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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 11:55 AM
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What are these things?

I found a couple more things during my engine swap that I would like to know what they are and I can't figure it out. First thing is a little sensor looking thing that plugs right into the bottom side of the plenum in the back with one single connector going to it. What is it??

Second, on the passenger side firewall with the wiring harness there are two connectors. Once connector is a two wire connector, one green and one black. Next to it is a single one wire connector with a red wire. The connectors are a long type connector. Different looking than most of the others on the engine. I'm trying to figure out what these are because the red single wire connector looks quite fried and the two wire connector next to it has a little melted plastic on it which I'm guessing is from the fried connector. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 11:59 AM
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The sensor under the back of the plenum is the manifold air temp sensor. The two connectors, I just don't know...... Someone else will though.
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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 12:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ploegi:
The sensor under the back of the plenum is the manifold air temp sensor. The two connectors, I just don't know...... Someone else will though.</font>

If that's the Manifold Air Temp Sensor then what's the sensor that plugs into the front of the passenger side of the intake?
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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 04:10 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
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The green & black wires in that connector might very well be for the A/C accumulator switch.

the single RED wire belongs in the same area, I cannot remember what it does off hand.

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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 04:21 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by okfoz:
The green & black wires in that connector might very well be for the A/C accumulator switch.

the single RED wire belongs in the same area, I cannot remember what it does off hand.

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Sounds like AC stuff to me. Could explain why my AC never put out cold air. Oh well, my AC has been eliminated for now anyhow. Thanks for the help.
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Old Nov 4, 2001 | 08:41 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 86TpiTransAm:

If that's the Manifold Air Temp Sensor then what's the sensor that plugs into the front of the passenger side of the intake?
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the air temp sensor is under the plenum, i know this cause i replaced mine today.
but i can't think of another sensor, is in on the upper plenum or the base?



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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 02:41 AM
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From: In your ear. No, the other one.
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The fried connector you're referring to is for the cabins heat/vent fan. it provides juice to the blower motor directly from the battery when at max. if your fan is not working at its max setting, but is on lower settings, this little guy is the culprit.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 02:58 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mangus:
The fried connector you're referring to is for the cabins heat/vent fan. it provides juice to the blower motor directly from the battery when at max. if your fan is not working at its max setting, but is on lower settings, this little guy is the culprit.

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Fan works on ALL cycles at ALL speeds.
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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 03:03 PM
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The sensor on the front of the engine is the CTS - coolant temp sensor. The sensor under the plenum is the MAT - manifold air temp sensor. If you look you'll notice they are the exact same part, even share a PN for most years.
As to the others, dunno, never looked at an 86 that hard. Perhaps vader will chime in, he has an 86 and i'm sure he'll know if he lookst at it.

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Old Nov 5, 2001 | 10:14 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ed Maher:
Perhaps vader will chime in, he has an 86 and i'm sure he'll know if he lookst at it.

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I posted this over on the electronics board and Vader already responded. His guess was something to do with the AC/fan as well. Considering my AC has been eliminated and the heaters works just fine on all cycles and all speeds I'm not too worried about it anymore.
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Old Nov 7, 2001 | 09:14 AM
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On your 86, there are two sensors in the front of your manifold.

- Cold start injector switch (looks like a fuel injector plug)
- ECM Coolant Temp Sensor (small oval)


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Old Nov 7, 2001 | 02:28 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Desert86Roc:
On your 86, there are two sensors in the front of your manifold.

- Cold start injector switch (looks like a fuel injector plug)
- ECM Coolant Temp Sensor (small oval)


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Thanks, I was wondering what that other one was. I noticed that one I had unplugged came undone just like the injtectors. Makes sense now. Any idea on how often those go bad?
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Old Nov 7, 2001 | 09:31 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 86TpiTransAm:

If that's the Manifold Air Temp Sensor then what's the sensor that plugs into the front of the passenger side of the intake?
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if you are talking about the one under the TPS, then it is the IAC motor.
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Old Nov 7, 2001 | 09:40 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 86TpiTransAm:
I found a couple more things during my engine swap that I would like to know what they are and I can't figure it out. First thing is a little sensor looking thing that plugs right into the bottom side of the plenum in the back with one single connector going to it. What is it??

Second, on the passenger side firewall with the wiring harness there are two connectors. Once connector is a two wire connector, one green and one black. Next to it is a single one wire connector with a red wire. The connectors are a long type connector. Different looking than most of the others on the engine. I'm trying to figure out what these are because the red single wire connector looks quite fried and the two wire connector next to it has a little melted plastic on it which I'm guessing is from the fried connector. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

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yes the red wire goes to the a/c relay located on the evaporater housing. the black and "green" is actually a blue color which goes to the low pressure switch that is on the accumulator. i have the same car you do just with 3.27 gears.

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Old Nov 7, 2001 | 10:03 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mrr23:
if you are talking about the one under the TPS, then it is the IAC motor.</font>
Actually the IAC motor is located on the throttle body, I was talkin' about the two on the intake BELOW the throttle body. I know what they are now.... thanks
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