OK...I'm putting a dual Y-intake from a 86 camaro.Here is the question.I have a bowtie type grill with no foglights.If i create a ramp or scoop if you will,behind the foglight area so that air coming into there as the car is moving will be "directed" to the air filters up top,will there be a noticable change, if any.I dont use the A/C, so the evaporator is not really a concern at the moment.I just dont want to cause the radiator temp. to get hot if I divert the air from the foglight area.I think the radiator gets cooled from a draft being created from the air dam underneath the car.Let me know.THANKS

 

It'll make somewhat of a difference but it'll be minimal, and only at higher speeds.. I'd just leave it and let it cool the radiator..it's far more effective than that. I took it off for a few days and drove around normally..I was shocked. With the air dam intact, average operating temp was well below 190-195....with it off, the car, during cruise, was pushing past it...it was probably a 20-30 degree difference. The BIGGEST differences you will notice in your air intake are making sure all the tubing/ducting is a good size..3 in or bigger...and eliminating as many harsh angles as possible. Cant stress this enough....the straighter the better!

 

i couldnt see how adding those ducts infront of your radiator would hurt cooling that much as long as you have that air dam in place underneath...the front bumper on 'birds are like a wall of plastic, so i would think that the air dam is designed to be able to do the job itself if needed

 

I have heard of people doing this and running hotter afterwords ! I would just cut the bottem of the boxes out . That's how mine is set-up . I have the grill with the louvers pointing up towards the airboxes , so my set-up is just like ramair except no tunnels directing the air to the boxes because the louvers do the job , while at the same time my radiator gets air to !

 

I would just cut the bottom of the boxes out then take the air lid off and cut off the excess material that is just above the air filters, this is what I did and I got some nice gaines at highway speeds. Here soon I am also going to replace the rubber peice between the MAF and the TB with a smooth one since the stock peice does not help in smoothing out the air to well LOL.

 

I pretty much did what you are talking about. I cut the bottom of the air boxes off and hooked up some scoop looking things that point out at my fog lights. They are square on one end, where I hooked them to the boxes, and round at the other end, where they stick out the grill. You cannot see them unless you stick your head in my front end. They are some sort of cooling/heating duct for homes, I'll see if I can take a picture. I have a pic somewhere on this site that i posted a while back.

As far as performance, my car does not run hot. Most of the air that goes to the radiator is pushed up there by the air dam from underneath the car, and this does not affect that.

It does not have much effect on take off, but it does pull a little harder at high speeds.

The main and best effect in my opinion, is this: NONE of the air that goes in the intake has been in the engine compartment, so it is all cold air going in. I know some of you guys who live in the warmer areas and drive a lot have experienced almost a bogging down sensation when the car has been on for a while, heated up, and you floor it, it gets loud, but doesnt seem to go anywhere. For me, this solved my problem. My engine compartment is really hot, and this was the solution.

I bought a cheap airbox from the junkyard because this is a pretty ugly operation. But I spent 9 bucks at Lowes on the ducts, and bought a buttload of sealent to seal it up.

Try it and see if it works for you. My pics should still be around here somewhere....

if you can't find them I'll try to take some more and put them up by next week or so.

 

I found them on a search so they are still up...but I'm on one of the mac's at my college and I don't know if I'm retarded, but it won't let me copy and paste the address!! so do a search for my user name or air intake, and the pictures are under a long thread that Nixon1 started, called air intake ideas or something.

 

As long as the air dam is intact, the radiator should get enough air whether there are tubes going through the foglight holes or not...they arent big enough to restrict that badly. The two major considerations in building an air intake are what you're going for exactly. If you're looking for throttle response, go with a shorter system with less bends in it instead. That won't necessarily make the most power, but it'll add nice throttle response...car gets up and goes quicker. For a harder pull at top end, build the system to take in colder air as the major consideration, instead of shorter. I've found a compromise between the two works the best. I tried a system running 3 in. duct with a conical located behind the grille...pulled decent but too many bends in the system..the throttle response was mushy and the engine sounded unhealthy because it couldn't breathe quickly enough. But then I tried throwing the conical on the end of that little intake flex tube..had to bend it slightly to make clearance. That gave AWESOME throttle response and insane power on a cold engine, but as soon as the engine warmed up...I lost all power because the radiator blew straight hot air at it. It all just depends on what you want.

 

That is exactly what mine prevents; that dude needs to check out the pic I posted.

 

Yeah..it's a good setup if you have the hardware already..he should. I've got a 90-92, so I'm going with a different method rather than buying a junkyard stock dual snorkel setup and modding it...