hey im new to this........i just got a 92 Rs camaro with a 3.1 and a 5speed. i wanted to know what kind of cars i would be able to out run. by the way my car has 81k i paid 2200 hundred for it was that to much well thanks. Jeremy

 

Welcome to the board!! You can beat anything at the local racetrack, sign up for bracket racing. If you race a 12 second car, and you've got a 17 second car, they give you a 5 second head start. The racing part? You've gotta be the fastest to leave the starting line when the green light drops.

Street racing = bad news, especially if you just got the car and don't know how to drive/control it. (No offense meant, but I doubt you could pull the car out of a high-speed, sideways skid after just getting it.)

Sounds like a damn good price, by the way! Congrats!

 

While we're on the topic,

My friend has a 1985 impalla, big boat, must weigh over 3700lbs with him in it.
Its a 305, 190k miles. Burns oil, BADLY. Auto. His car is stock.

My car is a 1986 2.8, burns absolutly no oil. 140k miles. Auto, Runs real good. I have a cold air intake and soon doing major tuneup before I race him, and i'm buying a muffler soon.

Can I take him in a 1/4 mile?

Tips anyone? thanks.

 

I would say yes.
But I could be wrong.
I guess there is only one way to find out.
Race him, if you win you win, if you lose blame it on engine size.
I could beat an 85 caprice with my moms 2.8L celebrity no problem.


Now for the orignal post. Street racing is going to be a problem.
First its dangerous, but it still happens. Your probably only going to beat some old LX mustangs, or some old cavaliers (not the 3.1) things like that. Your not going to be taking out anything too new.

 

i beg to differ, i have out run a 2002 2.0protege, some type of accord, a malibu(3.1 i think), and a 3.0 spirit, but still they arent by any means real fast

 

youd probably have a good chance against the majority of the bone heads that would wanna race you- granted the 6 isnt quick but still quicker than the kid in the civic who has a muffler and thinks he has a hot rod-

 

First, I would take it to a empty parking lot, or even funner and safer to a track and practice with it first. Find your launch/spin point, your peak shift points. IMO the car is half a win, and the driver is the other half. A good combo of both, makes a win. If your maily intrested in racing, and having some power, do atleast a few mods to it first. Muffler, CAI, tb bypass, major tune up. Then look into power crank, chips, rockers, cam, stroker kit.

Thats my two cents. But I hope it helps or get some thoughts turning.

 

Heck, when I was in high school, I had a 87 Grand Am, 2.5, 5 speed. My buddy had a 81 Caprice, basically the same as the Impala. I don't know if his car was in real bad shape, but I could easily whoop his azs.

It's been said a lot here, a good running v6 will beat bad running v8. And the 305's in the Caprice/Impalla weren't exactly power houses.

 

well the only thing it has right now is a flomaster muffler but planing on a cam and some other stuff

 

Sorry my bad; your right. There are lots of poser racers who want to try something new, and will race stupidly like a 2.0 protege. The malibu could not have been trying cause the 3.1 in them has 175 hp :P

I should have said anything new with a V-6 in it. You should be able to contend with most newer 4 cylinders in baseline cars.

 

what TomP said. there's more to it in bracket racing but more often than not, the reaction time will determine the winner.

i'm not even touching street racing. too many uncontrolled variables.

 

Listen to Onix, he kicked me ****... :hail:

what do you think, will I break the 1.0X R/T next time?

 

most of us would have trouble with a top line grand caravan

 

sad but true....at least we can take down the stock hondas (civics and 4cyl accords)...which isn't bad for a 10 year old car, especially since most of the people that try to race drive them...

most cavaliers
some berettas
4cyl fox-body stangs
mustang II's
2ndgens (I don't see very many on the roads that are still stock though)
older toyota celicas
older honda preludes
any stock honda civic (as long as it's not a real SI)
most pre-95 small trucks (s10s, rangers, blazers, etc..)
lol, and just about any delivery truck....

 

I would like to see someone attept to outrun my s10. I have a 2.8l also. I have yet to drive any camaro that pulls like it. I would have to say any 4cyl small pickup. or a stock 2.8l. Go up against a 4.3l, your gonna have your hands full.

 

My friend has a 1985 impalla, big boat, must weigh over 3700lbs with him in it.
Its a 305, 190k miles. Burns oil, BADLY. Auto. His car is stock.

My car is a 1986 2.8, burns absolutly no oil. 140k miles. Auto, Runs real good. I have a cold air intake and soon doing major tuneup before I race him, and i'm buying a muffler soon.

Can I take him in a 1/4 mile?

I used a simple math formula to see which car would 'theoretically' be faster. The formula goes like this: HP=(weight)/((E.T./5.825)^3) Solving for ET and guessing at the horsepower and weight, I came up with the following. Just a guess by the way:

Camaro: Weight=3250, HP=105, E.T.=18.29
Impala: Weight=4000, HP=125, E.T.=18.49

This does not include things like traction or any variables like that. This formula also uses rear wheel HP, so it is really an educated guess for both cars. Hope that helps you some.

 

I guess we'll see in a couple of months.

I'll come back and tell u guys

 

definitely. the interval between 2 consecutive lights is 0.5 sec. if you were launching @ the green and getting 1.0X R/T, then launch @ the last yellow to get 0.5X R/T. if you were launching @ the last yellow, then launch @ the 2nd yellow.

 

A Geo Metro. Just kiddin'

Actually I've raced an early model tricked-out Civic. Believe me, the Civic was quick on the highway. It cut me off and took off.

I thought, "is the Civic challenging me?". So, I caught up with the Civic. Then I let the Civic get away from me. I again caught up with the Civic. I was hitting 110-115mpg to get to the Civic, and believe me, my Camaro did this with authority...no hesitation.

Both of us were cutting through traffic playing cat and mouse. I guess the civic became frustrated or something because the I kept catching up to it.

When I caught up to the Civic, it didn't do anything, so I eventually past it up.

All this happened on a busy Friday night commute.
When I got home, I kicked myself for driving like this though.

That's my story.

Before the incident w/ the Civic, I played cat and mouse w/ a 1990-style Mustang GT. But this time I was the mouse.

Akshay
1989 2.8 RS T-5 w/ 2-chamber Flowmaster

 

My cars been running excellently...I was going stoplight to stoplight with a93-94 V6 Mustang and kept up pretty well...Wasn't exactly a "race" but I think I fooled him into thinking I have a V8.

You know how a lot of V6 Mustang drivers (and a lot of import drivers) are...If you can beat them, then you must have a V8.

 

Its like play ground rules most of the time I scare people out of even trying. Kinda sucks sometimes. Only ones that have really raced me were trucks. And lots of dodge trucks, dullays, diseals. why I dont know.

The racing striped and ram air hood kinda throw most people. BMW,lexus, and sporty thing you can think of but all stock on the way to work everyday. 99% of them give up when I rip secod gear. 45% of them could of won.

camaros ,vetts, rustangs never come around. They are allwasy going the other way. Once a new cobra but he only went across the river and got off. I was just getting on and reving 3rd. I love getting on the eway with our 60o motor. they rev so fast. they may lack power but they will out rev anything but a bike. high fast rmp's with gears, can make up for lack of HP.

Course there is a draw back to the rpm's thing. OUr cars have two modes. slow or fast. If you give it your all it will fly, if you are slugish in any gear, espically first, just forget about it.
you gotta go for it all the way if you want to win. full revs to redline or beyond. with my ram air hood, once into second It pulls hard to redline. 3rd it will go a little more. 1st is about stock shift point for peak hp/torque. ram air does not start working til about 2500-3000 rpm in second gear.
and on a cold night in a head wind it really feels like a turbo.

 

Gumby, my car is *exactly* like yours. If I get the RPMs way up, like 3500+, then my car is faster than a bat out of hell. But if I don't, it's sooooo slow. Even if I redline all the gears (even first) it won't take off. I almost think that going WOT before the launch may erase the blocklearn in the ECM, so it doesn't try and give you just enough fuel for regular driving. I dunno, maybe somebody that knows the real answer could tell us:hail:

 

I keep thinking of doing a 700r4 mod to get around some of that. make it easier with a hi rpm stall.

Our gas pedal is kinda touchy, i raised my stock idel to 1000 rpm just to help with a launch. when you gotta launch 2500+ what do i need with a 700rpm idel 4???
I would love a two position idel.

1000 rpm for slow driving and 2200-2500 for having fun. makes it easier to keep it where you want.

Course ive also thought of getting a small throw pedal. so you only move it half as much to go all the way.

not sure, two position idel would be sweet.

 

I *think* something like that might be possible if you could put a variable resistor in between the signal from the Idle Air Control and the ECM. It depends on if as air pressure increases the resitance from the IAC increases or decreases. If it increased, then you could just have a little dial (variable resistor) that you could control your idle speed with. Damn, that'd be sick as hell I dunno, maybe somebody somewhere tried this.

 

Could allways use some bicycle cables and levers, move a piece of metal or plastic in the way so the idle is higher.

 

man this whole board sucks excwpt the V6 section. I tried to ask the question on the TPi section but like allways no one has anything good to say but buy a V8. like that is the solution to every problem. buy a V8, dumb a$$es

 

you're telling me! I looked into doing a v-8 swap for about 2 days when I first got my car. Then I said, screw it, I'll just buy another camaro if I want a v-8. The more camaros the merrier, right? So I'm just gonna wait until the price for the 98 z28s comes down. (then we'll see what these guys with stock v-8s have to say when they run into me ) But in the mean time, I'd like to squeeze more performance out of my 6. (not to mention that I plan on keeping my SC forever anyway). But I look at it this way: When I bought my car, I bought it almost totally for appearance. My first car was an 85 Plymouth Horizon that my grandmother gave me. (This had to be the slowest, ugliest car ever made). So when I went to buy a car, I wanted a sports car. The V-6 was cheaper to buy and insure (people say there isn't a difference, but when you're 18 those two extra cylinders sure do cost a lot) Plus it was better gas milage. HP wasn't even a consideration for me. So I bought it, and drove it fast. Nobody told me that a v-6 was supposed to be slow until I found the boards here. Now these guys that say "just put a v-8" would have never bought a v-6 in the first place because their primary concern when buying the car was HP. I think thought, that once you buy and f-body, the speed bug bites and you have to go faster. But nobody pays attention to the fact that these are sports cars. The base model isn't supposed to be an economy sub-compact. They're still intended to go fast. But that's just my $.02.

 

most of us would have trouble with a top line grand caravan

lol my parents used to have a full size chevy conversion van and it would lay rubber when u take off. I'm thinki'n probably cuz it was so heavy and RWD but it still had some power.It was concidered a luxuary van too and one theory i have is with luxuary comes power........Andy

 

you could easily beat me, sometimes i think i could run faster than my car. we're talking about a 35 minuet mile here. oh well, once my 350 is built up i'll be able to drive faster than i can run.