Rocker Studs pull out with 1.6 RR?
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Car: 90' Firebird Formula 350
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Rocker Studs pull out with 1.6 RR?
I started installing 1.6 Full roller rocker arms, and once I got the valve cover off I realized something that made me cringe. The L98 has those damnable press fit rocker studs. Several years ago in an 85' Monte SS with the L69, I did comp cams 1.6 roller tip rocker arms and it began pulling the studs out of the heads. Rather than drill through the studs and install pins, I put the stock rockers back on the 305. Now I am wondering if the full roller will make a difference from just the roller tips when it comes to reducing the chance of pulling the studs from the heads.
Has anyone had this happen on an L98 with full roller rockers? I did a search and it looks like one guy did back in 2007. How common is this? Remind me to kick GM in the ***** for putting such a stupid set up in their SBC's.
Has anyone had this happen on an L98 with full roller rockers? I did a search and it looks like one guy did back in 2007. How common is this? Remind me to kick GM in the ***** for putting such a stupid set up in their SBC's.
Last edited by Dark Ember; Jun 18, 2010 at 07:15 PM.
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Re: Rocker Studs pull out with 1.6 RR?
is to do with extra leverage from 1.6 ratio .
If the rocker can pull the stud up instead of pushing the valve down it will do so .Same problem arises when fitting heavier springs to push in stud heads
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Car: 90' Firebird Formula 350
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Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Rocker Studs pull out with 1.6 RR?
Anyone ever tried tack welding the stud to the head? I know its risky because the head will get hot and may shift the metal just enough to cause a head gasket leak. But, a tack weld only takes a second, and should be the extra bit of hold needed to prevent this. If I decide to risk it, I could have someone spinning the waterpump pulley as I do it, just to circulate the heat better. I dont care about what it does to the head, because if I ever take the stock L98 heads off for any reason, I am definitly going to replace them with something better.
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Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: Rocker Studs pull out with 1.6 RR?
Notwithstanding you are trying to weld a steel stud to a cast iron head ; different metals
Last edited by vetteoz; Jun 20, 2010 at 01:09 AM.
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Car: 90' Firebird Formula 350
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Rocker Studs pull out with 1.6 RR?
Ok so I installed the driver side head rocker arms and new valve seals. I decided to take the good advice mentioned above and not tackweld the studs. The smoke on start up is much better but of course not gone because I only did 1 side. Its been a few weeks since I completed this project, and I have put probably 300 miles on the car since then, most of which came from the Texas State Wide Gathering 3 hours away.
So far.. *crossing fingers* I have not heard the tell tale tapping sign of a rocker stud pulling out. I think I may be one of the lucky ones who wont have the problem of them backing out. In another month or so, if there are still no issues, I will install them on the passenger side head. Just sharing my happy, hopefully, success story.
So far.. *crossing fingers* I have not heard the tell tale tapping sign of a rocker stud pulling out. I think I may be one of the lucky ones who wont have the problem of them backing out. In another month or so, if there are still no issues, I will install them on the passenger side head. Just sharing my happy, hopefully, success story.
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