2.8 + T5 x RPM's = Catch me if you can...

I totaly wooped on a 90 bonnie.

He was beinhd me trailing close and I left the light slow giving him the chance to try and pas me. But he waited till I was already in third, so when he starts to pass, I droped it into 2nd but was already going too fast ; So I hit third as he passes me; I jump onto the wrong side of the road and I was able to pass him in third and he hung on my back bumper till about 5000 rpms in 4th
[ he was about hlaf a car length behind] and then I shifted into 5th and pulled away.

I wonder if his speed limiter kicked in???

I know I aint got one.

I had too apply the brake hard for a good 5-6 seconds before the speedo neddle moved.

 

nice, i really think v6s are not that bad from a roll, i took on a z28 and beat it i was makin a left and so was he after the left he changed lanes and floor it to try to pass me and soon as he got next to me i hit it we stayed same for about 3 sec then i just started passin him by the time we both cut down he was at my bumber. that made my day!lol.

 

ur bragging because u beat a bonneville in a race? yo, its a family car. you shoudl be able to beat it......if u cant thats pretty pathetic. no offense but i have a 87 3.4 that would probably destroy your car but i dont brag about it.....especially if i raced a 90 bonneville......hahahahhahahahahha

 

Yeah, a GN is a family car, but I'd be bragging if I beat one of those... give me a break....

 

Where did these two butt cheeses come from.???


Do you know the guy who owned that car, did you see a grandma driving it??? That bonnie had mods atleast to hang with me so well but I was surprised he kept up for so long then drop off all of a sudden.

A 70’scutlass was a family car, a caprice was a family car, a 70’s monte carlo was a family car, 68 chevelle wagon was a family car, the old 98 with the 403 was a family car and bet I could find many of each [, un moded] that would blow your door off. Ill fry any v6 thirdgen with my wagon, including mine. What’s your point???

Oh wait you aint got one, just a spoof from my ***.

 

Hey AmorgetRS I think I decoded your nickname.

A moron gets an RS.

Am I right???

 

You mean to tell me that your 2.8 beat a family 4 door, with an extra liter on you? Somehow, I don't see a 3.8 getting stomped by a basically stock 2.8. OR even a modded one, short of head work/cam

 

WTF are you talking about? I was defending you! Read the post... family car = GN, why not be proud of a good kill, even if it is a family sedan? Chill out man....

 

ha ha

 

yea he had liters on me a 3600 / 3.8 and this was a top end race not Q mile

but gears make the difference, only reason I even like my car. I can out rev just about anything. I dont know if I could deal with an auto 2.8, I can get on the eway ramp doing 35, hit third and out rev everyone already goin 70.

but he did hang till about 5 grand in 4th, but then I left him.

I wonder if his 110 speed limiter kicked in. We were going for 2-3 miles and had plenty of clear road ahead.

Id say for a top end race he hung with my the farthest. most people give up beofre I can rev out 4th. and then most give up by the top of third.

course I will also give it everything it has, wide open full rpm shifts, dont care if it blow up, I'm gonna win.


most poeple I fake out, I can get ahead enouh with a launch and when they hear the tires squealing when I shift into second, most give up. Thinking I got much more than I got.

I have not had many people race me on top end, just that bonnie and a big @ss dodge truck, the truck could get next too me but not pass me.

It is only a 2.8 but the T5 gears really help. I say it like driving a 600 motorcycle, you can either go slow or fast. But you gotta give its all, if you wanna get anywhere fast.

 

 

well you got caught in some cross fire, I have nothing but love for all fellow thirdgeners. even if I chew them out and call their mother names. [its us aginst them ford guy] But I bark first and ask questions later.

I only have problems with obvious or blantent stupidity, I never squash someone’s creativity or enthusiasm for V6 talk. This is the V6 section and talking about anything related to a V6 car in other sections gets ignored. I even try to stay away from obvious dumb post but sometimes I can not, not say anything.

I also am a bit of a comedian and can't pass up an easy line and your nickname just screamed at me, "easy shot here".

 

Well, that's my prob with this story... even if his limiter kicked in, a 2.8 / T5 w 3.42 rear stock pulls to just under 4 grand in 5th gear (~120mph) and will hold that for about 5 minutes before the right pass tire blows the tread clean off, and your buddy with the '92 305/auto stuck @ 115 runs the tread over. Ask me how I know.

The point is, you may have out run him, but I firmly believe the 3.8 woulda outrun you to that 110 limiter. As well, a decently tuned 305 will outrun you after 2nd gear. I got the jump on Dan's '92, held him off till 2nd, and when I nailed third, he just up and walked away from me.

Also, FYI - 35mph is still 2nd gear territory... under 40, 2nd, under 60 is 3rd - 70+ is 4th, and over 100 I stick with 5th.

The cars make max power @4400 rpm. Spinning 6k+ isn't doing anything but making noise.

 

Understandable, but I have a certain distaste for being attacked after I try and defend someone....

 

yea well, obviously gumby is just an idiot. i dont really see the point in bragging about an unofficial race against a family car, no matter what it is. its probably because i should be on a v8 board but i am stuck with a v6 yet.
and oh yea, hey 'gumby' i dunno what the heck a butt cheese is but ur definately the one sticking ur cheese d*ck up other guys' butts. and oh yea, as Doward proved, ur story is complete
so get a life, a real car, and some better comebacks and insults. and if your going to talk about older family cars, my view point still stands, why not get a real car like a 1967 corvette 427 which i have sitting in my garage and would blow away any chevelle wagon or montecarlo.

 

and another thing, my friend has a 4 cyl 5 speed escort and even that would destroy your car so just dont even bother trying to defend yourself

 

Just curious... why is your '67 vette a 'real car' and a V6 camaro isn't?

 

Nothing is stopping you from not visiting this board and hanging out will all the cool folk over on the V-8 boards....

 

yea what ever spoof.

with only 12 post under your belt, your opinion counts for **** around here.

Bet this is the same spoofer who gets banned every week, then show up with a new name.

come back when you, oh wait, don't come back.

spoof

 

you need to tune up your car, your may only pull to 4400 but min dont. it pulls hard all the way up to 6000 once out of second gear when I get enough speed up and the ram air start kickin.

I dont even use a tach for shifting, thats dumb, if you ever rode a dirt bike you know how to feel the power and when to shift. no shift point is ever at the same spot, it changes all the time and the only ture way of know is the seat of your pants.


if yours only pull hard to 4400 you got some problems. a 2.8 make more power than that with good mods.

why in the hell would my tire blow off??? i got 165 mph z rated tires.???


n sure he would out run me in a real race, from the start, but no body was racing till about 35-40 it was a slow rool race and a fair kill. I won, he could hang but not pass me.


first night of my new clutch with two poeple in my car, I got scrath in all 4 gears. I can still do 3. you must have a really crapy 2.8

 

yea I have a garage full of cars too.

i got a v12 jag in my garage but only drive a v6 bird.

you know how that goes,


so does your daddy let you sit on his lap n drive it too????

 

I just told it how it was, Im not here looking for attention or to make up stories.

If your ever gonna be near Toledo,Ohio feel free to stop by and take my car for a drive.

Everyone including my friends are shocked how well my 2.8 runs.

 

Ok all the arguing, I thought a kill was a kill. Hell with the 60* family, any is a good one.

I constantly have a kid at school wanting to race his 89 civic, all motor,(all STOCK MOTOR) with a CAI that thinks he can beat a modded 92 3.1 W/5 Speed. You know what? he keeps tring, and I keep having **** for dinner! I stop after 3rd.

 

Rather typical in the ***** mind that their car is supperior to any domestic car, no matter what the facts and proof say. It is very sad at time....

 

I honestly laughed when I read this response. Where to start? Ok, first -

Z rated tires? Buddy if you got real rubber under those fenders, you will NOT grab past 2nd gear. Unless you've got some Civic-style 205/50/15s. A 2.8 does not have the power (unless you're running a power adder) to spin them as you've described. A real good set of tires will keep you stuck to the road, putting that power where it needs to be. a set of 255/50/16's in the back of that will stop that. If 245/50/16s will stop ~300 lbs/ft of V8 from spinning after 2nd, I KNOW a 2.8 has NO chance of spinning them. A posi will only amplify that traction.

Second -
Using a tach for shifting is dumb? Ever heard of a shift light? Ever wondered what it was used for? Ok then. Dyno run your car, see where max power is made, and shift just north on the rpm spectrum. This is where you will run your fastest (provided no huge gear drops in the tranny!) Ask anyone at the track if they just spin their motor to the moon, or if they shift as I have just described.

Third -
Did I say anywhere that my car pulls to 4400 only? No, I believe I stated that max power is achieved @ 4400rpm with the stock cam. Unless you're gonna come back now and say you've got ported heads, running 1.6 rockers on a 204º/214º @ .050" lift cam, WITH a set of headers and exhaust work, THEN you might get your max power around 6000 rpm. Of course, some intake work would REALLY help that out, too! But you knew that, right?

Fourth -
My car needs a tune up... *insert mad laughter* I'm as **** retentive about the tune of my car as TomP is! (no offense man! ) New clutch, new tranny, new plugs/wires, reset timing, etc etc etc... Short of a new block, there isn't much more to tune. Oh wait... I DO have another block I'm putting together! Scratch that then.

Of course, the easiest way is to figure this out my own fav way. Bring your car on, then we'll see what happens

 

that's one thing i love about these web boards. if your car is in good running order, with a few mods, and you know how to drive it.... your labelled

 

lol i cant stop laughing!! way to show him the power of the mighty 2.8!

 

Ha ha....I don't think anyone is arguing that the car won't pull past 4400....but there isn't much of a point in revving it out because you're way out of your power peak. You'd be better off shifting earlier and coming strong into the powerband of the next gear!

 

no one eve bother 2 think that if it was 90f out side on a sunny day I might have gotten my hat handed too me, but it was about 0f or lower at night [10pm] and a air temp of some where in the minus reagon.

Im telling ya with the ram air, on them cold windy days that ram air is a pleasure toy. now when it hot as hell out side my results are not the same. a few time i have gotten into a head wind on a cold day and I swear it felt like I had a turbo under the hood, that little 2.8 will just pull and pull and pull hard all the way up to full redline. i dont care what some book told you the peak on a 2.8 is.

peak changes al lthe time, with air temp, fuel metering, moisture, and a guzillion other factors.

[After everyone talking we need a thirdgen get together at norwalk raceway, Ill clean all your clocks if your short shifting @ 4400 in a stick, I will stick my 2.8 where my mouth is or blow the rods out of it trying, bet]

my motorcycle is the same way. I know when 2 shift by the seat of my pants. i can feel the car/ bike or what ever pulling. Its so easy its child play, your depending on some number in a book rather that what a racer relies on, the seat of their pants.

Thats the problem with cars, its not usually the car but the driver and I will out drive most people. i guess it also depends on how much time you have spent on or in something without a tach.

a tach is only for reference not a set point.

I am talking race talk with street racers. I had a drag bike 9.5 Qmile easy, there is no tach, you cant even use one if you wanted too, I ruled the street, no one could keep up. sure there were plenty of 200mph super bikes but my 1972 work out art can get up 2 140 in about a city block and I will pass the finish line fisrt, I can care less how fast u think yours will go.

we have gone into the driver factor.

fyi my tire are about 2 years old but lots of tread
[new clutch 6-8 month n 9,000 miles ago] and have lost some bite, in the last month or so im spining the tires without trying when before I had to really let it lose. But they are still awsome, 35-52 psi range 165mph z rated all weather tire. and it notes on the tire that below 35psi is only ilegal in the usa.

 

Ok, you guys, next Thirdgen meet - we'll race, then we'll see

 

lol 4 real whats with this?? some guy says he beats a family car and he get mashed for it. the all mighty 2.8 is slow from what i no, so whats the problem if he beat a family car its not like hes gunna race some real sports cars that r ment for speed where as his engine was not ment for real performance (no bash on 2.8 but u no what i mean). so all he was really doin was stickin to his leag i dont see the problem.
as 4 the yappin back and forth about whos is fast, just race! u cant argue on the net, not possible.
( oh and a next thing we are all fbody people if he raced some one who though can take a fbody and the fbody wins, all he did was put the next guy in his place. /isnt that a good thing?)

thats just my point of view.

 

I'd love to race the Thirdgen against you guys but sadly, it's going for sale.

 

hey nixon your sellin your camaro why? your gettin a next one right?

 

Nah..no Thirdgens for now..I've gone to the dark side. 91 Mustang GT 5.0....it was a deal I couldn't pass up. Loaded up with some performance goodies. Don't worry..I'm still GM at heart. I'll be wearing my Chevy racing hat in my Ford. I'm getting another Third Gen sometime...that's the promise I made to myself...probably a few years down the road. Just sad I have to sell my current one...it's a pain in the *** but it's good to me...

 

You know Im all up for a meet at Norwalk race way, but even better a day or two at mid ohio and do some road racing.

 

nixon: well atleast your stickin to domestic, i have no problem with mustangs that would be my next pick on the list. good luck on selling your camaro.

 

Just out playing in the cold air and not till about 3000 at WOT does my car really start to pull and it pulls hard, [and I mean hard like a power band on a 2 stoke] up to 5 grand and beyond.

It so much more like a bike than a car, my 2.8 revs n revs. I wish I could say that my special tuning did it but with that computer my tuning knowlede cant carry over. Thing I want to do **** it off.

now kills with the wagon or the bike, I know are from my tuning. I cant explaine the effect Im getting with my 2.8 but I love driving it.

with the wagon it just too easy to leave [99% of the poeple you meet daily driving] scraching their head. but with the 2.8 it takes effort and their is no half assin it, it only has 2 speed really; either fast & slow.

 

You know my 3.1 was kinda like that, in terms of having 2 speeds. I'd be driving the car slowly, but I give it 1/4 pedal and all of a sudden it's flying up there like I'm giving it 3/4...it's the damndest thing. It's like the car is just BEGGING to be mashed....which is why I did it so damn often!

I liked to describe that car as a dog begging to be let off its leash. Like when I hit the gas, and it doubled down just right..and you know that hard jerk that pushes you back a little....JUST like a dog, spotting another dog or a big mound of **** that it has to **** next to to re-mark its territory..it pulls like hell.