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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 12:28 PM
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Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

Found a guy selling 2 rear ends from '98 ls1 cars. The stock one doesn't include brakes and is from an auto car. The other has an aftermarket diff cover and is supposed to be 343 gears. I'll be driving a hour and a half to get them but I will pull the cover to get a better look. Both for $175. I just wanted to make sure they are 4 th gen fbody rears before I waste my time and money.

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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 12:38 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

Looks like it to me. I don't recall any 3rd gens having the speed sensor on top of the housing.
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 12:42 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

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Looks like it to me. I don't recall any 3rd gens having the speed sensor on top of the housing.
What all should I look for? Is it pretty simple as far as looking at the gears once the diff cover is off? Metal shaving or messed up gears?
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 12:50 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

175 for both I wouldnt concern myself with the shape of the gears just rebuilt the one your gonna use before you put it in your car. Most of the f-bodys being parted have 100000 plus miles
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 12:53 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

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175 for both I wouldnt concern myself with the shape of the gears just rebuilt the one your gonna use before you put it in your car. Most of the f-bodys being parted have 100000 plus miles
If the one does need to be rebuilt how much am I looking at? These years are rebuildable and have the better zexel posi? I don't know much about tears-still reading up on the 4th gen swaps.
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 01:01 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

Be sure that they don't have the Auburn. If they have the Torsen then they are worth it.
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 01:02 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

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Be sure that they don't have the Auburn. If they have the Torsen then they are worth it.
How can I tell the difference?
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 01:12 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

I'm pretty sure the torsen did not get installed until 99.
I had a 98 with a clutch type posi in it. My 2000 TA had the torsen.
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 01:13 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

If you look inside the differential and you see 5 coil springs then it's the Auburn.
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 02:10 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

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If you look inside the differential and you see 5 coil springs then it's the Auburn.
I asked the seller to remove the diff cover and take a pic but he said he'd have to unbolt all the preloads? Is this true or can't you just unbolt the actual diff cover?
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 02:23 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

He is talking about the preload bolts in the TA Performance cover. It's no big deal to do it, he just doesn't what to mess with it.
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 04:36 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

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He is talking about the preload bolts in the TA Performance cover. It's no big deal to do it, he just doesn't what to mess with it.
Can I just unbolt it all to inspect the gears?
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Old Apr 11, 2016 | 05:53 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

Yes, but the preload will have to be set again. It's an easy thing to do, but requires a small torque wrench and thread sealer.
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Old Apr 13, 2016 | 06:04 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

Well after a 4 hour drive round trip later I've got both rear ends in the bed of my truck. Snapped a few pics-both have the "TA" diff covers. One is supposed to be 2:73 gears and the other a 3:43.



This must be the auburn since it has springs I'm assuming?





Do these numbers mean anything?

















No springs like the other-is this a zexel torsen?









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Old Apr 13, 2016 | 06:32 PM
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You scored the torsen
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Old Apr 13, 2016 | 06:59 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

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You scored the torsen
Not sure if you can see well enough by these pics but do they look ok? To me nothing looked out of the ordinary-gears looked fine with no metal shavings.
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Old Apr 13, 2016 | 09:13 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

You got one Auburn and one Torsen. The Auburn has a 2.73 on it. Can't tell what the other one is.

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Old Apr 21, 2016 | 07:50 AM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

thanks for the thread, let me know I got a good rear for my car. Never knew how to tell torsen vs auburn until I read this. (got mine for free from a dude that wanted a "junk" car out of his driveway lol.)
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Old Apr 21, 2016 | 08:34 AM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

I didn't notice before, but the rear end with the Auburn has a bearing cap stud kit in it.
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 02:10 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

It looks like the Pinion teeth has rubbed on the auburn diff? It looks like teeth-marks on the diff centre, no?
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 02:26 PM
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Re: Confirm this is a 4th gen rear?

Either the pinion nut came loose or a pinion bearing failed at some time. I've seen them a lot worse than that.
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