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hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

Tax return time is coming up and im looking to do my research for a diff before I truly snapp the 94 lt1 rear end. I want to first state that by no means can I weld. I dont want to piece together parts and create a diff. im looking for ease of installing and swap a complete diff. When i swapped in the newer diff i also opted to have a 3' driveshaft made and upgraded to 1350 u joint which I believe to be 41.5 inches long to handle my 700hp. Which I have already surpassed recently.

I want to safely try to start putting more of that power down launching the car and not sprinkle diff dust when i head to the track this season looking to get into the 10s repeatedly. I saw hawks 8.8 diff and was going through their options and seems like they dont really give you a guide as the hp capabilities of the posi units available. I assume for anything more than 500hp id need to go with the wavetrac 33 spline and all the options im looking at $3800. Plus shipping etc

The S60 also comes up for easy to bolt-in setup at a lower price point but unknown what hp I can put through it but i see alot of guys running this on here with good success..but not on higher hp levels from what i see.

Now i do drive my car both street/strip and have my spare gta rims with nitto 55s on them and want to air them down and launch for once at the track and not be scared to go after a slip so I want to see what do you guys suggest i go with for my given needs. And what experience do you have with either brand.Supposedly wavetracs are lifetime warranty on the posi and strange is not.

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S60 all the way, dont bother with the 8.8
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

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S60 all the way, dont bother with the 8.8
Even given the power im going to throw at it with a 6spd clutch dump and sticky tire lol?
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Even given the power im going to throw at it with a 6spd clutch dump and sticky tire lol?
S60
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^^What he said. S60 all day.
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

I would look at either a moser 12 bolt or a 9” from any of the manufacturers. I have had 2 S60’s one new one and one used one, had nothing but problems with both, and strange flat out does not stand behind any of their products. Personally I have been burned by them twice, and would never recommend an S60.
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

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I would look at either a moser 12 bolt or a 9” from any of the manufacturers. I have had 2 S60’s one new one and one used one, had nothing but problems with both, and strange flat out does not stand behind any of their products. Personally I have been burned by them twice, and would never recommend an S60.
Thats rare to hear of how bad the diff is.Customer service is 1 thing..product quality is another. Im strong believer in if you stand by me the customer when your product has an issue and you help me in someway then Im cool. If you dont have good customer service...why do you deserve my hard earned money.Word of mouth and internet reviews are your 1st and these days..only chance to keep clients.

care to explain what issues you had with the diff itself just so i know what to look for?
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

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I would look at either a moser 12 bolt or a 9” from any of the manufacturers. I have had 2 S60’s one new one and one used one, had nothing but problems with both, and strange flat out does not stand behind any of their products. Personally I have been burned by them twice, and would never recommend an S60.
Please elaborate on when these problems happened and what they were. I just bought and installed an S60. I had ordered 4 bottles of gear oil and they only shipped 2. I emailed them about it and had 2 more bottles a day later. I was impressed by that customer service.
I won't drive the car until Spring, so I'm wondering if I should look for some problem now and not wait for spring.
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

If you want alot of feedback on the S60 then look up reviews on LS1tech, I was going to go strange 12 bolt but couldn't find a deal good enough on black friday, I ended up going Moser 9" with all the options, between the new center and rear end package I was all in at about $3100

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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

I think the best fact about the S60 is it retains the factory type tq arm setup. The moser 9 or 12 bolt I have no exp with. I have a midwest fab 9. And that makes you weld in a tq arm mount setup. Its was quite expensive but I got all the options. Well made but it will drain your wallet, but looks great under the car.
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

I am in the same boat as you are OP. I will be ordering my rear this week actually.
--- see my (long) thread here. https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tran...ice-input.html
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So the first one I had was noisy no matter what gears we put in it, we tried 4 different sets with a Dana certified installer, not a garage shop. The 2nd one, I specifically asked if there was a lighter set of gears or something we could put in it when they were building it to keep it quiet, as it was only going to be a 350rwhp ET bracket car. They upsold me on a special gear that was a street car specific gear and it was about $200 more than the standard Dana spicer gear set. Sure enough it howled loud enough on decell they could hear it over the phone, and they agreed it was a bad setup. They said they would pay for a new set to be installed, so I took it to a Dana spicer factory installer, he pulled the cover while I watched, told me the gear pattern looked great, but checked the numbers and it was the standard gear, not the “quiet car gear” when I called strange on that they swore up and down he didn’t know what he was talking about. So we moved forward, installed another gear set, and they were just as loud. Then the installer tried 2 more sets of his own Dana gears to see if he could make it right, and never could get them quiet, even tho the pattern was perfect every time. At this point strange told me to pound sand, didn’t pay me for any of it, and told me it wasn’t their problem anymore. I said whatever, it’s my fault for buying a POS60 in the first place, so I decided to run it for a season and sell it after. 10-12 races in.. i started showing wear on the drivers side inside of the tire. Put the car on the alignment rack, and sure as ****, strange welded the bearing housing on the end of the tube crooked and the chamber was off, and had over a full degree of toe. I emailed strange on it and nothing. In my eyes, strange is a bunch of dirtbags who don’t stand behind anything.
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Thanks for the details. I have to get the car aligned this year too, so I will be sure to look at the measurements on the rear.
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

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Tax return time is coming up and im looking to do my research for a diff before I truly snapp the 94 lt1 rear end. I want to first state that by no means can I weld. I dont want to piece together parts and create a diff. im looking for ease of installing and swap a complete diff. When i swapped in the newer diff i also opted to have a 3' driveshaft made and upgraded to 1350 u joint which I believe to be 41.5 inches long to handle my 700hp. Which I have already surpassed recently.

I want to safely try to start putting more of that power down launching the car and not sprinkle diff dust when i head to the track this season looking to get into the 10s repeatedly. I saw hawks 8.8 diff and was going through their options and seems like they dont really give you a guide as the hp capabilities of the posi units available. I assume for anything more than 500hp id need to go with the wavetrac 33 spline and all the options im looking at $3800. Plus shipping etc
I'll be buying a used 8.8 in the coming weeks and converting it myself so I'm pretty well read on the 8.8s. If you can't weld then that pretty much negates going with a Ford 8.8. The big advantage to the 8.8 is cost if you can do it yourself because even in stock form the 8.8 is pretty strong. You can search for posts by Pocket and some of the other guys who have ran stock 8.8 conversions with a supercharged LS and had no problems at 500 wheel horsepower. If you have to buy a ready to run rear end just go with a name brand that isn't 8.8 based.
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

Yea Im looking for a ready to roll drop in replacement as I plan on just dropping the 10bolt in the driveway..bolt up the new rear..have my driveshaft altered and go. Im hoping my current length of the driveshaft might actually be ok since it was slightly shorter than stock.
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my 12 bolt from Moser arrives on Monday. it was pricey, but I should never have to do anything to it for many many years to come aside from fluid changes. when I asked, Moser told me that my particular setup should be good for power levels up to the the 900hp range (if I am not launching a nitrous launch with a transbrake...which I on't be). Install should be that I just bolt up my rear brakes, LCA's, torque arm, sway bar, shocks, install springs, brake lines, fluid and be done. measure for a driveshaft and order one. thats the plan.
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*Update*

Well my tax return has come and im ready to blow it on the rear. So i email Strange and boasts Im ready to rock their product and dump the cash..ship me a fancy new s60. I asked about power ratings,build times etc and to my disappointment. I got a very vague email stating they dont ship to Canada so place an order through summit or jegs via phone only..or they can ship to a forwarder,thats it! Wow thanks..None of my other questions were answered about power handling,build time etc...mentioned I wanted to feature more vids on youtube to back up LsxMatt's experiences with his unit. Not even a thank you for taking interest in our products. Cant say Im impressed with the response,makes me feel like IF I had problems with something being a Canadian so far away, id be left to hang.

Sadly options to get things here arent so easy..nor affordable due to shipping.Ive emailed a few places and hopefully will have a solid path to what i get or have the car at a local shop build something and gamble that way. Ill keep the thread updated within the week,somebody is getting a chunk of cash from me this week.thats for sure lol!
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Re: hawks 8.8 or Strange S60?

Dont let one email dictate your whole outlook on one company. I'm sure there are other people at strange more passionate than the one answering emails. Why dont you call?
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Dont let one email dictate your whole outlook on one company. I'm sure there are other people at strange more passionate than the one answering emails. Why dont you call?
In this day and age..nobody makes long distance calls when you can email or text and hence I have no long distance plan on my phone.Everything today is so app/email based as a primary form to communicate that i dont bother paying more to make long distance calls. I choose to email strange directly first,after that backfired sadly.the rep who replied to me hasnt responded yet to my 2nd email days later. I ave since emailed summitt as he suggested. I have bought from summit before and i know who busy they can be and reply generally same day,but this is a custom order so I have not heard back from them within 2hrs yet.

However..Midwest chassis,exactly who lsxmatt ordered from stepped up to get me what I want and ship directly to my door,answered my questions and made me as the customer feel like they appreciate the business from me. They assured me if i ever have an issue to deal with them directly,thats the service backing i wanted to hear also.Thats who I will spend my money with.Im excited to have a stout rearend in this car and see what it can really do now.
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I did my fair share of research on rear ends and the handful of big companies recently. I learned that Strange makes a very good product. I emailed them also and called about having them build me a 12 bolt setup with custom brake mounting plates and they wanted nothing to do with it. Ed Miller provided me with the backing plates FOR FREE after I sent him my old drum-to-disc plates and I told this to Strange, and still was not given the time-of-day. I found their website difficult to follow also. Again, I know they have a killer product, but I didn't get a good vibe. I also learned that some small differences in their castings can result in fluid leaks when certain axle housing ends are used? I decided to go with Moser for my 12 bolt. I'll only be throwing 550 hp NA at it with the occasional 200-250 wet shot of nitrous and was assured that the 12 bolt rear we spec'd out would easily take that. . customer service on the phone was great. I had probably placed 10-12 phone calls from my beginning stage of asking questions, to once it was installed and each time someone talked me through the answers and options. I even spoke to the actual tech who was building the rear twice on the phone. I had mine at my house in just under 2 weeks.

keep us updated. I am curious to know and hope that you get a good axle.

what are the details of your setup?
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Stranges website isnt the greatest and the fact they dont take online orders through it is a joke, I ordered my 9" straight off of Mosers website. Easy to navigate and the online ordering process for a custom rear end is very simple and can be completed in 5 minutes
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Speaking with Midwest they told me for an extra 175 to just get the upgraded chromoly pinion yoke and the lpw diff cover. Ill be doing stock 3rdgen width so i can tuck my gta wheels back in again.They say the diff is as per my order would be safe for 1000hp. The weak link would be the driveshaft again and i should look into a driveshaft loop in the future should I keep climbing up the power scale.

Moser 12 bolt awesome also,but from everyone and research ive done..the s60 is just bullet proof for m6 cars.should be overkill for what im doing.Overkill is the insurance I need when i try to clutch dump on 2 step this season and hope for a good pass.I doubt Ill be breaking the rear gears on the s60.Im not worried about the weight if it holds and puts decent power down still.
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Beware just cause you're buying an S60 you still need a good carrier or it will fail if your drag racing, when you start getting into the big power levels there are only a couple units that can and should be used and also larger spline axles
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The s60 comes with 35 splines standard. The general concensus from people ive asked and research Ive done..and from MWC directly is that the s60 would take well over 1000hp to break it from abuse. If I was only going to drag race the car then they would suggest the 40 spline stuff with pro gears etc.but thats getting into big money. My weakest point now would be the driveshaft..and just small tire on the car now.
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The s60 comes with 35 splines standard. The general concensus from people ive asked and research Ive done..and from MWC directly is that the s60 would take well over 1000hp to break it from abuse. If I was only going to drag race the car then they would suggest the 40 spline stuff with pro gears etc.but thats getting into big money. My weakest point now would be the driveshaft..and just small tire on the car now.

40 spline stuff seems HUGE!!! I was in awe of my 33 spline axles and thought they were huge. a 40 would be massive, like pro-mod stuff!

what are your plans for a driveshaft?
Mine should arrive this upcoming week. I went overboard but knowing it will be there for life is a nice thought.
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I already have a custom 3" driveshaft with 1350 joint on it made when I switched to my lt1 diff which makes it about 1.5" shorter than stock. It should be perfect still. If not I can have another one made locally for less than what it would cost to order one from mwc and have it shipped here plus conversion rates and taxes.
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Baers is the Canadian dealer doe strange. You can order straight from them.
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Funny because Strange directly emailed me my only option to order being from canada was through a US dealer and there was no Vendor to help me. Regardless at this stage im still happy dealing with MWC to build and ship it to me.
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