swing the tail out, and that seat of your pants fell, but bore makes a motor PULL, which will ultimately allow it to move an equally heavy car faster, because it will develope peak torque (therefore peak HP as HP is a function of Torque) at a high RPM. Off the line power is simply solved by selecting a stall converter about 200-400RPM below peak torque, and a numerically high - low gear ratio. 4 inch bore + 3 inch stroke is a timeless performance combination, Ford or Chevy. The 305 is more of an emissions motor than anything else. However, it's interesting to note that Ford's newer 5.0 (modified 4.6L) performs very well, and shares bore/stroke ratios very similar to the 305. It's sure as hell no 550-600HP monster however, plus it has modular design in it's favor.
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The ODB - I can come to kinda sorta believing you with a 383, maybe. But, im not gona badmouth you cause your MFBA and I got to respect the club link. If you want to prove your times, come out and run with me at RT.66 or me and the rest of the MFBA @ US.41. I have seen some weird crap at the track, so I wont say no way, but i can understand why some people are sceptical. If you do go out to the track and i see your run, Ill back you up no problem. And if you can run those times, your my new best friend want to help set up my engine? hehehe L8er bro.
and BTW, my original question was from my own confusion, i didnt actually think that you said you had a 305 stroked to 383, I dont think ANYONE is that dumb. just didnt understand wht the 305/383 thingy ment.
want to help set up my engine? hehehe L8er bro.and BTW, my original question was from my own confusion, i didnt actually think that you said you had a 305 stroked to 383, I dont think ANYONE is that dumb. just didnt understand wht the 305/383 thingy ment.
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No 383 will run 124 mph with the cam you are using N/A. Not even with 300 +cfm heads on it and 13.1 compression. A 110 shot of N20 will not even make a 124 mph car run 135 mph. Quit with the BSing already.
Oh yeah, TFS heads and 11.1 compression is what you are running on your 383. Drop 8 mph off your times, and it sounds about right. And that is with hogged out TFS heads.
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Oh yeah, TFS heads and 11.1 compression is what you are running on your 383. Drop 8 mph off your times, and it sounds about right. And that is with hogged out TFS heads.
[This message has been edited by Kevin G (edited February 07, 2001).]
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kevin G:
No 383 will run 124 mph with the cam you are using N/A. Not even with 300 +cfm heads on it and 13.1 compression. A 110 shot of N20 will not even make a 124 mph car run 135 mph. Quit with the BSing already.
Oh yeah, TFS heads and 11.1 compression is what you are running on your 383. Drop 8 mph off your times, and it sounds about right. And that is with hogged out TFS heads.
[This message has been edited by Kevin G (edited February 07, 2001).]</font>
No 383 will run 124 mph with the cam you are using N/A. Not even with 300 +cfm heads on it and 13.1 compression. A 110 shot of N20 will not even make a 124 mph car run 135 mph. Quit with the BSing already.
Oh yeah, TFS heads and 11.1 compression is what you are running on your 383. Drop 8 mph off your times, and it sounds about right. And that is with hogged out TFS heads.
[This message has been edited by Kevin G (edited February 07, 2001).]</font>
Slow Iroc, you just told on yourself again. I need not say anything else.
blkiroc, Keith has invited me to the memphis meet and he may be out with us friday or saturday night in south county st louis. He has vouched for me on the MFBA board. He knows some close friends of mine that also race at Gateway.
Kevin G,
How much cash are you willing to bet on your guess? If you come to gateway and want a teardown then put the cash up for that too. I will agree to anything over $500.
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BTW,
If all you want is solid 12's on motor,you don't need the expensive AFR head.
Edelbrocks/Trickflows are around a $1000 or so and will take you into the 12's out of the box easily.
Get the edelbrock TPI manifold,Slp runners,cam around the ZZ9 specs or so,with the aformentioned heads.
Converter is big also...2500-2800 rpm
3.73 gears.
Get all the traction you can as well...subframes,boxed lowers,panhard rod,etc.
Follow up with decent exhaust/cold air.
With traction you could run mid 12's...with a little nitrous 12.0/11.9s
If all you want is solid 12's on motor,you don't need the expensive AFR head.
Edelbrocks/Trickflows are around a $1000 or so and will take you into the 12's out of the box easily.
Get the edelbrock TPI manifold,Slp runners,cam around the ZZ9 specs or so,with the aformentioned heads.
Converter is big also...2500-2800 rpm
3.73 gears.
Get all the traction you can as well...subframes,boxed lowers,panhard rod,etc.
Follow up with decent exhaust/cold air.
With traction you could run mid 12's...with a little nitrous 12.0/11.9s
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The ODB:
DanW
According to my calculator 600 rearwheel horsepower with 3300 lbs would be 132.5 MPH. I have no clue what you're using.
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DanW
According to my calculator 600 rearwheel horsepower with 3300 lbs would be 132.5 MPH. I have no clue what you're using.
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Car: 1986 Trans Am, 1991 Firebird
Engine: 355 TPI, 3.1L V6
Transmission: 700R4 in both
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The ODB:
According to my calculator 600 rearwheel horsepower with 3300 lbs would be 132.5 MPH. </font>
According to my calculator 600 rearwheel horsepower with 3300 lbs would be 132.5 MPH. </font>
I'll say it again....I DO believe you ran 10.9.....ON A 1000 FT. TRACK! That would compute to about 12.9 1/4 mile time so that might even be pushing it!! And who knows where you came up with the MPH...probably from that sick head of yours!
Here comes the BS flag....I got one raised for ya too! LMAO!!
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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 383 stroker w/TPI, Headman Shorty Headers, AFR 190cc Heads, ported intake, comp cam, TPIS air foil, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator (probably Holley), 24 lb/hr SVO injectors, and some sort of aftermarket ignition (undecided)!
Current project: Keeping my car running until I get the money for the above mentioned project! :-)
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well looks like you swap engines alot!! must have alot of money for antifreeze!! 305 no way and with your 383 still.... no way those times are just not mechanically possible! not with your "wondercam" oohh scary hell i have half the mods and id beat your *** with my 356!! tuning goes a long way!!! hell my friends "dead 200,000 mile 305 colud spank you like a bitch!.!!! i may sound like all talk... but, so do you !!!
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1989 firebird formula
Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 160 (882) heads,.447/.447 lift 222@.050 duration speed pro 327/350hp cam 350 .40 over (356) Edlebrock torker2 and a 600 edlebrock manual choke (1405)
Future mods performer rpm air gap intake (polished) comp roller cam, and way better headsa 400 defintely in the works!
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1989 firebird formula
Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 160 (882) heads,.447/.447 lift 222@.050 duration speed pro 327/350hp cam 350 .40 over (356) Edlebrock torker2 and a 600 edlebrock manual choke (1405)
Future mods performer rpm air gap intake (polished) comp roller cam, and way better headsa 400 defintely in the works!
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wow what did I miss here?
oh well, whatever makes you guys feel better.
If those of you who are close to Gateway in St Louis are really serious then you'd simply challenge me to a race instead of this flaming nonsense. But we all know that nobody will step up with the cash. Still I'm open for challenges just to set an example. Just make it at least $500 ok, and another $500 if you demand teardown.
anybody?
the car will be out this season.
oh well, whatever makes you guys feel better.
If those of you who are close to Gateway in St Louis are really serious then you'd simply challenge me to a race instead of this flaming nonsense. But we all know that nobody will step up with the cash. Still I'm open for challenges just to set an example. Just make it at least $500 ok, and another $500 if you demand teardown.
anybody?
the car will be out this season.
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Let me see if I can set the record stright.I have a 87 Iroc 350 car dailey driver.Its a sharp car mostly stock runs 14.50. My other camaro is a 68 ss bracket car, that I have owned for 20 years. The ss is all steel,and weighs 2865 with me in it. Motor is 355 cubic inches. Six inch rod,3.48 stroke,4.030 bore. J&E .450 dome pistons produce 14/1 compression ratio with 220 AFR cnc heads. Camshaft is lunati #50140 640 lift 320 duration,intake valve size 2.10 exhaust 1.625. Bow tie intake with 1050 domonator. 12 bolt rear with 4:56 gears 29x11.5 slicks. The car leaves at 5500, 60 foots 1.47, shifts at 7500, and runs 10.40s at 130mph depending on temp. Motor was dynoed at 590 hp 3 years ago. I run super pro at RT 66 dragstrip. I ask myself how can a guy (ODB)push a 3500 pound car 1320 feet in 10.9 seconds! It takes about 650hp motor to the track to do that. ODB your combination makes around 350-400 hp 13.10 in 86 Iroc. ENUFF IS ENUFF.
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JB I am really sorry your car has so many problems, but it is a completely different car than mine. You've never seen my car. You've never seen my car run. How in the world do you just know all this information? maybe it's FM (f#king magic)?
Maybe you'd like to come get some of my 86Iroc huh?
I will be here.
p.s. this is getting very annoying.
Maybe you'd like to come get some of my 86Iroc huh?
I will be here.
p.s. this is getting very annoying.
To answer the first post get a converter first-with some 245/50 Nittos or 255s BFGs at about 24 PSI you will be very tough to beat out of the hole. I say get a 2800 Vigilante-the best but pricey. That stang will get a bad whipping. The converter will make a big difference. I like the stock intake on 13 sec cars-if your runners have dings in them get some Vette ones that are straight.
TRACTION wins races on the street-the L98 is a great car to run on the street due to the power at low rpms. Most Ford guys are stupid in realizing the potential of the car.
Now for the troll. You run those times on a stock rear? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
110 Shot? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Must be a new jet size.
You name a time at least 2 months from now and I will show up at Gateway to view this car and then run you.
If you run 10s with a 700R4 what shield are you running?
Injectors?
Engine management?
I bet that stock rear passes tech with those little itty bitty wheel studs
A 10 sec car like that needs 10 inch wide tire about 28" high-how did you fit it?
Kevin G has worked on more F bodies than I can count-2 cars were in mags,worked almost 8 years for GM,his LT1 dynoed 290ish with just cold air and full exhaust and went 109 MPH. Yet a troll like you saying a 305 motor is great to mod to go 10s knows more than him?????
Jackass of the month the Ford 302 has a more desirable stroke. That 305 cam has some monster specs and those 305 heads are modded all of the time-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
A 305 90 and up car with dual cats,5 speed and tpi is pretty quick car. But after a while the heads,cam and intake become throw away items. Gee that block can't really be stroked to high cubes. Yet a 305 is the same as a 350 car?????
I am sure you will claim blah blah but its easy to run your mouth on the internet far from everyone. I am suprised kevin91Z has not gotten a good laugh from this clown
Tell you what big mouth-I know people in Chicago right now and in your club-Pure Evil Pro Stock John etc... **** Iroc Pete had more work than you and ran slower. I'll find out if you are real or just a troll with a good imagination and talking smack cause you got smoked one too many times.
TRACTION wins races on the street-the L98 is a great car to run on the street due to the power at low rpms. Most Ford guys are stupid in realizing the potential of the car.
Now for the troll. You run those times on a stock rear? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
110 Shot? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Must be a new jet size.
You name a time at least 2 months from now and I will show up at Gateway to view this car and then run you.
If you run 10s with a 700R4 what shield are you running?
Injectors?
Engine management?
I bet that stock rear passes tech with those little itty bitty wheel studs
A 10 sec car like that needs 10 inch wide tire about 28" high-how did you fit it?
Kevin G has worked on more F bodies than I can count-2 cars were in mags,worked almost 8 years for GM,his LT1 dynoed 290ish with just cold air and full exhaust and went 109 MPH. Yet a troll like you saying a 305 motor is great to mod to go 10s knows more than him?????
Jackass of the month the Ford 302 has a more desirable stroke. That 305 cam has some monster specs and those 305 heads are modded all of the time-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
A 305 90 and up car with dual cats,5 speed and tpi is pretty quick car. But after a while the heads,cam and intake become throw away items. Gee that block can't really be stroked to high cubes. Yet a 305 is the same as a 350 car?????
I am sure you will claim blah blah but its easy to run your mouth on the internet far from everyone. I am suprised kevin91Z has not gotten a good laugh from this clown
Tell you what big mouth-I know people in Chicago right now and in your club-Pure Evil Pro Stock John etc... **** Iroc Pete had more work than you and ran slower. I'll find out if you are real or just a troll with a good imagination and talking smack cause you got smoked one too many times.
BTW Troll you fail to mention that TFS heads have weak valve springs that require replacing with any cam over 500 lift.
10s with SLP short headers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
LPE CAM!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!-That is a 114 MPH cam with a head that flows 250 or so cfms at 550 lift. Jesus that is a mild long runner intake cam.
700R4 on a 135 MPH car? Yea that steep first gear must work wonders for you. With 325 gears how in the hell are you going that fast with out going in overdrive(which would kill ET). Sorry but using 28" slicks with a "325" gears would require one hell of a converter to sixty worth a ****.
I can't believe you troll. A shame you ruin what should have been a decent thread for some nice beginner tech.
BTW jackass who makes a 325 gear?
Like I said I will run you for 500 bucks and tear your motor for 500 bucks to prove you are a clown. Name a time and place. I'll be in Chicago the 2nd week of March-I'll be happy to look at this wonder car.
I run 11s on motor and with my poweradder well you will see. And Kevin G knows my car so don't try to say I am a troll-Guido has met me as well
[This message has been edited by Mike 92LX (edited February 07, 2001).]
10s with SLP short headers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
LPE CAM!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!-That is a 114 MPH cam with a head that flows 250 or so cfms at 550 lift. Jesus that is a mild long runner intake cam.
700R4 on a 135 MPH car? Yea that steep first gear must work wonders for you. With 325 gears how in the hell are you going that fast with out going in overdrive(which would kill ET). Sorry but using 28" slicks with a "325" gears would require one hell of a converter to sixty worth a ****.
I can't believe you troll. A shame you ruin what should have been a decent thread for some nice beginner tech.
BTW jackass who makes a 325 gear?
Like I said I will run you for 500 bucks and tear your motor for 500 bucks to prove you are a clown. Name a time and place. I'll be in Chicago the 2nd week of March-I'll be happy to look at this wonder car.
I run 11s on motor and with my poweradder well you will see. And Kevin G knows my car so don't try to say I am a troll-Guido has met me as well
[This message has been edited by Mike 92LX (edited February 07, 2001).]
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike 92LX:
To answer the first post get a converter first-with some 245/50 Nittos or 255s BFGs at about 24 PSI you will be very tough to beat out of the hole. I say get a 2800 Vigilante-the best but pricey. That stang will get a bad whipping. The converter will make a big difference. I like the stock intake on 13 sec cars-if your runners have dings in them get some Vette ones that are straight.
TRACTION wins races on the street-the L98 is a great car to run on the street due to the power at low rpms. Most Ford guys are stupid in realizing the potential of the car.
Now for the troll. You run those times on a stock rear? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
110 Shot? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Must be a new jet size.
You name a time at least 2 months from now and I will show up at Gateway to view this car and then run you.
If you run 10s with a 700R4 what shield are you running?
Injectors?
Engine management?
I bet that stock rear passes tech with those little itty bitty wheel studs
A 10 sec car like that needs 10 inch wide tire about 28" high-how did you fit it?
Kevin G has worked on more F bodies than I can count-2 cars were in mags,worked almost 8 years for GM,his LT1 dynoed 290ish with just cold air and full exhaust and went 109 MPH. Yet a troll like you saying a 305 motor is great to mod to go 10s knows more than him?????
Jackass of the month the Ford 302 has a more desirable stroke. That 305 cam has some monster specs and those 305 heads are modded all of the time-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
A 305 90 and up car with dual cats,5 speed and tpi is pretty quick car. But after a while the heads,cam and intake become throw away items. Gee that block can't really be stroked to high cubes. Yet a 305 is the same as a 350 car?????
I am sure you will claim blah blah but its easy to run your mouth on the internet far from everyone. I am suprised kevin91Z has not gotten a good laugh from this clown
Tell you what big mouth-I know people in Chicago right now and in your club-Pure Evil Pro Stock John etc... **** Iroc Pete had more work than you and ran slower. I'll find out if you are real or just a troll with a good imagination and talking smack cause you got smoked one too many times. </font>
To answer the first post get a converter first-with some 245/50 Nittos or 255s BFGs at about 24 PSI you will be very tough to beat out of the hole. I say get a 2800 Vigilante-the best but pricey. That stang will get a bad whipping. The converter will make a big difference. I like the stock intake on 13 sec cars-if your runners have dings in them get some Vette ones that are straight.
TRACTION wins races on the street-the L98 is a great car to run on the street due to the power at low rpms. Most Ford guys are stupid in realizing the potential of the car.
Now for the troll. You run those times on a stock rear? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
110 Shot? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Must be a new jet size.
You name a time at least 2 months from now and I will show up at Gateway to view this car and then run you.
If you run 10s with a 700R4 what shield are you running?
Injectors?
Engine management?
I bet that stock rear passes tech with those little itty bitty wheel studs
A 10 sec car like that needs 10 inch wide tire about 28" high-how did you fit it?
Kevin G has worked on more F bodies than I can count-2 cars were in mags,worked almost 8 years for GM,his LT1 dynoed 290ish with just cold air and full exhaust and went 109 MPH. Yet a troll like you saying a 305 motor is great to mod to go 10s knows more than him?????
Jackass of the month the Ford 302 has a more desirable stroke. That 305 cam has some monster specs and those 305 heads are modded all of the time-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
A 305 90 and up car with dual cats,5 speed and tpi is pretty quick car. But after a while the heads,cam and intake become throw away items. Gee that block can't really be stroked to high cubes. Yet a 305 is the same as a 350 car?????
I am sure you will claim blah blah but its easy to run your mouth on the internet far from everyone. I am suprised kevin91Z has not gotten a good laugh from this clown
Tell you what big mouth-I know people in Chicago right now and in your club-Pure Evil Pro Stock John etc... **** Iroc Pete had more work than you and ran slower. I'll find out if you are real or just a troll with a good imagination and talking smack cause you got smoked one too many times. </font>
hello troll,
KevinG would probably go down just like you would. Stop talking smack and offer a money race so you can be my example.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike 92LX:
BTW Troll you fail to mention that TFS heads have weak valve springs that require replacing with any cam over 500 lift.
10s with SLP short headers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
LPE CAM!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!-That is a 114 MPH cam with a head that flows 250 or so cfms at 550 lift. Jesus that is a mild long runner intake cam.
700R4 on a 135 MPH car? Yea that steep first gear must work wonders for you. With 325 gears how in the hell are you going that fast with out going in overdrive(which would kill ET). Sorry but using 28" slicks with a "325" gears would require one hell of a converter to sixty worth a ****.
I can't believe you troll. A shame you ruin what should have been a decent thread for some nice beginner tech.
BTW jackass who makes a 325 gear?
Like I said I will run you for 500 bucks and tear your motor for 500 bucks to prove you are a clown. Name a time and place. I'll be in Chicago the 2nd week of March-I'll be happy to look at this wonder car.
I run 11s on motor and with my poweradder well you will see. And Kevin G knows my car so don't try to say I am a troll-Guido has met me as well
[This message has been edited by Mike 92LX (edited February 07, 2001).]</font>
BTW Troll you fail to mention that TFS heads have weak valve springs that require replacing with any cam over 500 lift.
10s with SLP short headers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
LPE CAM!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!-That is a 114 MPH cam with a head that flows 250 or so cfms at 550 lift. Jesus that is a mild long runner intake cam.
700R4 on a 135 MPH car? Yea that steep first gear must work wonders for you. With 325 gears how in the hell are you going that fast with out going in overdrive(which would kill ET). Sorry but using 28" slicks with a "325" gears would require one hell of a converter to sixty worth a ****.
I can't believe you troll. A shame you ruin what should have been a decent thread for some nice beginner tech.
BTW jackass who makes a 325 gear?
Like I said I will run you for 500 bucks and tear your motor for 500 bucks to prove you are a clown. Name a time and place. I'll be in Chicago the 2nd week of March-I'll be happy to look at this wonder car.
I run 11s on motor and with my poweradder well you will see. And Kevin G knows my car so don't try to say I am a troll-Guido has met me as well
[This message has been edited by Mike 92LX (edited February 07, 2001).]</font>
Why would you make yourself look so silly like this? 3.25 is a ford ratio.
I will not be racing in march but later in the summer. I will take your bet then no problem. It will be worth $1000 just for a run and a teardown. By the way a third party will hold the money in advance of the run and teardown. NO B.S.
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Hey ODB if you got a TBI it would surely propell you into the 9's. I mean comon. Everyone knows that TBI rulez and that its power cannot be equalled by ANY other induction system. Even carbs pale in comparison to the air flow capacity, efficiency, and torque producing capabilities of a stock 305 TBI car.
Get a TBI and then your car will really run the numbers you say and then we will know you are not lying.
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89RS w/ Rawidiot power package
Powerhouse 334 stroker
ported heads
stock cam
NOS octane booster
18.93 @ 69mph
Get a TBI and then your car will really run the numbers you say and then we will know you are not lying.
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89RS w/ Rawidiot power package
Powerhouse 334 stroker
ported heads
stock cam
NOS octane booster
18.93 @ 69mph
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Let me get this right...
You want to bet 1000 bucks that you will run at least a 10.9@124 normally aspirated with a LPE 74216 cam and a 700R4 trans. LOL
I cant count how many times I have seen posts like this before.
Let me post this somewhere .. I am sure some of my friends local to you will definately take that offer..
Go ahead now and list ALL of your mods to run that N/A 10.9@124 time.
[This message has been edited by Kevin G (edited February 08, 2001).]
You want to bet 1000 bucks that you will run at least a 10.9@124 normally aspirated with a LPE 74216 cam and a 700R4 trans. LOL
I cant count how many times I have seen posts like this before.
Let me post this somewhere .. I am sure some of my friends local to you will definately take that offer..
Go ahead now and list ALL of your mods to run that N/A 10.9@124 time.
[This message has been edited by Kevin G (edited February 08, 2001).]
If you run these times you would have these mods NOW.
gear ratios for the 9" rear:
310
333
350
356
360
364
gear ratios for the 8.8"
308
327
355
No 325 gears for a Ford jackass.
BTW NONE of the guys in your group have ever heard of you that I emailed(Russ,Tony Banks,Tim Jackson). What is your real name and what does your car look like?
If you are reallt in that club who has the fastest third gen? Who is your club president?
Emd of the summer???? Yea I am sure that will happen.
What size piston are you running? CC of head??? Again you fail to answer my questions and just keep blah blah.
Like I said I'll be up in March. Tell me where this wonder ride is so I can look at it.
Go to www .tealnet.com-look for my car.
Go to www.mustang-camaro.com/motm./0200/index.htm
Keep the BS comming troll. I'll be in in March with my money.
gear ratios for the 9" rear:
310
333
350
356
360
364
gear ratios for the 8.8"
308
327
355
No 325 gears for a Ford jackass.
BTW NONE of the guys in your group have ever heard of you that I emailed(Russ,Tony Banks,Tim Jackson). What is your real name and what does your car look like?
If you are reallt in that club who has the fastest third gen? Who is your club president?
Emd of the summer???? Yea I am sure that will happen.
What size piston are you running? CC of head??? Again you fail to answer my questions and just keep blah blah.
Like I said I'll be up in March. Tell me where this wonder ride is so I can look at it.
Go to www .tealnet.com-look for my car.
Go to www.mustang-camaro.com/motm./0200/index.htm
Keep the BS comming troll. I'll be in in March with my money.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike 92LX:
If you run these times you would have these mods NOW.
gear ratios for the 9" rear:
310
333
350
356
360
364
gear ratios for the 8.8"
308
327
355
No 325 gears for a Ford jackass.
BTW NONE of the guys in your group have ever heard of you that I emailed(Russ,Tony Banks,Tim Jackson). What is your real name and what does your car look like?
If you are reallt in that club who has the fastest third gen? Who is your club president?
Emd of the summer???? Yea I am sure that will happen.
What size piston are you running? CC of head??? Again you fail to answer my questions and just keep blah blah.
Like I said I'll be up in March. Tell me where this wonder ride is so I can look at it.
Go to www .tealnet.com-look for my car.
Go to www.mustang-camaro.com/motm./0200/index.htm
Keep the BS comming troll. I'll be in in March with my money.</font>
If you run these times you would have these mods NOW.
gear ratios for the 9" rear:
310
333
350
356
360
364
gear ratios for the 8.8"
308
327
355
No 325 gears for a Ford jackass.
BTW NONE of the guys in your group have ever heard of you that I emailed(Russ,Tony Banks,Tim Jackson). What is your real name and what does your car look like?
If you are reallt in that club who has the fastest third gen? Who is your club president?
Emd of the summer???? Yea I am sure that will happen.
What size piston are you running? CC of head??? Again you fail to answer my questions and just keep blah blah.
Like I said I'll be up in March. Tell me where this wonder ride is so I can look at it.
Go to www .tealnet.com-look for my car.
Go to www.mustang-camaro.com/motm./0200/index.htm
Keep the BS comming troll. I'll be in in March with my money.</font>
Ok I'm quoting you so that people who actually know something can see the truth about you before you get a chance to edit your mistakes.
How is it Mr expert that you're not familiar with factory ford 9" ratios? hmmm maybe you don't really know as much as you think.
I'm pretty sure I have a link in my profile to a msg board consisting of locals that know me very well. I invite you to come as your questions. I also invite you to show up in South County St Louis (Hooters) this friday night @ 10:00pm and my friend shawn will race you. I will put up the money no problem. Shawn has a stock 98-LS1 T/A (blue with welds) with automatic + 2.73 rear gears. He has not yet posted a better track time than me but if you can't beat him then don't bug me. We will be there, just come up and ask for a race.
Shawn is "ta2slow" on the other msg board.
My car is white with a daytona hood and weld wheels.
My heads are TFS with 61cc. My pistons are uh heh heh extra large. What kind of question is that? It's a 383, .030 350-block with 3.75" crank and 5.7" rods. Why wouldn't you know this as well?
The wonder ride is now in my garage @belle valley in south east Belleville, first duplex on the right.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You want to bet 1000 bucks that you will run at least a 10.9@124 normally aspirated with a LPE 74216 cam and a 700R4 trans.</font>
Next you need to list your mods you will have to run this for teardown purposes.
I will damn sure take the bet mentioned above.
Funny how you wont even have the car road worthy until well after March LOL and havent even been to the track since 99 with it.
As Mike mentioned, what is your name, so we can get some locals into this also. I am sure they will want to take your money on this one also....
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So mike do you have a mustang?
I also have an 85 mustang GT in the garage. It's also white with a cowlhood and welds. It has a 351C with Edlebrock carb & intake, C4 automatic and 3.27:1 gears (8.8"). Last time at the track was October 1996 when it ran a best of 11.09 @ 124mph on street tires. I suppose this car does not exist either? I have all these runs on video tape and the cars are sitting in my garage. Many people around my area know about both of these cars. Ask away.
ODB
I also have an 85 mustang GT in the garage. It's also white with a cowlhood and welds. It has a 351C with Edlebrock carb & intake, C4 automatic and 3.27:1 gears (8.8"). Last time at the track was October 1996 when it ran a best of 11.09 @ 124mph on street tires. I suppose this car does not exist either? I have all these runs on video tape and the cars are sitting in my garage. Many people around my area know about both of these cars. Ask away.
ODB
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Car: 84 SVO
Engine: Volvo headed 2.3T
Transmission: WCT5
Axle/Gears: 8.8" 3.73
I want time slips...
a 383 with ported stock heads..mild cam...110 shot of juice..stock rear..highway gears...10.9????
so who was pushing you?
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79 Chevy Malibu Cpe
305 TPI/700-R4,
Custom Turbocharged,
ported upper and lower intake,
214,224 duration .450I .465E lift
749ECM,custom eprom,
Website:
www.turbotpi.homestead.com/SATURN5.html
a 383 with ported stock heads..mild cam...110 shot of juice..stock rear..highway gears...10.9????
so who was pushing you?
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79 Chevy Malibu Cpe
305 TPI/700-R4,
Custom Turbocharged,
ported upper and lower intake,
214,224 duration .450I .465E lift
749ECM,custom eprom,
Website:
www.turbotpi.homestead.com/SATURN5.html
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kevin G:
First you need to confirm these specifics of the bet.
Next you need to list your mods you will have to run this for teardown purposes.
I will damn sure take the bet mentioned above.
Funny how you wont even have the car road worthy until well after March LOL and havent even been to the track since 99 with it.
As Mike mentioned, what is your name, so we can get some locals into this also. I am sure they will want to take your money on this one also....</font>
First you need to confirm these specifics of the bet.
Next you need to list your mods you will have to run this for teardown purposes.
I will damn sure take the bet mentioned above.
Funny how you wont even have the car road worthy until well after March LOL and havent even been to the track since 99 with it.
As Mike mentioned, what is your name, so we can get some locals into this also. I am sure they will want to take your money on this one also....
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The locals know me as Bo. I have already taken their money, all but a handful.
I do not care much for the racetrack. I'm not a bracket guy at all. I only go for TT and to get correction factors for my vericom2000.
I do not take the fast cars out during the winter. I drive a beater omni while it's nasty. I also work full time 12-hour shifts for the military and have to make time for engine swaps and prep before racing.
I spent last year helping my friend Shawn at the racetrack and working on some carb mods.
ODB
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Jesus H Christ, you cant answer a simple question???, quit dodgeing it already. You claimed a 10.9 @ 124 mph with the 74216 cam on a 383 and 700R4 trans, TFS heads normally aspirated..... That is my bet. You cant and wont ever hit those mph with that setup YOU claimed you did. I will bet 1000 bucks on it.
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From: Springfield, MO, USA
Car: 1986 Trans Am, 1991 Firebird
Engine: 355 TPI, 3.1L V6
Transmission: 700R4 in both
Hey ODB.....what size runners do those TFS heads have???
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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 383 stroker w/TPI, Headman Shorty Headers, AFR 190cc Heads, ported intake, comp cam, TPIS air foil, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator (probably Holley), 24 lb/hr SVO injectors, and some sort of aftermarket ignition (undecided)!
Current project: Keeping my car running until I get the money for the above mentioned project! :-)
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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 383 stroker w/TPI, Headman Shorty Headers, AFR 190cc Heads, ported intake, comp cam, TPIS air foil, Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator (probably Holley), 24 lb/hr SVO injectors, and some sort of aftermarket ignition (undecided)!
Current project: Keeping my car running until I get the money for the above mentioned project! :-)