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timing issue?!?

Old May 24, 2011 | 11:49 PM
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timing issue?!?

what is the stock base timing for a 92 z28 and what do I have to disconnect before I do this and where is it located? need to know as soon as possible! thanks
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Old May 25, 2011 | 12:12 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

disconnect the EST wire and I believe the stock settings are *12
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Old May 25, 2011 | 12:13 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Where is the est disconnect? I can't find it
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Old May 25, 2011 | 12:22 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

it is a single tan colored wire located near the blower motor on the passenger side of the eingine and the proper stock timing is 8 or 10 but while you have the EST wire disconnected it should be set at 6
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Old May 25, 2011 | 12:24 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Is it out In the open and easily seen or is it in a wiring harness hidden well? Hopefully I can find it and set the timing correctly
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Old May 25, 2011 | 12:28 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

it should be a single tan wire connector should be relatively easy to see and reach disconnect it after letting the car run to get the operating temp then set timing to 6 while the wire is disconnected turn the car off and reconnect the wire it should be set perfect then the timing may jump from 6 to 8 but that is not a bad thing
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Old May 26, 2011 | 08:20 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

is this correct? i thought it was 10*BDTC?
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Old May 27, 2011 | 10:14 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

The stock setting is 6 BTDC. TPI engines seem to run better at 8 to 10 BTDC.
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Old May 27, 2011 | 01:11 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Originally Posted by Rod Behring
The stock setting is 6 BTDC. TPI engines seem to run better at 8 to 10 BTDC.
dont like asking this but what is BDTC mean? also the negine was originally a TPI engine but i converted it back to MPFI using the intake and fuelrail off my 86. is the 6 above or bellow?
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Old May 27, 2011 | 01:36 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

The 6 is to the left of the zero
the est wire comes out of the wire loom somewhere between the a/c unit and the distributor, its a tan wire with a black weatherpac connector on it.
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Old May 27, 2011 | 04:55 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Originally Posted by david068513
what is the stock base timing for a 92 z28 and what do I have to disconnect before I do this and where is it located? need to know as soon as possible! thanks
Stock timing is 6 degrees BTDC. You will need a distributor wrench for this first of all. Moving the coil and egr solenoid makes this an easier chore. First, remove coil and egr solenoid if needed. Loosen distributor hold down bolt. It's a 9/16. Put your coil and egr solenoid back in place. Unplug the EST. Hook up your timing light and start vehicle. Set timing to 6* BTDC. Turn off ignition. Remove coil and starter solenoid again. Tighten down distr. bolt, plug in est, Hook up your coil and starter solenoid again. Disconnect battery for 30 seconds. Reconnect battery and drive it. Car will usually run poorly until computer relearns driving habits, don't panic.LOL Listen for pinging
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Old May 27, 2011 | 05:06 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

First of all 0 degrees is the biggest dip, the center of a "v". the next one above it is 6 degrees.
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Old May 27, 2011 | 05:11 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Originally Posted by John 89 Formula
The 6 is to the left of the zero
the est wire comes out of the wire loom somewhere between the a/c unit and the distributor, its a tan wire with a black weatherpac connector on it.
It is to the left if your in front, facing the vehicle.
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Old May 28, 2011 | 09:17 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Evilemokid94, BTDC means before top dead center. Top dead center is the zero mark.
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Old May 28, 2011 | 09:43 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Originally Posted by david068513
what is the stock base timing for a 92 z28 and what do I have to disconnect before I do this and where is it located? need to know as soon as possible! thanks
Look at that picture, that will show you how the timing marks are supposed to look.
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Old May 29, 2011 | 09:37 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

can i do this without a timing light?
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Old May 30, 2011 | 07:15 AM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Originally Posted by evilemokid94
can i do this without a timing light?
i hope you are kidding.
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Old May 30, 2011 | 05:43 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

I do it with a zippo sometimes, works great!

But, in actuality, yes, you need a timing light. You will not be able to get it set correctly without one.

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Old May 30, 2011 | 07:58 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

i got it, didnt need the light :], just adjusted the dizzy with it running, now it runs great!! idles fixed!!
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Old May 30, 2011 | 08:07 PM
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Re: timing issue?!?

Originally Posted by evilemokid94
i got it, didnt need the light :], just adjusted the dizzy with it running, now it runs great!! idles fixed!!


You may have got it to idle correctly, I'll almost guarantee you its still timed incorrectly though.

Thats like saying you tuned a carb correctly by making it idle correctly...
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