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Old 11-17-2013, 04:21 PM
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No gears while running, gears while off

Just did a 350 swap and when I tried to go for a test drive I found I had no gears. The pedal feels how it did with the LB9, the pilot bushing is flush with where it mounts in the crankshaft, the clutch, pressure plate, and TOB are less than 1000mi old. I've already flushed the system to ensure there was no air in the hydraulics, and I've had the transmission down to confirm everything is installed correctly. The only thing that hasn't been replaced is the master and slave cylinder, as well as the pivot ball. It was shifting fine (as good as that is for a worn t5) before I parked it for the engine swap, and now it doesn't go into gear while it's running (engine bogs down more and more the harder I try to push it into gear. Is there any way to check that the clutch and slave are working properly? I don't have any leaks as far as I can tell, aside from a small amount of liquid on the rubber boot of the master (we're talking a few drops). Could it be something in the transmission causing it?
Old 11-17-2013, 06:50 PM
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

Leave the hydraulics alone. If you didn't open em up, there's no air in em; or anything else wrong with em, for that matter.

Did you use a pilot bearing, or a bushing?

If it was a bushing, did you grease it good? Did the trans slide up into it by hand like it's supposed to?

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No doubt you have it assembled in the "correct" fashion?

Could it be something in the transmission causing it?
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

Did the tran slide smoothly into the bellhousing the entire way or did you pull it toge th er the last 3/8" or so witb the bolts? Sounds like the inpit shaft it stuck in th e bushing/bearing. Have to pull the trams back a bit and try again have a friemd push the clutch pedal down when you get the trams as far in as you can and it will help you line ever ything up.
Old 11-17-2013, 11:48 PM
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

I had studs in the bottom 2 holes and used the bolts to pull the transmission in when it was about 1/4" or less away from the bellhousing. I used a bushing, and I've never heard of greasing them. TOB is installed correctly. Should the pilot bushing be recessed into the crank? It's currently flush, no lip between the two.
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

If you pulled the trans together with the bolts thats the issue. Your input is stuck in the pilot and not letting it spin
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

Pilot should be just barely under flush; but there's enough tolerance there that even if it was sticking out 1/8" or more, it would be fine.



Should look something about like this. A bushing would look the same except for the obvious difference you would expect.

You should NEVER EVER EVER EVER use the bolts to "draw" the trans up to the engine!!! That virtually GUARANTEES failure; not only by just doing it, but because if you HAVE TO, i.e. the trans doesn't slide RIGHT UP IN THERE without any effort at all BY HAD, it's not going to shift right EITHER. IOW, the fact that you did that, prevented you from noticing that it was binding; and at this point you're just lucky that the ears didn't break off of the transmission, as is often the case when people do that.

Yes of course you should grease the bushing, just like any other moving part. Otherwise the trans pilot will not spin freely in it and it will have trouble shifting because binding at that point has the same effect on the system behavior as the clutch not fully releasing. Geeee... sound familiar? Use some sort of good quality high-temp NON-FIBER grease; I usually use Mobil1 nowadays, but white lithium or the old "blue grease" will work well too.
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

Wouldn't be a bad idea to replace that pilot bushing while you're in there either.a couple dings on the face while you're fitting things together can knock the hole out of round. That can cause binding too.
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

It's a brand new bushing, but it is dinged up a bit from installing it, the hole is still round though. I'll try getting it further in and using white lithium grease on it.
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

How did you measure the inside of the bushing to insure it is still round?
Old 11-19-2013, 12:25 PM
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Re: No gears while running, gears while off

The clutch alignment tool slides in and out of it perfectly fine.
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