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Old Jul 9, 2001 | 08:45 AM
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What is engine braking?

I've always been curious because I don't really understand what it is. I've heard a few people talk about it, and from what I've gathered it seemingly has to do with downshifting... but what is it, and why does it happen?

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Old Jul 9, 2001 | 10:31 AM
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Engine braking is when you use the engine to slow the car down. You are right about downshifting, thats exactly what you are doing. Since you have an auto, have you noticed that you slow down fairly quickly when you take your foot off the gas? Well, accel to any given speed and then take your foot off, note how long it takes to slow down. Now do the same thing, but pop it into neutral first, it takes a lot longer to slow down. Now finally accel. to the same speed as before and then drop a gear, you decel pretty quick. All of this happens because of the parasitic energy loss of the engine. Basically you are using the cars wheels to turn the engine instead of the engine turning the wheels.
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Old Jul 9, 2001 | 11:54 AM
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yep, the throttle is shut and the engine rpm is up--the engine wants to slow down. A must in the mountains.



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Old Jul 9, 2001 | 02:26 PM
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Just to add a little something. During an decel the throttle blade(s) is(are) closed. This makes a lot of vaccuum in the engine and actually tries to pull the piston up during the intake stroke. That is why diesel engines (no throttle blades) are sometimes installed with exhaust brakes, which applies positive pressure to the piston during the exhaust stroke.

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Old Jul 9, 2001 | 07:12 PM
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To add to this, with an automatic such as a 700, in O/D when you let off the gas there isn't much decelleration affect. If you put it into D there will be more, primarily because the engine speed must pick up to meet the gear it is now in, and the more compression you have the more you will feel. Now if you put it into Man 2 it will really start to slow due to increased gear ratio pulling on the engine.
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Old Jul 10, 2001 | 12:44 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ATOMonkey:
That is why diesel engines (no throttle blades) are sometimes installed with exhaust brakes, which applies positive pressure to the piston during the exhaust stroke.

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Large diesel engines use a compression brake, not an exhaust brake. Same principle, different method. Exhaust brakes restrict the exhaust to a maximum back pressure situation. Causing the engine not to expell the burnt gasses during the exhaust stroke, pressure is still pushing down on the piston after the exhaust stroke and during the intake stroke. Compression brakes use a valebody type system above the head to open the exhaust valve at the top of the compression stroke creating a vacuum in the cylinder. Therefore causing a reaction exactly opposite of combustion and sucking on the piston during the expansion stroke.
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Old Jul 10, 2001 | 09:16 PM
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Oh some use both. Most have a compression brake (jake brake, c-brake, or whatever manufacturer of compression brake is on the engine). The ones that have an aditional exhaust brake could put you through the windshield when at full decelleration.

Back to automotive.

I have to assume a 700R4 has a similar setup to the TH350 and TH400. These trannys have an intermediate band around the intermediate hub (second gear). When you slow down and the tranny drops to second gear, fluid pressure applies this band to let the slower turning engine slow the car down. The only purpose of this band is engine braking.

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