Ive been saving all my money lately and lettin my camaor go to hell so i can fix my firebird. Well heres what im going to do im almost done saveing money for the firebird to fix it.
I plan to rebuild the engine it has over 200,000 miles on it still runs strong but then at times it lacks power. After the rebuild i plan to lower the car get 91-92 zz28 rims. then after that i pland to get a 4th gen center console and 4 gen seats, and new carpet. then get a cowl hood and a z28 high rise spoiler and have it painted the stock electirc blue. What do u think of what i want to do to my car.

BTW what will happen when my engine goes or how do i know when its gonna start to go?

 

i think when your done your car will look awesome. sounds good. good luck:rockon:

 

sounds good, david, but the numbers 3.4 are comming to mind.............

 

David, I'm getting my 3.4 real real real soon.
Want one, too?
Delivered to me, close by you.
I have a hoist to load it up!
Your car is fine, real good looking.
You need to visit the swap meets!

 

call me dumb but i sitll wana keep my block i was thinkin erler today of boreing it to a 3.4 and i plan on port ploish and a valve jpob on the heads cam send myinjectors to where tom p sent his.
but this is gonna be several months down the road so i have time to plan and think.

 

Cruizin performance. I sent a set there too. Got them back within a week. 60 bucks.

 

Well im ognna get the 3.4 just gotta save money lol im still saveing to fix my firebird i get there and have the money then i get bills and it goes back down. If i get this job next week that i have a interview for ill be makin bank.

 

your not dumb because you wanna keep the block you got now. i kept mine. if you want some ideas on rebuilding your v6 to the max look in my signature

 

Basicly my goal is to have my camaro be able to take on any ***** and 305's well most 305's. Oh i alao plan on putitn NOS on it. Then my firebird will be for me to take on the big blocks still dont know if the firebird has the 400 or 350 im almost 100 percent certin it has the 400 enigne in it. and when i blow that im gonna bore that out to a nice 455.

 

David,
One of those web sites I sent ya has the block codes & where to look.
Find those codes & you could score.
We'll find out what ya have soon!
I'll keep ya informed when the engine & tranny arrive so you can see for yourself what ya get.

 

See i know it was origonaly a 350 but mmy uncle stated before he got it the engine was rebuilt. So im thinkin the guy either rebuilt it as a 350 and put all the 400 stuff on the car to make it look like a real 400. Or he did it right and when he re built the engine he made it a 400 enigne. I lost the links you gave me my hard drive on my good computer decided it wanted to die on me. Im still waitn for ben to give me a call baout the hood its been a little over a week.

 

ummmmm call me stupid but i dont think you can safely increase the bore more than .060

even .090 is strecthing it

 

Actaually You can go .080 before you get into danger.

 

so where do u find a cheap 3.4 cuz i dont wanna get one from the junkyards, my gf has the 3.4 but its not like i can jack it form her car! tough it would be nice to swap the 2...... but im looking and cant find anything

MODS
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K&N
ghetto Air Intake
TINT
ALARM

FUTURE
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3.4 v6
IROC WHEELS 16x8
RACING CHIP
FLOWMASTER
DIGITAL DASH
COWL HOOD
z-28 SPOILER
1 1/2" drop

 

Keep the Nitrous option open.....

 

I just saw a "1996" 3.4 F body engine for sale.
NO SUCH THING EXISTS & THE IDIOT DIDN'T HAVE A PIC.
Was also selling the matching 5-speed LOL


ONLY
ONLY
ONLY 1993-1995 F-BODY NORTH SOUTH 3.4 engine will WORK.

ONLY CHOICE!

They are around, just ask any local wrecking yard....
PLEASE spend the MEASLY $6 at your local GM dealer (ANY) get the GM Performace Parts Book.
Understand what will/will not work (can you say-60* aluminum heads will not fit correctly to use, unless I have very deep pockets for no true gain of HP/effort), what comes in a 3.4 from the factory & how to plan ahead to make this swap a worthwhile effort for miles of .

Your car will PULL LIKE A FREIGHT TRAIN!

I'm slipping one under my 85 Blazer.
I can't find a decent 3.1-2.8 any cheaper than a used 3.4! What a problem

 

OK, I flunked math - .060 , .080 -
Has anybody tried to bore a 2.8 and use 3.4 pistons ? (or something close)
My Engine Rebuilder guy says the only way to know is to try it.

The 3.4 mill will pull like a Freight Train - and that may be a problem, of all the 60 deg mills - the 2.8 has the SHORTEST STROKE & as you lengthen your stroke you tend to move your power grove down the RPM range. In Drag Racing you want to be in your power grove at the finish as you cross the eye. (so I've been told ) I've seen several post by guys who say their car comes off the line like GangGreen then run out of stuff at the top end.

 

Spend the measly $6 for the GM Performance Parts Book.
Explains all you neeed to know.
Honest
ANY GM dealer.
YOU can do all the hi-faluting math ya wanna.
Torque ALWAYS rule the drag strip.
Cubes ALWAYS rule the drag strip.
Until you slip this mill under your hood, you can not truly comment.
This is one very fast ride for the buck.
And anyone can do this.
And should.
$800 for guaranteed More HP & More Torque.
Next 3.4 engine, I'm spending $600 for a whole running engine, no machining or breaking in.
Just turn key & go.
No assembly required.
Simple, no brainer.

 

I didnt think you could bore out to a 3.4
the 3.4 is a combination of increased bore & stroke over the 2.8.

Before you do the rebuild check the wear on the cam bearings . that is very important especially with a block that has over 200k on it.
Keep in mind that if you over bore a block you will have trouble with over heating
I wouldnt suggest going over .040 to .060 on these blocks.

 

My S-10 Blazer 2.8 is 211,500 miles.
You can slap the pistons in the bore, by hand. These 2.8's are throw aways.
Wake up don't waste the time. Spend the time seeking a used running 3.4!
Really!!!

 

well i was close

 

I'll have to disagree with you on this one Karl
My new one isn't a throw away at all . Mine is the same as my cusion's 93 3.4 .Of course mine is mildly modded and its a NEW engine and NEW tranny with shiftkit .You'd really be surprised what a new 2.8 with new tranny and shiftkit with a few other mods will do . My mechanic who raced IROCS was VERY impressed.

 

ill have to disagree as well karl
mine isnt throw away either

lol

 

The early 2.8 s had a lot of problems breaking the crankshaft because of the small journal size . They greatly improved the engine , I think in 1985 (correct me if I'm wrong).
The later 2.8 is the foundation for the 3.1 and the 3.4.
The 3.1 is a bored 2.8
The 3.4 is a bored and stroked 2.8

So, If the 2.8 is junk than the 3.1 and 3.4 must be also.

No, not at all , the later 2.8 are very good engines and worth rebuilding. Just not as fast as the 3.1 or 3.4.

 

 

Hey Fast RS ,
First of all a 400 SB cannot be bored to a 455 . A 455 is a B.B..
A 400 SB is just about maxed out as far as bore you could probably only go to .030 and be safe from overheating.
Another thing , if the engine is actually a 350 you wouldnt want 400 heads on it . the 400 head has a larger combustion chamber and you will lose compression.

I just wasnt sure how much you knew about SB engines , and I didnt want you to be mislead.

 

your both wrong

 

A 305 can be made into a 327 which is a high revving engine. I'd actually like to own one.

A 350 can be made into a 383.

A 400 has a totally different block than a 350, and yes..it does have a problem with overheating, but with a good cooling system isn't that big of a deal. It is still in the SB family.

A 454/454 is a BB. I believe (I just woke up, don't quote me) it can be made into a 496.

 

ACtualy Pontiac engines are different then chevy engines back then pontiac used the same black for the 326-455. yes it is a small block but it can be safeley be bored to a 455 with no problem.

 

correction

a 305 can be made into a 335

a 327 can be made into a 350



ummmmm David, whats the bore x stroke on the 400 and 455's??

 

Karl help me with this. I just know that pontiac uses the same block in 1968 the didnt use a chevry bloclk pontiac made its own block

 

yes Pontiac did use their own blocks back then

i know that

that doesnt mean you can safely overbore more than .090

i dont know the specs on the 400 and 455

if the 455 is a stroked 400 then yes, you can make it into a 455 by buying the larger crankshaft

but if the 455 is a bored 400 and that bore is more than .090 (if it is only bored not stroked) you outta luck

hope this makes sense

 

yes it fdoes but you can make a pontiac 326 block and it will be the sam eblock as a 455 . yes they make big block 400's my mom had one in her 79 tal wella ctualy a 403 olds. but im talkingh about there smallblock.

 

WHEN A BLOCK IS MADE IT IS CAST WITH ITS BORE AND THEN FINISHED

IT IS NOT BORED OUT

FOR EXAMPLE

A 305 CHEVY AND A 350 CHEVY ARE BOTH SBC's

BUT DO THEY USE THE SAME BLOCK?

NO

THE 305 HAS A BORE OF 3.74 WHILE THE 350 HAS A BORE OF 4.00

YOU CAN NOT SAFELY BORE A 305 TO A 350

YOU WOULD NEED TO BORE .260

AINT GONNA HAPPEN

THE MOST YOU CAN SAFELY BORE A 305 OUT TO IS 313

THE MOST YOU CAN BORE A 350 OUT TO SAFELY IS 358

NOW, YOU CAN ALSO STROKE THE ENGINE, WHICH IS INCREASING THE CRANK

IF THE 455 IS A STROKED 400, THEN YOU SHOULDNT HAVE A PROBLEM

BUT IF IT IS REQUIRED TO BORE MORE THAN .090 TO ACHEIVE A 455 FROM A 400 THEN NOPE

THAT IS LIKE SAYING, "OK I GOT A 283 AND I'M GONNA STRETCH IT TO A 350"

WELL, YOU CAN ONLY OVERBORE IT .090 SO WHEN YOU PUT YOUR 350 CRANK IN THERE YOU'LL WIND UP WITH A 318 WHICH SOUNDS TOO MUCH LIKE A MOPAR MOTOR TO ME

LOL

I HOPE THIS DRILLED SOME "AUTOMOTIVE" RULES OF THUMB INTO YOUR HEADS

 

I know what your saying but i know im right on this one unliek the almunium heads but i knwo for a fact a 400 can be bored and stroked to a 455

 

David,
A Pontiac Block is the same EXTERNAL SIZE from the
50's onward.
Internally different sizes allow different bore stroke combos.
BUT a Pontiac 350 cannot be made into a 400 (to much metal out to work).
I am not sure about the 400/455. My books are buried!
NOW
ONTO THE 2.8
ALL I SAY IS
How much for that rebuilt 2.8 on the Kragen/Pep Boys Floor?
$1500.
How much for that running 3.4
What milage you want?
How much ya wanna spend?
Last time was 44K @$800.

LAST NIGHT I RACED a 2000 Z-28, infront of the VAN NUYS Car plant my Firebird was built at!
OF COURSE I LOST.
MADE ME WISH FOR THAT NITROUS BUTTON!
HELL MADE ME WISH FOR MY 1967 CAMARO FOR STREET RACING AGAIN!!
You can't win many races in these 60* things.
I got my A$$ HANDED TO ME!
I laughed so hard!!
They gave me thumbs up as I chased them!
I didn't plan on racing so they had a start but....
I gave them thumbs up just for owning that Camaro (at the light), Pretty Silver & nice exhaust & wheels.
Two smart kids enjoying the night!
Been a LONG time since I raced on Van Nuys! First Firebird loss there, too! My 1968 Firebird ALWAYS WON!

Plan the dollar for dollar spent on-
rebuilt 2.8-3.1
or
swapping in a running 3.4
See what wins.
I plan on spending $1500 for the 3.4 engine, rebuilt tranny and other stuff for my truck!
I have the good 2.8 block.
I am not giving it up, thtat's the best 60* block they made.
But for rebuild, it better be close to free.
I may put that 60* engine into a 1974 Vega Wagon, one day.

 

hehe thats exactly why i bought a Z28

 

Here's Proof....
Money can't buy you love, but....
2.8 #10081998 = $1676
3.1 #12513152 = $1808
3.4 #12537104 = $1751
800-824-6116 Fitzpatrick in Concord, No California
New long blocks.


NOW TELL ME WHY ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS WOULD NOT BUY A 3.4?
NOW TELL ME WHY YOU WANT TO GET ONLY A 2.8 OR 3.1.

Who cares about bragging rights of rebuilding a 2.8 or a 3.1? Yours & mine small 60* engines are not worth rebuilding. Just use them up (original engine) & swap in a better eveything (200 Foot Pound of Torque & 165 of Horsepower 3.4) in one swap.
Go get a used running 3.4 for under $800.
You bargin down your used running 3.4 deal.
My next 3.4, I'm spending $600.

 

Ok Ked , Thank you for correcting me on the pontiac 400 block deal, I knew you couldnt just punch out a 400 block to make 455 . the configuration of the pontiac block itself must be larger that the small block chevy.

On the 2.8 it depends on if you are buyin a new rebuilt long block or if you are rebuilding yourself. If I was to buy a longblock I would spend the extra 80 bucks and get the 3.4 . It all depends on what the person wants to spend and what they can afford.
I know I could rebuild my own 2.8 for alot less than 1750.00.