It will start but won't stay running.
It will start but won't stay running.
New to the forum. I've grabbed some info from here before. But I've run into a problem and knew this was the place to go. I've got a 350 Tpi in a truck. It was a previous owner swap. Using a painless harness. I forget the year of the motor, its written down somewhere. It has a cold start injector. I got the truck and it ran terrible. I took the intake off and the fuel rails, cleaned it all, the injectors were clogged shut almost. I put a fuel filter inline and put it back together, ran great. I did a cab swap and had to re-do a bunch of wiring. I now have the fuel pump on a toggle switch Bc the key would let it cutout sometimes. I found out the fuel pressure was 67psi, I regulated it down to 42psi. The motor has bigger injectors, 32 or 36lbs? I forget. But now it will start but won't stay running, it would start and idle for a second, rev up and die. Now it starts and dies immediately. It does not have a MAF but a MAP sensor now. New IAC, tps is working I believe. 02 sensors are older, idk how old. I had the tps set at .710? I believe is the mean for a speed density system. It seemed to be getting too much fuel, the motor stopped starting after a bit and the plugs were fouled and soaked with fuel. New plugs and it starts again. I changed the tps to .540? Just for haha's and no change, no fouling or soaked plugs though. I have unplugged the MAP, IAC, TPS individually and in pairs and it had the same symptoms. I didn't ever mess with any timing, cold start injector is still operational. I'm not sure if I forgot anything. I need to get this thing running asap to move on with this project. Its getting converted to a Carb soon if I don't figure it out. Any help would be great. Thanks
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Car: 81z-28,89gta,91z-28 03 1500
Engine: 355,L98vette tpi,327
Transmission: TH350/700R4/700r4/4l80E
Axle/Gears: 3;73/3;27/2;73/3;73
Well first off,I don't know how you're running a cold start injector with a speed density tpi?...and voltage to tps should be .54 volts with throttle closed and close to 5 volts at wot..check your injectors with an ohm meter..any under 10 ohms will need to be replaced.
Re: It will start but won't stay running.
This is my first Tpi engine, so I'm unfamiliar with the do's and don'ts. And like I said the previous owner did the swap not me, I was unaware you shouldn't be running a cold start injector on a Map sensor system. I have seen .54 for Maf and .71 for Map so I have tried both. I will leave it at .54 from now on. I can check the injectors.
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Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: It will start but won't stay running.
the computer still thinks the stock 22 lb ( or even 19lb if it is off a 305 ) injectors in there and is supplying based on those
It will never run right no matter what you replace or adjust
Buy some stock size 22lb injectors ; the size you state is way too big for a 350 esp if it is stock (ish ) , guys are running 383's on 24lb injectors
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From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: It will start but won't stay running.
Re: It will start but won't stay running.
I agree the injectors are extremely large and overkill. Especially considering the use of the truck. But I have had it running and driving before. It did run well, possibly a little rich. The sensor in the front is connected to the harness. The injector/valve? On the driver side going through the hole in the intake/plenum is not wired up.
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From: Not in Kansas anymore
Car: 82 Z28
Engine: 383 SP EFI/ 4150 TB
Transmission: T400
Axle/Gears: QP 9" 3.73
Re: It will start but won't stay running.
Pull the engine fault codes
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Re: It will start but won't stay running.
Alright. I finally got around to pulling the codes. Initially I couldn't get it to pull any codes. When I first bought the truck just the two black plugs were plugged into the computer and the yellow one was taped off. I could swear the CEL worked before. But I couldn't get it to work till I followed the wires, untaped the plug and plugged it into the computer. The codes I got were, 15 Coolant Temp Low. 22 TPS Voltage Low. 42 Electronic Spark Timing Circuit. 54 Insufficient Fuel Pump Voltage. I'm not sure about 22 and 42. I have the fuel pump wired into a toggle switch on the dash, I'm guessing this is the reason for that code. Will running it like this have any adverse affects on the system/efficiency of the motor? Also, after pulling the codes for the hell of it I tried starting it and it fired up and stayed running fine with the yellow plug connected to the computer. It did idle really high. I'm not sure where I last left the TPS set though. Didn't have time to check today. I know you're going to be shaking your heads but I know when I got the truck the yellow connector was taped off with duct tape, not connected and the truck was running and driving.
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