the title says it all. do they make a set of the 8.5mm superconductor wires for the 2.8?

 

Not explicitly, you might be able to find a set that fits. I've always bought the universal wire sets, that way, I can run them the way I want. I used to buy #31179 (summitracing.com part number search for MSD-31179), it's the 6 cylinder HEI set, with long spark plug boots. You can actually put the plug boot on the plug, and give the boot a little "bend" to keep it off the engine (and hot spots). But now I buy MSD-31199, it's the same set, but with 8 wires, for only $3 more! All the wires are much longer, and you wind up with two spares. Not bad for an extra $3.

As to running them my own way, I don't run them around the corners of the motor; that's too much of a pain in the butt- I've got better things to do with my time. Plus, I've made it look much sweeter, as you can see by the passenger side of the motor in my "how I mounted my Blaster SS coil" picture series:

 

i know they are not MSD's but Magnecor makes three different sets for our cars and their KV85 wires are a better wire than the MSD's are.

 

I'd like to see that test! Cause MSD's are pretty damn good! At the local drag shop, they've got an MSD display with 7 different wires all hooked up and you check resistance on all..I believe the Magnecor had one of the highest levels, although I'm sure it was probably an unfair comparison. My Taylors were ranked at round #4 or #5 I believe...Accel 8.8's made 2nd...

 

I was considering this just the other day, myjers was cleaning out their selction for wires real cheap. 7 bucks for a v6-v8 set of 7mm.

I was wondering if i could just rewire the cap and run dual 7mm wires for each one.

but Im not sure how that stuff work or if it owuld be too much for it.

 

The Accels rated that high?
Glad I use the good stuff.
I obtained just because of my 20+ years of street use of Accel stuff.
Go to a HiPo Coil first, get that set up with old wires then move up to the Better plug wires.

If this works, I'll be amazed!
Ah well, still can't attach a pic yet.

 

Yeah, I was surprised the Accels rated that high too....I knew they were good wires, but I didn't know they were THAT good. Would've gotten them except that I'm color coordinating my entire car, and I needed blue wires...only company I found that made assorted color wires was Taylor.

 

Here's the best wire availible- Its what I run. Taylor 409's (10.4mm)
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...57#largerimage

 

Wow.. I didn't think the 409's had a spiral core..I thought they were solid core, pure-bred race wires....not good for EMI or RFI. I see what they are now...they're my wires, the Taylor 8mm Spiral cores, but with extra layering and heat protection...

 

yea, 90 some bucks, no thank you.

Id give my dual wire idea a shot first,

 

IF acceptable
Accel 300+ wires are Black.
I paid $12 for mine that were for a Ford set up.
I converted to my GM usage (1974 Corvette original small cap distb) for a few $ more.
I changed ends to fit the distb cap.

 

I have them on both the '87 Camaro and the '89 truck both with computers. I First hooked the truck to a friend scope at his shop to check their resistence- the coil wasn't even breaking a sweat! The flow on 409 wires are so great they completely dispense the entire charge from the coil and it never gets hot in the least bit.

 

yep you are right the Magnecor wires show more resistance on MSD's little test display. but why then does Lingenfelter say that Magnecor is the best wire out there and he is someone associated with Accel. go to Magnecor's website and readup on them and the MSD test display (www.magnecor.com)

 

You mean there's a test display, that's set up by MSD, that only favors the MSD, in the test?
Imagine!
jk!
Having edited TV commercials in the 80's & 90's, you'd never imagine the stuff I "created" to make the product look best! Or the effects for the productions to make the results favor the sponsors product....

 

I think MSD wires are best in terms of allowing a lot of electrical juice while reducing electronic interference. My MSD wires looked like TomP's. I had modified a V8 socket style to work on the HEI. The connection wasn't 100% tight so I put my Crane Cams back on. I need to buy the HEI distributor boots so I can put the MSD back in. The only reason I got that V8 socket set was because I got them for $20. Even I when I order the universal boots for $10, I will still be up $20.

 

WHERE did you find that good deal at Karl ?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

Ventura Swap meet, Ventura California. One foggy Sunday morning drive from Santa Monica to the swap meet at the ocean.
I also scored new rotors for my Blazer at $10/each.
Love swap meets.
Believe me, I handed him the dough before he spoke again! Then two three spaces down were the brass/copper ends & angled boots for a GM vehicle at $5.
I bought a spark plug maker tool from PAW for $28.
Sat on my condo porch one day & just made spark plug wires.
Still have/use them on the car.
The plug ends are wrapped in asbestos (3" wide strips) from a welding store, tied up with stainless steel wire, so the boots don't burn on the header pipes.
I saw that trick on Smokey Yunicks 1968 Trans Am Camaro, now owned by Vic Edelbrock, that I saw at a Trans Am race. My Corvette was in the car show at Tustin (CA) Marine Air Field base.

I'm about to install the "temp" set of plug wires from my left over pile, on my 3.4 powered Blazer.
Thanks to you, Wayne, for leading me to that digital tester for $20!

 

Karl, My Vette was in the Marconi/Chysler Thunder Vintage race/ car show every year. You would have to have seen it there.

Guys, here's the difference between 8mm & 10.4mm wires. Sorry about my crappy webcam pic.

 

Wow

 

Anything over 8mm is really overkill for a stock ignition system. Larger wires also means a reduction in radio and electronic suppression. It may interfere with some electricals nearby. Something to think about.

 

First, I don't have or believe in stock ignitions Edit: (Except for the sh*tty stock distributor I am stuck with no alternatives in the V6)

Secondly, 10.4's have been on both of my ECM cars for six months or better and no radio interference at all- and one car was hooked to a scope to check resistence before and after and made a VERY noticable difference on the strain or lack of to the coil. My neighbor who owns his own shop put me up to it. He wanted to see if they would have any inprovement an they did.

 

I agree with devian on the overkill issue. Only reason you'd need wires that thick is for extreme heat. I'd say 99% of the V8 guys on this board don't even need those Taylors. It's just extra insulation, that's all. 'Fact they even say that as part of the wire's description! If you need protection from a ton of heat, or maybe even running a magneto, then yeah, these wires are a good idea. Otherwise, I'd have to snicker at someone running 10.4mm wires on a v6- especially with a stock ignition!

And I'd say to go the other way than Karl.. get the good wires, then put the aftermarket coil on. No reason to run extra juice thru super-thin stock wires!

One more thing, install your wires Clean. Getting oil/grease on spark plug wires isn't good; the oil seeps into the insulation, and you can get spark leak. So go wash your hands before touching your new wires!

Dual-wires won't help things. Electricity takes the shortest path between two points. Only one of those wires in a dual-wire configuration will be powering the spark plug. Splitfire has this idea with their dual-core wires, but they suffer the same problem; electricity doesn't work that way. Funny how they don't claim that the spark splits into two sparks from their spark plugs, but they claim that the spark splits into dual cores.

 

I have never seen "dual " wires before ...anyone have a pic ?

 

Man ! I wish they had those swap meets down here ! ...Im glad you like your Multimeter Karl ! I hate recommending something for someone to buy and they end up not liking it you know .

 

Tom, you should remember that my little V6 is running 16sec flat times ( unofficially a 15.8, then 15.9 in two consecutive runs with a passenger and a stopwatch 1320' marked off.)
There are alot of little reasons that all add up as to why my 2.8 car runs this well- This being one of the many little extras. The proof is there- you buy good parts and they will reward you in return.

The other ingnition parts i run are Autolite plugs (I keep telling everyone this but no one listens), Thermal plug boots, Hypertech 53,000v coil, new A/C Delco module, cap and rotor, and pickup coil (Delco's are the best-Don't go to that aftermarket crap.) and 13* advance on the crank. I have to run atleast 91 octane or the car runs terrible. Oh yes, and a 200 amp alt util just recently that gave me all the juice I needed.

 

Tom, I do agree, also.
I discovered that I usually have "decent" wires.
But upgrading to a better coil produced the results I really felt (I tried this theory with my Blazer & then the Firebird).
Honest, you know the "6 of one 1/2, dozen of another" theory.
AFGT.
Was your Corvette in the show or the Trans Am show on the track?
And you'll heartily endorse this.
THE FIRST TIME TRANS-AM RACE WAS THE BEST!!
I stood at the end of the turns going into the final straight-away (the stands) & just enjoyed EVERY CAR COMING STRAIGHT AT ME!!!!!!!!!
Last show bummer was that guy killing himself as he flipped his ride.
Other bummer...
I never got a chance to sit in the CHEETAH I saw with the 63-65 FI & the TWIN AIR METERS ON IT!
My `74 Corvette was entered every year, til the "offical" end (Motor Trend sponsor).
At the end of the final show, after taking the pic I'll send ya, I did a doughnut in the air ship building.
OH YES, I LEFT QUICKLY after that!
I knew I'd never be returning, nor would the show, so...
IF ya hear of this event going on again please inform! And I'll bet I've already met ya if you had a Corvette, there

Wayne, I suggest you figure out a way to help all these frustrated Hot Rodders. Find a way to set up a car swap meet. The scale needn't be massive as the Pomona swap meet.
www.pomonaswapmeet.com
Yeah, that meter is pretty cool.

 

The car that wiped out in turn one that shut everything down was the McClaren (M6 ?) I think M6 is or should I say was its label. Anyway, it was only 1 of three street version McClaren Can Am car in the world and the only one that was driven. The gal that wiped it out was doing a chairity drive and had paid $5000 to take it for two laps- She hit the wrong pedal going into turn one and wiped out a historical 2 million dollar car. I'm sure we have meet if you were there You have the remenber the Orange '67 Firebird with the Aluminum small block running B-production. What a h e l l of a show he put coming out of that last jont into the front strait on the final lap, the frikin car was sideways all the way across the finish line- probably 300' at better than 100mph - thats some power! My Vette has always been in the main hanger show indoor.

 

A passenger and a stopwatch? I still say that 10.2 wires are complete overkill for a v6. You're only running a 53,000 volt coil. Those wires are rated up to 100,000 volts, and with less saturation at higher rpm's, I doubt you're seeing 53,000 volts near redline. You'd see the same time from a set of MSD 8.5mm's. Wires aren't a magic mod- unless you have 20 year old wires, or unless you have really thin wires. I do agree with you that you get good results when you buy good parts; that's why I change my $76 wire set every year.

 

6SPEED: THANK YOU! I checked out the Magnecor website and read up on what you said..I was very unaware that the pulse traveled AROUND the wire, not through the middle... I always appreciate being a more informed consumer.. Surprising to see such a raw website for the Magnecor's....filled with information, not marketing and poses and oversimplified bullcrap... Didn't think anyone still sold products on the honesty principals anymore...

 

Autozones base line plug wire "ultra spark" are 8mm

noticed that when doing my sisters cap n wires.

It dont say anywhere on the box but it does on the wire, they are good and cheap and now 8mm

keeps getting better

 

no problem. it is nice when companies don't try to sell a bunch of flashy stuff. and instead explain to you in depth of how a product works.

 

I have a set of "modified" ford wires on mine right now. Been on for 3-4 months no probs...