im jus wanderng if any ofu guys have four cylinders..and if so...how are they...ive honestly never seen one...:lala:

 

Yikes! I'd smack the man who ever THOUGHT of putting a 4-cyl into a camaro...

 

well...better go to GM and start slapping around every old engineer that was working on the thirdgen project. Those that didn't think of doing it, and contribute to the 2.5L iron duke motor in f-bodies still didn't stop it from happening. they're all guilty, but think about it the now rarirty of those cars creates something to have a novelty made out of.....interesting to see.

 

I see them all the time............at the junk yard. And what's funny is the motors are always untouched because NOBODY needs parts from them.

P.S. You're probably gonna get some $hit for calling your car a Z28.

 

acutally na, iwont..cuz its a true z....i bought it with a blown 305 and no trans...so i just threw a 2.8 cuz i had one from my prev. car..and there great on gas...

 

i used to have one. my 1st car. 82 Blue Firebird M4. i killed it. @ 127K miles on the car, i suddenly decided to be a master mechanic for 1 day.

 

I heard the 4 bannger had a 3.73 rear in it? Anyone know?

 

Yeah , they did !

 

Thank *** they did the gears with some loving to give that slow thing a kick! I remember now the iron duke... i nearly sh*t a brick when i heard of them! That's just cruel... i thought the V6 was wrong, but oh no... that's just insane!

 

Go into 'history/restoration' page 2 I think. Look for '4 banger firebird collector's item?' The guy has 4cyl that's in mint condition. I would've made a link but don't feel like figuring out how at the moment.

 

Wow, you've got some issues, eh? :sillylol:

And yep, that rear is a 3.73/open/drum, same axle that was on the '84 Camaro H.O car. I saw the 2.5l f-body in a junkyard once... only once... it threw me off. It wasn't in the f-body section, it was in another lane. I had to do a triple take when I saw what was under the hood- but that motor was pretty much stripped; the piston holes were open to the sky.

 

CamaroChick - You wanta Smack 'em ? I'll drive, you can smack 'em one fer me. I've got this love/hate thing for my car - there are some things they need smack'n for; like the way they crammed the little V6 up against the firewall, so you can't get at the bolts etc. Honesty, I think that some of those guys WERE ON DRUGS back in the '70s & '80s.
Lets see, who was in charge back then ? - John (buy some coke' from th FBI) DeLorian !!!
It all make sence!

 

If you don't like your V6 get outta here. This forum is for V6 people, not people who hate their V6's. If you don't like your V6, go get a V8 and leave the V6 baord. nobody wants to here people complain. and thats right. "insane" you are.

 

Ok, I'll pack.. roadtrip! And for the one hateing on me, bah... I am not running around screaming that I have a v6, but if it beats a sh*tstang, that's all I really need.. I am investing in a v8, though...

 

Ok... let me get this straight..

This forum is for V6 people... check
If you dislike you V6.. you have no right to be here... check


:hail: idiocy

 

I like the TTA's 3.8L Turbo Buick V6.....

I can't say I love my 3.1L V6 in my 92, but it moves the car, and I sure as hell can't design a better one, so I won't complain.....can I still stay on this board?

 

I feel the same way, If you aren't proud of your V6, You shouldn't be posting, I am very proud of my little baby, I beat a 2002 Cavalier LS Sport with a 2.4 DOHC 5-Speed, I had it up to 120 with plenty of pedal left, Why are you sitting there dissing V6's? Maybe we like a mix: Gas mileage and power!

 

I don't know which v6 the factory put in your babies but I must have the gimpie one... okay so i do get better gas milage than my man with a 305, but he has a good half car length on me when we race.. it just irritates me so badly i turn to my car in hatred..

 

Did you know that the old iron duke is the same bore and stroke as the good old 302? (4" bore, 3" stroke). Yep, it's pretty much a 302 chopped in half, (half of 5.0 is 2.5) which sounds good in theory, but for some reason, they made less than half of the HP and torque, probably due to the crappy induction system, weak cam, heads, and exhaust. There are still a lot of them running. Mostly in S-10 pickups, and I think maybe in some passenger cars, but I'm not sure.

 

My mom has a 1991 Buick Skylark with the 2.5, It's pretty peppy for her car but not for a Camaro

 

Those Iron Duke's suck. I've yet to see one that wasn't leaking massive amounts of oil from the valve cover. And the FWD versions have the distributor (or coil packs) buried behind the engine....dumbass designers.

Oh, and way to treat the only girl to come to this board since i've been here. Who cares if she doesn't like it? Who the hell are you to tell someone to leave?

 

A 4 cylinder in a firebird????I'm not an expert on engines or anything but i know that's a f*ckin Disgrace.If i wanted a 4 cyl it sure as hell wouldn't be in a camaro or firebird.I'v often wondered why they skimped so bad on power with the 3rd gen V6. My friend has a Eagle Talon TSI and i always told him it's the only 4 cyl i would ever own cuz it's a turbo and will actually run and there still isn't a very good chance of it. I did hear that sometime in the near future there suppose to be coming out with a corvette that has a switch so it can be ran as an 8 cyl or a 4 cyl.Anyone else know anything about that????

 

About 20 years ago, GM tried (unsuccesfully) a new concept with Caddilac. They had a 500 cube engine with "modular displacement". Basically, at full throttle, it was a V8. Moderate throttle, it became a V6 by using solenoids to keep the valves shut. At cruising speed, it was a V4. Great concept......but it just didn't work. The engine lasted 2 years.

Fast forward, today either MBZ or BMW (i forget) uses the technology on their V12 and it shuts off 1 bank and it becomes an inline 6. It's very possible that the next Vette could have this.

 

actually, I think it would be cool to have one of the 4cyl camaros, just for the shock value/gas mileage....can you imagine the looks on peoples faces when you tell them that it's a 4cyl.

lol..of course If I ever got one it would immediatly get the infamous TypeR and VTEC decals (like any good 4cyl motor) to turn it into a drag racing monster!, and if I really felt like whooping some LS1 ***, I would go all out with the ltd. edition Si-R decals.... j/k

I don't think anyone was telling anyone to leave, more of a "pay more respect to the V6"

I think anyone who drives a 82-92 f-body, because they want to should be welcome here; no exceptions.
It's the people who drive the 3rdgens, either because they can't afford something newer or a stuck with it or whatever, and show no respect for our cars what so ever, those are the people that should be flamed and harassed off this board.....

 

Well they probably have chips on there shoulders cuz if u look at the facts when they came out with the 4th gen F-bodies they gained about 40 hp i believe.And i think the 2nd generations do to.So what i'm wondering is what went through the heads of the designers?.Did they say hey i got an idea that will help us sell cars lets make them alot weaker.Especially since they were hugely outsold by the ford mustang. I'm sorry if anyone owns one but the 80's model mustangs are ugly as sh*t.They remind me of my first car a subaru gl hatchback.But they did do alot of stupid stuff on the 4th gen like i'm not sure exactly what year it was but the firebirds came with hubcaps.No Sportscar should ever not have rims.And my bro has a 97 camaro and it didn't come with dual exhaust like my 92 Firebird did he had to go to the junkyard and cut one off a Z-28.Until i heard about that HP thing i thought it was the 4th gen they skimped on. But anyway i agree anyone who owns an F-body should be welcome here cuz if not i'd get thrown off i have a 92' Firebird with no mods yet and a beat up hood........Andy
lol well i did tint the windows and put some 16" rims on it, does that count?

 

Redraif is also a female...

I don't see how you can be one of the few, the proud, chevy girls! if you don't like your chevy.

 

Oh yea dude, I hate it when people diss my car and I loved the look on my girlfriend's face when I blew by her Z-24. So girl, If you don't wanna respect the V6 F-Bodies there's no room for you here. Every time I see a post, Your always putting down your Camaro, Alot of ppl would do crazy **** just to say they have a Camaro!

 

Hee, hee. I thought you guys might get a kick out of this:

http://discussions.gmforums.com/foru...hp?forumid=356

Iron duke forum! One guy is building a turbo iron duke, another is adding nitrous, another is trying to build a 13 sec. Calais (snicker, snicker). Someone on there is selling a pretty hopped up iron duke engine for 2 grand if you want one!

 

the biggest issue to overcome during the eighties was emessions, they were around during the 70's but really not until the later part of the decade. You can also notice that when GM was producing big horsepower numbers during the seventies they were basically doing it with large displacement engines, 396's and 400's, not to mention 455's in some of those early trans ams. the 400 died in 79' and the trans am motor from then on out was i beileve 301? but not to sure, in 81 they did make a 301 turbo version, but horsepower i believe was roughly the same as the 79' transam's rated 210 HP, give or take a few. Third gens were lighter cars then the second generation firebirds and camaros and such GM thought they could get 1/4 mile times that would be close or equal to if not beter than the second gens and they could do this with smaller displacement engines. The cars weren't made to run a 13 flat, but instead be compribable to the get up and go of the previous model year. the biggest part of making thirdgens sell wasn't huge motors, or super fast cars, but the new body design that was considered incredibly modern and up to date compared to some other vehicles on the market, including the mustang that recieved it's face lift in 1979 i believe it was, a design from the previous decade. In order to fight off a growing demand for import cars (not import racers so much) was a fight for fuel effeciency in firebirds and camaros, but this was very hard to achieve if you were trying to pull out high ammounts of horsepower, and to make sure they could get their effenciency to keep up with the times, four and six cylinder applications were used. a six cylinder camaro/firebird had been around for ages (since the beginning) and they were never intended to be the super performance vehicles. By the time the 4th gens rolled around in the early 90's fuel injection had been in use on these vehicles for nearly seven years, and the ability to create power without sacrificing emessions was very possible. ten years later, at the end of the f-body lifetime the cars are producing high horsepower numbers once again, camaro at 340 and trans am running 350 horsepower appiece, but remember that all of this is still being done with 346 equpped (350) engines, not six cylinders. For the day, our 2.8L/3.1L v6's could run with the other given cars of it's time, they weren't super fast, but they were designed to keep you safe from say some passing truck, and not get beat by a honda prelude of the same year. but it'll be incredibly difficult for us to keep up with vehicles with improved technology of this modern world without extensivly modifying your engine, it's just the truth. The best way to do it is the Ked85 approach with is putting a modern engine into the bay, and fixing the horsepower problems. the factory 4th generation v6 cars are producing 65 more horsepower than the best of our 60* v6's that were rolling off the facotry assembly plant line, theres nothing that's going to change that, and they're made to hit the track and still turn at time in the 15's which is more than good enough to keep those tuned port injected v8's looking out their window to make sure they're in the lead.....and defiantely enough power to run with a factory v8 thirdgen. Just be happy with the car you've got, if you don't like it, its ok, go and by another one. There's not one person in america who'd tell you that a third generation f-body is a rare car, becuase they're not. Use ur car for what you want to if you want to make it fast, then make it fast, if you want to drive it in auto-x then do that too. Track it if you'd like, it's your vehicle. But for everyone, please lay off, i think there are a bunch of people who are taking things way to personal, and remember that although a 2.8L/3.1L v6 isn't necesiarly a dog slow motor, it's not going to run 12's outta the box, and that when designed, fuel economy was in mind, not some v8 beating monstor.

 

Yikes.. didn't mean to **** anyone off.. my chevy pride is in that i'd push my chevy before i drove anything not GM... if you just could drive my car for even a short distance you might understand...

 

i don't know you guys
i like my 2.8, gets great gas mileage and i beat most of the imports around here, i am not to worried about the stangs, just don't want some stupid import beating me, you know?

 

HEY , don't be puting down the iron duke engines, u sound like one of them 8 banger guys, if he gets his iron duke too 13 sec, u will be eating your words.

 

Oh, please! Have you ever seen a Calais? It looks like something my 93-year-old grandmother would drive! And as a matter of fact, I am "one of them 8-banger guys". My wife and I have three cars. One has a V-6, one has a 4-banger, and one has a V-8. Let's see, which one will get me into the 13's the cheapest. (Hint, hint: It's not going to be the 4-banger Corolla.).

I don't have a problem at all with people dumping money into a car with an unreliable engine that weighs 4000 pounds. After all, it's their money. Meanwhile, I'll spend the same amount to hit 10's in a thirdgen with a V-8, or a V-6 for that matter .

If this guy ever does run 13's in an iron duke with a Calais, I'll be laughing my ***** off when I see the timeslip. I just think it's an odd car to dump money into. It's like if you went to the track and saw a 10 second Yugo. Tell me that wouldn't make you laugh! There are cars that just look funny going fast, that's all I was trying to get across. It just blows my mind that someone would wake up one morning and decide, "You know what would be really cool? A 10-second Yugo! I think I'll build one!"

 

A 10 second Yugo!!! Now that would be pretty cool!!

Did you know that with four pepole you can pick a Yugo up and walk down the block with it?!?!?!? We did this once with my G/F's old Yugo. Fun little car! To bad it died.

 

i can agree with the yugo part of what u say but i bet if u put a supercharger on a new corolla it would run high 13s, yea for a 13 sec car that IS cheap. corollas haul @$$.

 

YEA! i was on the BC ferries and my football team picked up a yugo and turned it around! we waited for a bit while this dude was in a fit , then turned it back around for him.

 

Ha! You haven't driven mine! It sucks! It has absolutely no *****. Driving it is like driving a roller coaster. It is loud. You feel every bump. It stalls out going up hills and then speeds up when you come up over the top, and the winid blows it all over the road. If it were a 5-speed, it might be a little easier to drive, but it has a really $hitty slushbox automatic that downshifts whenever you climb a hill or try to accelerate from 67 to 68. Really annoying. Of course, it is a 91 and could probably use a good tune up. BTW, if you know of any good Corolla mod pages, let me know .

James

 

ok here is my 2 cents worth....I think that we should not be downing people for what they drive....saying that my v8 is faster than your 4 cylinder will ever be shouldn't be the point of a conversation. You need to look at why a car was built in the manner that it was. Obviously a four or six cylinder vehicle was not built with NHRA competition in mind. I have owned quite a few vehicles, and almost every one of them had good qualities. And (oh my ***!) I have even owned a 84 Honda Accord. No it didn't run 12's, (nor did I ever claim it could) but it was a fun little car to drive. My wife and I currently have 2 Pontiacs. I have an 85 T/A (305/700R4) and she has an 89 Sunbird (2.0/5 speed) and while they are distinctly different cars I like driving both of them. If you don't like how your car is driving then set back and figure out why and then save your money and make the changes you want to make. If you just don't like your car then get rid of it. Very simple. But the point that older cars are not going to be as powerful as the newer cars is a very valid point. Just like computers and the rest of technology improves with time. It's like expecting an Apple IIc to compare to a Pentium 4. It just isn't gonna happen. If you want like new performance you have to get like new parts. And no I'm not forgetting about add-ons like NOS or blowers. I am refering to stock. Like I said just my 2 cents worth

 

IMO....If I saw an F-body and some cheapo POS parked next to each other that ran the same time in the 1/4, I would defintaly "give props" to the guy with the F-Body.....

I don't really care if someone feels like taking a Yugo, or any other car and makes it fast....if it looks like a POS that's the way it's going to be treated....if he can run circles around me fine, the more power (heh heh) to him....I'm still gonna like the car that looks good better than the beater.

 

After reading all of you guys bashing each other and laughing at the idea of a supercharged 4 cylinder corolla getting into the 13s(ha ha), I can't even remember what the topic is. But anyway, we're all friends here. Anyone is welcome, no matter how ugly, slow, or stupid they are. (or their car is, for that matter) Good night

 

The Iron Duke 2.5 is a solid engine that can take more abuse then any V6 or V8. Ive driven a 82 firebird with a 2.5 under the hood and theres no lack of power considering the displacement value of the engine. I can honestly say a stock 2.5 would have half a car length on a stock V6 untill 60.

 

SSC ARE YOU FLIPPING CRAZY???????? Yesterday, I have a stock V6 Camaro and this thing has *****, As I was saying, Yesterday, I raced a 2002 Z-24 Cavalier with the 2.4 DOHC and it had the 5 spd, I handed his *** to him, There is no way in hell that a little 4 could keep up with a 6

 

What all do you have done to your car to be able to keep up with a high 15 sec car in your low 17 sec car? As I have said before, my Grand Am has that same engine, but its heavier then the z24, and I know for a fact I would stomp any stock 60* V6 thirdgen out there.

 

The 2.4 that your talking about is not the same as a 2.5 ID. A more honest comparison would be your car Vrs a 2.5 Fiero or a Fbody with the 2.5. Ive also driven the 2.4 Cavaliers with the DOHC's and I wasent impressed also drove a Cavalier Z34 3.4/auto and I was impressed, too bad I dident get that kinda power out of the Blazer.

 

I can see where SSC is coming from....all of the 4cyl F-bodies got 3.73 gears (only available from 82-84) and most were manuals.....compare that against an automatic carburated v6(i think there were some 3 speeds out there, not completely sure tho) with the stock 2.73 gears and i can see where a little "stripped down" 4cyl with no options could compete with say a fully loaded v6 berlinetta....

P.S. someone correct me if I am wrong!

uggh and cavaliers flat-out suck, I don't consider any car that can be had as a station wagon, a fast car (mind you, I have seen the T/A Wagon Prototypes, and other such cars, but generally and in this case it's not a fast car)...the fact that anyone bothered to race one of those is sickening...I'm pretty sure no one ever intended for those cars to be fast...even with a stick they feel lacking in power(if memory serves me correctly, I believe the last one i drove was a 1993)...I think my 'rents chrysler minivan is faster...

 

thats me.

boy this is an old thread. I did a search on the IRON DUKE to see what I could dig up. Ive been on thirdgen.org for a while and didn't even really use the search button to find out more info on my bird.

Its got the iron duke motor. Its slow, i don't ever claim its fast. i bought it in 98 and restored it to original. High school kid with a budget so I did the best thing....needed some wheels so I got it running.

I haven't done much too it since. Little odds and ends here and there. Keeping it a four banger as long as I can. I like the engine. its been somewhat reliable and tough. when it blows (if ever) I'll drop in an 8 holer. Anyway. enjoy some pictures of the duke.

http://www.cardomain.com/id/billsfirebird

 

Awwww..it's so cute. I've heard nothing but good things about the Iron Duke motor, besides the lack of power..but in terms of reliability and toughness, it's supposed to be incredible! Guess it isn't named something as manly as 'Iron Duke' for nothing!
Guy at my school has a red Iron Duke Camaro...he was trying to sell it for like $2000....interior is trash. Body's ok. He got laughed at when he said the motor.. I passed him going to work one day..I was making a right turn and he was on a street going to make a left across the road I was turning onto... Apparently the car decided to be good to me cause when I gave it gas in 1 and clicked it up into 2 (Yes it's an auto..I get bored so I manually shift it), and instead of lagging like normal the car hit 2nd right away with a loud squeal. I was shocked...I wonder if he saw my face as I passed... Lol..

 

Wow, talk about an old post! Sharp car, Bill!

The 700r4 gets double the line pressure when the stick's in manual first or manual second; that's probably where the tire squeal came from...

 

Tom...yeah..it chirped only because I was rounding out a corner though.. See, I KNOW the car will not shift when I tell it to. Period. So I habitually pre-maturely click the shifter into 2 and wait. Well, this time I clicked it early as usual, but it shifted as soon as I did..and I was near WOT rounding out a right turn, so the shift caused me to loose a bit of traction as I exited the turn. Boy was it cool. Sad part is, even with all that additional tranny pressure..it still doesn't keep my car from redlining every shift. It shifts into 2nd at around 30, which is very close to my redline..once I let the car keep going without me releasing the gas to force a shift, and I actually heard the motor STOP increasing in rpms..like, I hit dead top. I was scared...because that's gotta be quite a ways over 6 grand, and these dont have rev limiters that operate in gear, only out of gear right? Or none at all, I don't remember. Also, at WOT, mine shifts to 3rd in excess of 70 mph. By 70, the car is screaming like a bat out of hell and the engine is turning so many rpms that the entire car is vibrating.. It FEELS like it needs to be shifted by 65.....

 

Wow, so your car only shifts above 6 grand, even when you drive normally? Ouch... start saving up some $$..