TPI Tuned Port Injection discussion and questions. LB9 and L98 tech, porting, tuning, and bolt-on aftermarket products.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 28, 2014 | 06:38 PM
  #1  
robertfrank's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,001
Likes: 62
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Car: 1988 camaro "SS"/ 1991 305/T5
Engine: 383 LT1 in progress/LT1TBI 355 soon
Transmission: Probuilt 700R4 3600 stall/ T5
Axle/Gears: Moser axles, 3.42 Eaton Posi
91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Hey guys, My 91 L98 is being a fickle a$$ at the moment. For the last few weeks it's had a slight miss during steady cruise that was progressively getting worse. Last night, when trying to start the car it would just crank over. I first tried to listen for the fuel pump to prime and heard nothing. Second I checked the pump relay and it still clicks. I hooked up my Acton pressure gauge and there is NO pressure in the lines during cranking. Just for giggles, how do I send direct power to the pump to test for operation? I'd rather fix the issue and find out exactly whats wrong instead of throw parts at it. Any help would be awesome.
Reply
Old Jun 28, 2014 | 07:03 PM
  #2  
8Mike9's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 5,183
Likes: 42
From: Oakdale, Ca
Car: 89 IrocZ
Engine: L98-ish
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Originally Posted by robertfrank
Just for giggles, how do I send direct power to the pump to test for operation? I'd rather fix the issue and find out exactly whats wrong instead of throw parts at it. .
Check this thread:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tech...o-you-put.html
Reply
Old Jun 28, 2014 | 07:11 PM
  #3  
Veaceonee's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 808
Likes: 5
From: Tucson, AZ
Car: 88 GTA Notchback
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: don't know
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Is there pressure in the line before cranking? The ECM needs to see positive oil pressure before it clicks on the fuel pump,

Also, one of the best investments, in my opinion, one can make when troubleshooting fuel issues.
Fuel Pressure Gauge

Beats connecting and disconnecting a gauge all the time.

Have it permanently mounted in my car, can't live without it.
Reply
Old Jun 28, 2014 | 08:08 PM
  #4  
robertfrank's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,001
Likes: 62
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Car: 1988 camaro "SS"/ 1991 305/T5
Engine: 383 LT1 in progress/LT1TBI 355 soon
Transmission: Probuilt 700R4 3600 stall/ T5
Axle/Gears: Moser axles, 3.42 Eaton Posi
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

As i stated I DO have a pressure gauge and its reading ZERO during cranking. Hence why I posted this thread.
Reply
Old Jun 28, 2014 | 08:26 PM
  #5  
8Mike9's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 5,183
Likes: 42
From: Oakdale, Ca
Car: 89 IrocZ
Engine: L98-ish
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Originally Posted by Veaceonee
Is there pressure in the line before cranking? The ECM needs to see positive oil pressure before it clicks on the fuel pump,

.
No, that's incorrect.

The oil pressure switch is a backup in case the pump relay fails.

I/e the oil pressure switch provides voltage to the pump in parallel withe the fuel pump relay.

ECM knows nothing about oil pressure, nor monitors it.
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2014 | 08:47 PM
  #6  
robertfrank's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,001
Likes: 62
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Car: 1988 camaro "SS"/ 1991 305/T5
Engine: 383 LT1 in progress/LT1TBI 355 soon
Transmission: Probuilt 700R4 3600 stall/ T5
Axle/Gears: Moser axles, 3.42 Eaton Posi
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Well i checked out that other thread and I have a problem. My ALDL port doesn't have a clip in the G terminal so I can jump the pump AND my fuel pump test port (C8) is not there. Is there another way to do this?
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2014 | 10:38 PM
  #7  
8Mike9's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 5,183
Likes: 42
From: Oakdale, Ca
Car: 89 IrocZ
Engine: L98-ish
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Originally Posted by robertfrank
Well i checked out that other thread and I have a problem. My ALDL port doesn't have a clip in the G terminal so I can jump the pump AND my fuel pump test port (C8) is not there. Is there another way to do this?
Yes...pull the Fuel Pump relay out.

I think (will confirm in a bit) jump A to E (outside pins) on the connector, one is 12 from fuse, other goes to FP..

Edit:

A to E is correct.
E is 12v, A goes to fuel pump.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2014 | 02:02 PM
  #8  
robertfrank's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,001
Likes: 62
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Car: 1988 camaro "SS"/ 1991 305/T5
Engine: 383 LT1 in progress/LT1TBI 355 soon
Transmission: Probuilt 700R4 3600 stall/ T5
Axle/Gears: Moser axles, 3.42 Eaton Posi
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

ok I guess I can"t jump those two either.....here's my problem with that...

Name:  20140702_115040_zpsx8rcnepn.jpg
Views: 285
Size:  80.8 KB


why would I be missing most of these pins?
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2014 | 02:16 PM
  #9  
8Mike9's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 5,183
Likes: 42
From: Oakdale, Ca
Car: 89 IrocZ
Engine: L98-ish
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Because that is not the FP relay...it should be a flat connector (as I recall) with just 5 pins.

Will be up on the firewall, near the brake booster...not sure exactly on an SD car, as mine is MAF.

Edit:

It is possible it is the FP relay connector for a SD car, let me look at the wire colors in my manual

Edit 2:

Pretty sure you have the wrong thing unplugged, as you connector has 6 wires in it.

The FP relay should be just to the right of the brake booster. In front (on mine) of the ESC module.

My colors:
A-looks brown-dirty anyway
B-Blk/white stripe
CGrn/white stripe
D red
E orange

Last edited by 8Mike9; Jul 3, 2014 at 02:32 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2014 | 02:36 PM
  #10  
robertfrank's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,001
Likes: 62
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Car: 1988 camaro "SS"/ 1991 305/T5
Engine: 383 LT1 in progress/LT1TBI 355 soon
Transmission: Probuilt 700R4 3600 stall/ T5
Axle/Gears: Moser axles, 3.42 Eaton Posi
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Thats the ALDL port. I thought thats what you meant lol. I'll try to jump the pins of the relay when I get home.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2014 | 02:39 PM
  #11  
8Mike9's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 5,183
Likes: 42
From: Oakdale, Ca
Car: 89 IrocZ
Engine: L98-ish
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

LMBO!

I though it looked familiar, but spent about 5 minutes all around my firewall to find something like that!
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2014 | 09:01 PM
  #12  
robertfrank's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,001
Likes: 62
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Car: 1988 camaro "SS"/ 1991 305/T5
Engine: 383 LT1 in progress/LT1TBI 355 soon
Transmission: Probuilt 700R4 3600 stall/ T5
Axle/Gears: Moser axles, 3.42 Eaton Posi
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Well I tried to jump the A and E ports with a paper clip and still the pump is a no go. So it sounds like a replacement is in order.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2014 | 09:37 PM
  #13  
8Mike9's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 5,183
Likes: 42
From: Oakdale, Ca
Car: 89 IrocZ
Engine: L98-ish
Transmission: 700R4
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Wait, did you verify voltage first?

Ground to E should be 12 v...
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2014 | 10:42 PM
  #14  
robertfrank's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,001
Likes: 62
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
Car: 1988 camaro "SS"/ 1991 305/T5
Engine: 383 LT1 in progress/LT1TBI 355 soon
Transmission: Probuilt 700R4 3600 stall/ T5
Axle/Gears: Moser axles, 3.42 Eaton Posi
Re: 91 L98 no start. Fuel pump not priming. How do I test?

Oh it got voltage alright. I accidently tap E to C and got a good zap lol
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
92camaroJoe
TBI
32
Jul 29, 2023 07:57 PM
theshackle
Tech / General Engine
4
Mar 5, 2017 06:37 PM
Jae992
TBI
3
Aug 27, 2015 09:07 AM
justin57
TBI
30
Aug 20, 2015 07:05 PM
92camaroJoe
Tech / General Engine
6
Aug 13, 2015 06:07 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:14 PM.