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Old Mar 20, 2003 | 11:15 AM
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We need to put a driveshaft issue to rest.

I just had an LS1 aluminum shaft installed in place of the stock steel one. Numerous posts have asked about the weight savings, rear wheel power gains and 1/4 mile difference but I have seen no hard data.

I asked the shop to make sure they weigh the aluminum shaft before installing it, and they promised to. When I picked my car up, they said they forgot. I wanted to smack him in the head with the steel shaft.

The stock steel driveshaft in our cars weighs 16 pounds. If anyone can weigh an LS1 aluminum shaft, please post the result so we can put this debate to rest.
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Old Mar 21, 2003 | 08:51 AM
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the driveshaft is pretty darn easy to remove. Get a scale, remove it, weigh it.
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Old Mar 21, 2003 | 09:30 AM
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I know but I live in an apartment and have no jack. Plus I'm too lazy.
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Old Mar 21, 2003 | 12:48 PM
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the weight differance between 2 static parts isn't the big issue, it's the differance in rotating mass that is
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Old Mar 21, 2003 | 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by ede
the weight differance between 2 static parts isn't the big issue, it's the differance in rotating mass that is

yup, just how a trans can be heavier than another but still let more hp to the rear wheels beause of less rotating mass....
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Old Mar 21, 2003 | 03:10 PM
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One pound of rotating weight = 7 pounds dry weight for 1/4 reduction. Yes that's why I bought.
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Old Mar 21, 2003 | 08:37 PM
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Its not just the weight difference, but also the fact that aluminum is very absorbant of driveline disturbances. Less vibrations will be transmitted into the passenger compartment with an aluminum than with a steel.
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Old Mar 21, 2003 | 09:08 PM
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rotating mass

Originally posted by esams
One pound of rotating weight = 7 pounds dry weight for 1/4 reduction. Yes that's why I bought.
I've never seen this formula before and have some questions.
If my 2-15x7 IROC rims w/235 60s weigh a total of 96lbs and a set of draglites w/25x4.5 frontrunners weigh 42lbs the difference is 54lbs. 54lbs multiplied by 7 is 378lbs.
Do wheels/tires qualify as rotating weight? Would skinnies be worth as much as 3 tenths? On a 12 sec. car?
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Old Mar 21, 2003 | 09:31 PM
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Yep. Sweet huh! Drag wheels and skinnies are the single best weight reduction mod you can do.
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Old Mar 22, 2003 | 10:48 AM
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I'll be pulling the driveshaft out of my 00 TA soon. Need to replace the rear pinion seal. I'll weight the shaft at that time BUT it will be weighed with the yoke and u-joints.
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Old Mar 22, 2003 | 11:47 AM
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I'm not sure how much the aluminum ds weighs, but I can tell you that there is no sotp difference.
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Old Mar 22, 2003 | 04:14 PM
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About 2# difference between the steel vs aluminum.
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Old Mar 22, 2003 | 06:12 PM
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Well we weighed cg91ta's 1LE aluminum shaft and it's 12.0 lbs. It's a smaller diameter than the LS1 shaft so who knows.
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Old Mar 22, 2003 | 07:26 PM
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When I changed mine it was about 4lbs difference.
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Old Mar 22, 2003 | 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by esams
One pound of rotating weight = 7 pounds dry weight for 1/4 reduction. Yes that's why I bought.
can you explain this?

-Brian
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Old Mar 22, 2003 | 11:28 PM
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Rotational weight is any moving part in your car, from engine to tires.

"As a general rule" (but of course not accurate in all situtions):

Any part of that you can reduce in actual weight results in your 1/4 mile time being reduced by 7 times more than if it were dry weight."

Ditching 100 lbs. of dry weight gets you a .1 sec. quicker time. So if you can gain .7 by ditching 100 lbs. of rotating weight, that's very cool.

Look at this site. These guys would smoke most of us. Notice they all have slicks and skinnies on lightweight drag wheels:

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/bea...nSet-ups.shtml

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Old Mar 22, 2003 | 11:59 PM
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I weighed mine when I put on the 1LE shaft.
Stock 2.5" steel = 16 pounds
1LE 2.75" Al = 12 pounds
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