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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 07:38 PM
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Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?

I have an 88’ L98 with cold start deleted with block off kit and new PROM and want to go with AS&M runners and a TPIS big mouth base. When speaking with ASM they mentioned I should go with 89 and up runners because I deleted cold start...I was under the impression I needed to stick with 85-88 style because of slight differences in plenum and TB? I just want to be sure before purchasing runners.
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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 08:18 PM
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Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?

Both will work. 89 and up are blocked off at the flange, 88 and down you'd use the block off you have.
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Old Dec 17, 2020 | 09:01 PM
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Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?

Awesome, the ASM guy mentioned that they just block off the cold start and it is the only difference between the two but I just wanted to be sure. I saw many old posts saying not to use the later runners on 88’ and under but they appeared to still be running the cold start injector. I will order the 89’ and up. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
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Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?

For the price of those two items (runners and intake base), you could just buy a whole FIRST manifold - which will out perform it.

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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 02:31 PM
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Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?

I thought of that but wanted to keep the TPI look with old school go fast parts. I also don’t have enough mods to justify it with no plans for a head swap or cam on the horizon I didn’t think I would ever take advantage of the FIRST’s capabilities. I thought you needed a new ECM set up to run that as well.
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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 03:27 PM
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Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?

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I thought of that but wanted to keep the TPI look with old school go fast parts. I also don’t have enough mods to justify it with no plans for a head swap or cam on the horizon I didn’t think I would ever take advantage of the FIRST’s capabilities. I thought you needed a new ECM set up to run that as well.
I'd say that the stock long block is still restricted by the factory base. The FIRST? Not restricting a stock long block and not even close to it's limits. The asm runners are half way the cost of a FIRST and you still get taxed by the factory base. I won't talk you out of it but power/dollar asm is on the losing end.
Tuning? Yeah it'll help. It's maf so it'll partly compensate. Tuned Performance can probably get you sorted out easily enough though.
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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 03:57 PM
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Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?

Originally Posted by Reddragon88gta
I thought of that but wanted to keep the TPI look with old school go fast parts. I also don’t have enough mods to justify it with no plans for a head swap or cam on the horizon I didn’t think I would ever take advantage of the FIRST’s capabilities. I thought you needed a new ECM set up to run that as well.
Nope. Just a tune - which you will need with the TPIS and AS&M parts as well. It uses all stock TPI sensors. Plus it pretty much looks just like regular TPI - most who aren't well versed in TPI stuff can't tell the difference.

Plus you get a new throttle body that's doesn't have clapped out bushings, new fuel rails, etc. You will need to install an external regulator but that's minor in the grand scheme.

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