Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?
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From: Northern NY
Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA and 1979 Trans Am
Engine: 5.7 L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Borg Warner 9 bolt 3.27
Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?
I have an 88’ L98 with cold start deleted with block off kit and new PROM and want to go with AS&M runners and a TPIS big mouth base. When speaking with ASM they mentioned I should go with 89 and up runners because I deleted cold start...I was under the impression I needed to stick with 85-88 style because of slight differences in plenum and TB? I just want to be sure before purchasing runners.
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From: Milwaukee
Car: 92 Firebird, 77 Trans Am SE, 86 Z28
Engine: 5.7 HSR, T/A 6.6, empty
Transmission: T-5, TH350, T-5
Axle/Gears: 3.08 posi, 3.23 posi, 3.23
Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?
Both will work. 89 and up are blocked off at the flange, 88 and down you'd use the block off you have.
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From: Northern NY
Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA and 1979 Trans Am
Engine: 5.7 L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Borg Warner 9 bolt 3.27
Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?
Awesome, the ASM guy mentioned that they just block off the cold start and it is the only difference between the two but I just wanted to be sure. I saw many old posts saying not to use the later runners on 88’ and under but they appeared to still be running the cold start injector. I will order the 89’ and up. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?
For the price of those two items (runners and intake base), you could just buy a whole FIRST manifold - which will out perform it.
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From: Northern NY
Car: 1988 Trans Am GTA and 1979 Trans Am
Engine: 5.7 L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Borg Warner 9 bolt 3.27
Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?
I thought of that but wanted to keep the TPI look with old school go fast parts. I also don’t have enough mods to justify it with no plans for a head swap or cam on the horizon I didn’t think I would ever take advantage of the FIRST’s capabilities. I thought you needed a new ECM set up to run that as well.
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From: Milwaukee
Car: 92 Firebird, 77 Trans Am SE, 86 Z28
Engine: 5.7 HSR, T/A 6.6, empty
Transmission: T-5, TH350, T-5
Axle/Gears: 3.08 posi, 3.23 posi, 3.23
Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?
I thought of that but wanted to keep the TPI look with old school go fast parts. I also don’t have enough mods to justify it with no plans for a head swap or cam on the horizon I didn’t think I would ever take advantage of the FIRST’s capabilities. I thought you needed a new ECM set up to run that as well.
Tuning? Yeah it'll help. It's maf so it'll partly compensate. Tuned Performance can probably get you sorted out easily enough though.
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From: Portland, OR
Car: 86 Imponte Ruiner 450GT, 91 Formula
Engine: 350 Vortec, FIRST TPI, 325 RWHP
Transmission: 700R4 3000 stall.
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt Torsen 3.70
Re: Which style aftermarket runners 85-88 or 89 and up style?
I thought of that but wanted to keep the TPI look with old school go fast parts. I also don’t have enough mods to justify it with no plans for a head swap or cam on the horizon I didn’t think I would ever take advantage of the FIRST’s capabilities. I thought you needed a new ECM set up to run that as well.
Plus you get a new throttle body that's doesn't have clapped out bushings, new fuel rails, etc. You will need to install an external regulator but that's minor in the grand scheme.
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