Anyone have any experience with the '82 4spd manual trans? What is it? a M21 or a T10? For 83 is the 5 spd a T5 or something else? Thinking about buying one just need some info.

Thanks,

 

In 82, it's not ANY kind of a Muncie, that's for sure. Those were discontinued after 74.

It's either a Saginaw :barf: or a T-10.

If reverse is left and up, it's a T-10. If it's anywhere else, it's a Saginaw :barf:.

I've been told that at least 90% of them were Saginaws :barf:. I've never seen a T-10 one with my own eyes in the flesh, although there are some people on here that have them so I'm quite sure they do exist though.

83-up got the T-5.

 

I have an M21 in my elco. Are the T10s a better trans? Whats the best 4sp if you are starting from scratch? I heard that this 82 has mechanical linkage. Is this better than having the hydrolic clutch? Are there 4spds with hydolic slaves?

I know this is barely related to 3rd gens but I'm seriously thinking about buying this 82 4spd and wondering what is there to work with. Might make a nice AI car if the trans is strong enough. Car is pretty cheap. The stock rear is a 2.73. Does anyone know what type of rear this is? I'm probably going to can it anyway since it probably has rear drums. I have a 10 bolt G92 on my 91 with the 12" disks thats pretty nice.

-R

 

Sure; I had one like that once too. A 69. Doesn't have much to do with 82 Camaros.

Also, it's REAL EASY to stick a Muncie into ANY Elky; since you can get a shifter that works. The same is not true for 82 Camaros.

Yes the T-10 is a better transmission than the Muncie, especially for the application at hand; not least, because it's possible to install it without jumping through so many hoops. But as stated, VERY VERY FEW of them came with it, and even worse, it was a 1 year only deal; there never were very many of that setup in the world, and there's even fewer now I'm sure. So if it doesn't already have the Warner, your odds of swapping to a Warner successfully are vanishingly small.

Either a Muncie or a Warner would be a better transmission than the Saginaw :barf: that came in most of the 4-speed 82s. That transmission SUCKS. Think of driving your favorite dump truck: that's about what one of those things is like. Bad gear ratios, awful shifting, etc. And weak besides.

The 82 will have a 7½" 10-bolt. Same basic model as the 91, with of course a few updates.

If that car has 2.73s, something's been swapped; I'm pretty sure the 4-speed cars got something less .... ummmm ... suitable for a grocery cart.

No the 4-speed did not come with the hydraulic clutch. Mechanical only. AFAIK there is no provision for putting a hyd clutch in with a 4-speed, besides one of those $$hydraulic throwout bearings$$. Personally I GREATLY prefer hydraulics; I have a 83, I swapped to hydraulics in about 86 or so, I've never regretted it for even an instant.

Before getting all worked up over it, I'd find out what the transmission actually is. If it's a Saginaw :barf: car, I'd recommend against buying it.

 

Thanks for the heads up on the saginaw. Evidently reverse is left and down on the car so I will steer clear.

I got the 2.73 number from this site on the data page for 82's. Is it a typo?

 

I swapped a T10 into my '83 Z28... it came from an '82 Trans Am. Its held up alot better than my T5 did, and its up against more power too. With the Hurst Comp/Plus shifter I put on it, its great!

Stock, the T10 only came with a mechanical linkage for the clutch, which I am still using... BUT, there is an aftermarket bellhousing (Lakewood IIRC) that will allow you to use a factory style hydraulic clutch system with a 4-spd. Its a steel bellhousing that has a clutch slave mount thats the same, and in the same location, as the factory one, but its drilled with a straight up bolt pattern (for the 4-spd) and the tilted bolt pattern (for the 5-spd).

 

Adam, I just bought a Hurst comp. shifter for my 82' TA. It has the t-10. I had huge problems with it. I don't think that I got the right install kit for the car, but jegs said that it's right. I think they put the wrong mounting bracket in the kit for hurst. It's completely flat, shouldn't it be curved in to put the shifter about 2'' to the driverside??? I tried calling hurst, but they were closed yesterday. I guess they think people only work on their cars during the week..... and they're website is down. Anyways I'm gonna call them tomorrow, but I'm not sure what the hell is goin on with it, and it's really making me mad. any help is appreciated

 

IIRC, my Hurst kit put the shifter almost directly above the transmission, not 2" beside it. It came straight up through the hole in the floor as it should. I have no problems with my kit. I think mine was curved, but my bracket mounted to the passenger side of the trans and curved over the trans towards the drivers side. It put the shifter almost straight above the centerline of the trans.

 

Yea that's what I thought it should do!! They sent me the wrong bracket for sure then. I ment that the bracket should be curved to put the shifter 2'' to the driverside wich should make it dead center over the tranny, my fault there didn't really know how to explain it any better. Now I'm worried if they sent me the wrong kit all togather....... :-(

 

Update: I bought a whole new install kit from jegs, This time I got the right bracket. Hurst uses the same part # but the one for the t-10's are shaped into a S. Well needless to say that made the install very easy. Just a little adjusting, and man she really shifts nice now. I love RIPPING through the gears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Definately recommend this shifter, even after the trouble I went through!!

 

the actualy did come with 2.73 rear gearing , the super T-10 which was used in some used a low, or should i say super low, 3.42 first gear, this was matched to high rear gearing to support gas mileage of the day.

 

My super T10 car had 3.23 gears factory, FWIW.

I'm going to have to look at that lakewood setup Adam, i'm eager to see what a hydraulic clutch would feel like in my car. No rush though, gotta start seeing some paychecks first!