Thinking about stock-piling oil. Im serious guys !! I heard on the radio today that we (USA) have not been this low on oil sence 1975 . I was thinking with us getting ready to go into war Oil will prabably go up high with gas . Gas this summer will get up to $2.00 a gallen . So if anyone can think of ways to stock-pile that to .. ..j/k ...But on the oil thing ...I've got two CASES of valvoline already . Im ganna get two more cases next week !!!!

Just something for you guys to think about ...

 

Oh my goodness I hope this doesnt turn into the Y2K thing I am going to get a few cases of oil but I do that anyways HEHE a few weeks before Y2K a woman went into Walmart and bought 200 loaths of bread Then on the first she came back and tried to get a refund. When I heard that I was really on the floor laughing my azz off.

 

LOL.

I always knew the Y2k wasn't going to be a big deal. If oil prices increase dramatically, I will just drive my car less. Right now I only drive my car once a week. I could always use public transportation too.

 

HUH??? if you watch any shows about the "oil shortage" in 75 it was all BS. we did not have a shortage then or will have one now. its a money making scam.

The problem is they try and keep like 50 years of oil on hand all the time, so they say our reserves are going down but that BS too, the goverment has tons n tons more oil that anyoe put away for a rainy day.

It all just BS to make money. using the war too scam us. just like after 911 when station jacked up the prices and then they made them refund peoples money for price jacking.

they are just doing it right this time.

 

yea gumby...the government is just trying to make some money off of us...when they're happy...you'll see gas prices fall back down...i mean..a week ago over here it was 145...now its 170...but in a few months or so...they'll lower it back down...because if people can't afford it the govt won't make money...to make this a tech post...how bout a hydrogen powered third gen...the power would be incredible...

 

Sounds good to me on running off water, propane, natural gas, anything thats cheaper, geeessshhh.

 

Can't afford it? How do you figure? Its not really an option. You HAVE to buy it.

devianb might start taking public transportation, as will I....but everyone in this country won't. Gas prices are going to go up, and stay up until everything settles overseas, and I just don't think its going to be a quick thing. I hope I am wrong. I am getting a new car and it needs super

 

I wasn't serious about taking public transportation, only as a last resort. The only thing I don't like about public transportation is the fact that it takes a while to get where you want to go and you don't get to decide how you want to go there.


If I lived in another country like Switzerland or Austria, I would ride the train every day because I love trains and their rail system is far superior and more efficient than ours.



Its not really BS that the oil supply is going to run out. They just exagerate how soon it will be depleted, which won't be for a while.


Now, if only they could make it so that our cars could run on water, if only . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

Man, I don't think some of you guys understand market economics.

(1) oil is bought and sold on the world market just like anything else. If you think that you might have interruptions in the oil supply in the future, then you charge more for the supply you have now, just like if you were selling something yourself. This does two things. It makes getting other sources of oil more financially attractive, and it also suppresses demand. I know that you say that people have to drive, and have to buy gas. Well, if you really think about it, about half of the driving that most people do is not to and from work or school. It is essentially discressionary, which means that if gas was higher, we would think twice before doing it.

(2) If you want to be mad about gas prices, maybe you should look at the state and federal governments instead of the oil companies. Oil companies explore for oil, drill for it, transport it, refine it, distribute it, and then sell it. For all that risk they take, they make an average of 12 to 15 cents per gallon, no matter what the cost is to the consumer. Here in Tennessee, the combined federal and state taxes on a gallon of gas are nearly 40 cents. So the government does nothing to produce the fuel, but they make nearly 3times the amount per gallon that the company does. That company's profits are then subject to income taxes. How fair is that?

(3) the government stores up oil for Military purposes, at least that is what the reserve is supposed to be for. We keep a reserve so that if we get into a war and our oil supply is completely cut off, we will have something to fight with.

I hate paying high prices as much as any of you, but there are reasons that things happen this way. If you will remember, back during Gulf War 1, gas prices were pretty high for a while. After the war was over, gas prices went lower than they were before the war started. I think the same thing will happen again.

 

Compared to other countries except the Middle Eastern countries, our gas prices are pretty low. In countries like Norway, they pay around $4.00 to the gallon.


80% of the driving I do in my car is just for driving for the fun of it. If gas prices got to $4.00 gallon, I would then just be driving straight from work to home to school.

 

The gas prices are BS YET what ya gonna do?
It was like my Bro-In-Law thought by emailing San Diego gas & Electric it was gonna have "some effect".
I can only add that.
THIS TIME
Venezula Oil is not making it here, so a BIG supply is not available. Their labor stike/gov't upheaval isn't helping much.
Rest is kinda fear.
YET After the Friday at the UN speech (by Hans Blix), I notice gas in LA going up $.10/gal.
What amazes me is that
the stations just keep raising the prices.
YET, there isn't a gas tanker truck bringing in more gas, the stations raising prices of the less costly already delivered gas in the ground.

This is a short term deal.
George Bush is playing Texas Style Poker.
His latest hand wasn't as strong as the previous weeks hand.

Incidentially, just where can ANYONE buy a barrel of oil?
The stores only sell the cases & quarts.

I lived thru the pure robbery of the first & second gas criBSis (74-75 & the 78-80).

PS I gotta friend that has CASES of duct tape.
Any takers?

 

Well, all you guys , can do what you want . Im buying another case next week . It's better to be safe than sorry . Sure , it's VERY HIGHLY unlikely that we will go completely dry on oil , or even a big crisis . BUT , If the prices go up real high , I will have saved some money by stockpiling about 4 cases of oil .But , you guys do what you want . I just thought Id make a suggestion .

 

You plan on refining that oil yourself and turining it into gasoline? LOL. Why are you stock piling so much oil, from what you were saying I would have thought you would be stock piling gasoline.

 

As an FYI, MOTOR OIL SOLD BY CASES is a "loss leader" for majority of auto parts stores.
SURE the price of a case may go up
BUT the majority of the oil used is for refining INTO gas products.
IF I'm correct the pecking order of oil is
1. California reformulated gas (maybe other states, too) BUT CA uses special gas mixture & this state doesn't have a massive amount of oil for this special gas mixture. It is NOT cost effective to produce CA state gas products (the final product is very refined)
2. Rest of US states gas products
3. Jet Fuel/Home heating oil/Kerosene/Diesel Fuel
4. Motor oil

I really don't beleive that auto motor oil wil be in a short supply.
It tends to cost about (by case) $.79 - $1.39+ per quart.
I have several cases.
I was able to grab it back in summer time at a good price.
Reading today in the LA Times, it states what I said earlier, the lack of the Venezula refineries oil is really cutting into the supply of oil for US.
Next big problem is the extreme cold the country is in (more home heating oil used right now)
Also at this time of year, the refineries tend to stop producing "winter fuels (home or auto)" & get ready for the summer driving season.
Next big reason why the fuel prices have risen is truly "war fear" & market profit.
Serious, grab a case r two & watch the prices fall shortly.
What we really need is another "USA Puppet Govt in Venezula".
AND if ya notice the "where USA troops are stationed" maps, they are "Right on top of" the Iraq oil refineries, ready to grab them at our descretion.
What USA really wants to do, is make another country "run by Kurds", to keep those refineries.

Incidentially,

Did you happen to know France made a deal with the Devil to get Iraq oil to their country. Also, so did Germany. Notice what countries are "blocking" the condemnation of Iraq.
Put that in your pipe and smoke on that fact for a bit.....
Seriously, this Texas Style Poker game is mainly about Oil and Money and who gets BACK those refineries that US companies built back in 80's (think of the Oil companies that contributed/supported the 2000 election of GW Bush).
The "terror" threat is almost "secondary" compared to regaining control of those oil fields.
Yet the terror card is being played very strongly, as an angle to.......

 

No place to store it , its to flamable to .

 

Yeah, somethin' like 85% of crude oil is unusable for automobiles and goes into stuff like new blacktop and tar and other non-car stuff.

All we need to do is put a $10,000/year luxury tax on SUV's with 380 HP motors that go to the food store and pick the kids up from soccer practice, and we'll see our oil storage increase, gas prices drop, and the earth won't run out of oil. I'm still waiting for someone to explain the Lincoln Navigator or Ford Excursion or Hummer Limosine to me.

As long as they keep selling SUV's with big motors to people that haven't pulled a trailer or hauled a load or gone offroad in their LIFE (go offroad in a Lexus SUV?!? Might scratch the paint!!!), we're gonna suck the earth dry of oil. Jerks.

I must say though, it is quite interesting to live less than an hour from New York City; plus, the fiance' is interning there this semester two days a week. Fun, fun, fun.

 

People in my other town have been buying up tons of duct tape at wally world. I still have the single roll that I purchased a few years ago. I would be happy as hell if we would just take over IRAQ, kill off Sadam, and be done with this bull crap. Its funny how the threat level went up but nothing new has really happened. I'm just getting sick and tired of all this panicing that has been in my town lately, everywhere I turn it gloom and doom from almost everyperson I see. If we do go to war I bet many people will move away from major cities.

 

Forgive me but....
COVE, ARKANSAS IS A METROPOLITAN CITY!!!!?????
I got ya big time, North Korea discovered Disneyland and Hollywood.
They leaving on a "jet plane" (De Plane De Plane!) for here, now....
I've survived killer earthquakes in Los Angeles (Northridge 1994)
I've survived Riots in Los Angeles (the 1992 Riot where I was almost killed)
I've survived Riots in Washington DC (Iranian Crisis 1980)
I've survived a home robbery (walked in with girlfriend while guy was still in my place by the kitchen knife draw)
I've survived being held up (at knife point from behind) while retreiving my stolen 1967 Camaro.
This latest stuff is just numb to me.

Believe me,
this Texas Style Poker Game,

Think of it, very simply, this way.
George Bush wants re-election real bad.
He pushes the button, he can kiss the re-election goodbye.
Again, why do you think Turkey is such a strategic location?
Yes, ya get from both ends of country, BUT
That's also the location of the oil refineries.
The idiot head of Iraq isn't the most pleasant person on earth & he's done quite a bit of damage (I'm being non-specific as he's done ALOT WRONG & SENESLESS & INHUMAN).... but.....

PS behind the scenes, alot is going on to oust him from office, that way George Bush will easily win re-election w/o a shot fired.
Watch the news shows this Sunday and hear the rattle, but no words being spoken.

Again, Texas Style Poker is being played right now.

I, also, get to see if I'm right. So far, I am.

Working in NYC?
Tell her to stop by my buddy, Atlas & tell him "Hello".
Haven't seen him since 1965. Can't tell ya how much fun Rockfeller Center was as a playground for a 5-7 year old kid, Me!

 

Nope its just a tiny insignificant dot on the map thats 17miles away from the city that I was talking about is Mena, AR. I spend more time in that small town going to college and then work then I do at home in Cove. Mena has the wal-mart, and theres almost 6,000 people in Mena.

 

Well, I can tell you its not the gas stations raising the prices, I work at one, and know several people who own them. They are making about seven cents on a gallon. DIdn't venisuela however you spell it compltley stop expording oil because of some strike? And we will never run completely out of oil, we do get some from Alaska, but if we go to war, thats going straight to the military. We saw $2 a gallon a couple years ago, its not that bad here is where having a v6 really pays off. I agree about the luxery tax on SUV's. People should have to prove a need for somthing like that, the new hummer I believe gets 10 miles to the gallon, some of these things are getting rediculous.

 

I agree about the luxery tax on SUV's.

George Bush in lastest State of the Union proposed a reduction of taxes IF one buys a vehicle like Excursion/Hummer/Suburban (perhaps "only" for business tax purposes).

People should have to prove a need for somthing like that

I recall growing up and ANY/EVERY Suburban family had a regular old Station Wagon, cause it was & still is, a very useful dual purpose vehicle. Our family had several in my past (about 6-8 of them).

the new hummer I believe gets 10 miles to the gallon, some of these things are getting rediculous.

YOU SHOULD SEE LA & THE SHOPPING CENTERS
I recall going to buy our first round of furniture for our new born Son.
We drove into the baby furniture store & I swear my Wife & I busted out laughing...
Every parking space was filled by a SUV!
I thought we were in some jungle where there was an actual purpose for those vehicles. We visited one store in Anaheim (Disneyland).

My Brother & Sister In-Law are in town.
They have FOUR KIDS & drive a GMC Suburban. I kinda think that does qualify for the need.
Meaning, what other vehicle can one purchase, that has room for 4 kids and their implements of destruction (TOYS TO KEEP THEM QUIET WHILE DRIVING!! from San Jose to Los Angeles).

In LA area, 6,000 people in one place is a regular, normal local shopping center. Please NOT meant to offend ya!!

This is the correct spelling for Venezuela. I checked.

The people are having a LABOR strike by not working at businesses, due to that countries political policies. The citizens want to OUST the current government & install a new politcal power. the citizens feel their methods are the correct way to get the government to listen.

Thanks for offering how much profit is/isn't made by gas stations by just gas, alone.
Once a profitable business, INDEPENDENT gas station owners can barely survive in todays business environment.

 

Guys, listen to KED, this guy knows what he's talking about.

And I recall gas at the same prices now back in '91.

If you adjust for inflation and the average wage, gasoline has increased VERY LITTLE compared to many other consumer products.

Eric

 

I was one of five kids, first we had a tourus wagon, then a buick roadmaster, then a minivan. We all lived. Althought I suppose those station wagons arn't very economical either. What do those things have, a 305, 350 somthing like that.

 

Guys, listen to KED, this guy knows what he's talking about.

Having served in the US Senate, I may have abit more understanding/insight than many here.

I honestly don't know much more, than what we, all, hear, daily.

I am only offering an observation of the strategy being played.
I fear & shed a tear for anyone getting ready to ship/be shipped "over there".
I wish my simple observations could only help prevent more wasted effort, for removing this anger and saber rattling.

Yet, the Texas Style Poker Game plays on.

I would sincerely love to see OUR COUNTRY get the IMMEDIATE help that we need in the Economics/Employment & the Health Issues for uninsured (of any age).
Atleast that way, we can still be around, to contribute to the healthy economics FOR THE USA.

HEY MODS, THANK YOU for letting us speak our mind, this time. Seems we all need/want to chat about this.

PS When ya see Malibu (NOT BARBIE!), CA and their SUVs, don't put those owners down too much.
When the weather or a fire turns those hillsides & the Pacific Coast Highway against the home owners, those SUVs do come in handy use.

Ever try to stuff a house full of memories, in the path of an approaching flood/mudslide/fire, into the back of a economical V-6 powered (or powerful LOL!!) Third Gen F Body?
Not gonna happen!

 

That's what the truck with a flat bed trailer behind it is for an suv cant compete with the towing compacity that setup has. I only have to worry about fire in the dryest of summers or if some of the locals decide to burn a huge pile of wood or dead trees and let it get out of their hands. Last summer that happended when a neighbor of mine let their son "9 years old" burn off some dead trees. the fire didnt spread far because I was driving to work when I saw a freaking blazing fire taking over a small patch of their timber lot. I saved their new house by hosing down any nearby flames but the fire dept came to finish off the small forest fire after I called them. The kid ran back into his room and hid, I cant blame him cause thats probally what I would have done if I was in his shoes. And sometimes I have to worry about a tornado but no much. Better than the ground shaking out from underneath me.

 

I can't tell ya how much fun IT ISN'T, to fly like Superman, a distance of about 10 feet to the nearest door frame and go surfing in your home at 4:31 AM (Northridge earthquake time- I still kinda awake early, every annual earthquake anniversay on Jan 17th).
My Santa Monica place had the THIRD highest force of shift of gravity (a reading of 1.02 G's, jet planes taking off reads less, a roller coaster is close to that sometimes).
WORST WAS running outside, PITCH BLACK (no power) and those maddening car alarms, going off, constantly, every aftershock!
Pink Floyds "Dark Side of the Moon", is NOTHING, compared to that memeory.

If I was that kid, why wait at home, I'd hit the bus terminal! That kid must have felt like one dumb bunny!

 

Yikes that is scary to wake up too. Yeah that kid did feel stupid but at least I was on my way to work and was able to prevent him from getting killed if the house caught on fire and if a freakin forest fire broke out.

 

Listen to some of you! Whose business is it what people decide that they want to drive as long as it is legal and they can afford it?!?! I keep hearing 'get rid of SUV's, people shouldn't be allowed to drive those gargantuan things...' Bullcrap. If it is legal, and they can afford the fuel and the insurance, Who are you to tell them what is or is not right about it. I think that a Lexus or Cadillac SUV is just as dumb as anything, but hey they are entitled to buy the vehicle they like the best to safely put their family and belongings in.

My family has a 1997 Suburban 3/4 ton 4X4 with a turbo diesel. I use it to pull my 16 foot box trailer, to pull my ski boat and a bunch of people, and for when I have to haul a bunch of people or a lot of stuff that needs to be locked up or kept out of the weather. I've had people tell me that 'you don't need something that big, you shouldn't drive something like that.' Well who the hell do they think they are?! This is not Communist China or the eastern bloc, this is the United States of America where we believe in individual liberty and private property rights. If they are sucessful in banning SUV's, the next thing they will go after is sports cars with big engines. After all, nobody 'needs' to go fast, or accelerate hard. Next thing you know, we'll all be driving Hondas. Besides, my big ol' honkin' suburban gets about 20 MPG. Most cars 20 years ago couldn't do that. It gets better mileage than my pickup truck, which nobody seems to think is a bad thing to drive.

 

If they are sucessful in banning SUV's, the next thing they will go after is sports cars with big
engines. After all, nobody 'needs' to go fast, or accelerate hard.

Any else recall what the Insurance Companies did to "the young drivers/buyers" of the late 60's/early 70's Muscle Cars?

I wasn't driving then, but, I understood what happened, several years later on.

 

You say that as long as they are legal then they should be allowed to have them. So, if SUV's were made illigle unless you could prove a need for them, it would be fine for you? As long as it was the law. You unlike probably about 60% of SUV owners do demonstraight a need for one. I used to own an explorer myself, I got rid of it because it was pointless to have somthing that big. I know several people, including my father who own big SUV's and pickup trucks, who use them for plowing, hauling constructin equipement, towing trailors, and other practical purposes. Then their are the people who own these huge things for the sole purpose of trying to have the biggest thing on the road.
The fact is, their is only so much oil in the ground, we are going to run out of it eventually without a doubt. It is getting more expensive because of all this stuff with the middle east, and Venisuela. I just don't think that people should go out and buy Suv's and pickup trucks which get 10-14MPG when they dont need them, and could get along with somthing smaller just fine. Two kids can fit just fine in the back of a sedan, or if your that desprate a minivan, or somthing like an S-10 blazer which isn't too bad on gas. Anyway, its just my opinion, that we shouldn't destroy our enviroment, force everyone to pay more for oil, and depete out supplies because people feel like driving big trucks for no reason. I know alot of people disagree with me, but its just my opinion.
BTW, one of the more rediculous things I think I have seen latley is that Linken Pickup truck.

 

You have the need for a towing vehicle. Most people that own a suv here don't ever haul a thing. Nor do they care about anyother road going vehciles. I was waiting in line to check out at wally world once and these women were in front of me "Well I got my Explorer so I'm protected If I tbone someone." I was like what about the person that you hit? I'm pretty sure they have a bumper lodged in thier head. "Oh I dont care about that person, as long as I'm ok then I dont care." I had to remove myself from that converstaion before I got heated up about what she said. BUT as long as you have a need and not just to have a suv, pickup, or hummer then I have no problems with that person. I just cant stand it when a person gets a SUV just to have one.

 

I remember when I first started driving late 91/early 92, and paying .69 cent a gallon for the cheap stuff.

And then how upset I was when it went up to 1.00 a gallon. I would die to have them prices again.

Its funny how you guys say to tax the SUV's more. Who are the ones who own them?? The people that make the laws/regulations. You think their gonna put something into effect to tax themselfs? Or take more money out their pocket? Your crazy!!

I don't keep up with news, but I just wish they would hurry up and do whatever. Every day this bs goes on, the more beating our economy takes. I think we all can agree that we don't need that.

 

I know its never going to happen, but it would be nice to have somthing done about these SUV's.
I agree about other people not careing. THe other day in front of my work, someone came out of a side street, cut right infront of a new BMW, BMW went into oncomming traffic to go around them, then quickly went back into their lane, but didn't make it and skidded off the road. The other car just took off. Some people really just don't care.

 

Ok, sorry.

 

IF WE KEEP THIS THREAD CIVL (regardless of ya like/dislike SUV's and mindless owners-think they not in California, ALSO!) WE CAN KEEP CHATTING.
Let's show them we can moderate ourselves, this time!

I recall when gas was $.25/gallon AND THEY SERVED YOU AND CHECKED UNDER HOOD AND.......
I still shake my head about New Jersey and how that state has "cheap" gas and stations MUST serve customers.

These days, I seriously wouldn't allow anyone else to fill my tank.
At the labor price the station help is paid (let's assume 85% of that work force) the station help couldn't care less if your gas cap was installed correct or left on the back roof, to fly off going down the road.

I still await to hear what's going to happen this week with our USA gov't.
George Bush needs a strong poker hand again.
I wonder how he will gain it back?

As my Brother pointed out, with this snow storm you all have back east or that went thru the midwest, the Turban Heads couldn't figure out how to drive.
Or their camels got cold feet by now.
What actual terrorist damage could be done?
I know snow ball fights!

 

In my reply above, 'legal' means that it is suitable for driving on the road. If this type of vehicle is what consumers want, then why should we just arbitrarily say: 'nope, you can't have it.' Who will be the one to decide what is and is not acceptable transportation? You? Some Washington Beaureaucrat? And will you change your tune when whoever has that power decides that your car isn't considered acceptable? What I want to know is this: If my Suburban is not ok because it is too big, then is my wife's GMC Envoy too big? It gets 22 MPG, and I can't carry but 5 people in it, while the Suburban will carry 8. That means that there are a lot of times that I would have to take 2 vehicles to haul the same amount of people or cargo. My Suburban still gets better gas mileage than 2 mid size cars would. Yes, I could get better mileage in a Taurus or something, but that won't haul a 6,000 pound trailer or a boat either.

If you really want to change the way people drive, I have a good suggestion for you... First of all, raise the gas prices by adding about 1 dollar of Tax to what is already there. I would never go along with this unless there was other tax reductions, such as elimination of income taxes, etc... so that the total tax amount of people's income stayed the same or got lessened. I wouldn't mind paying three bucks for a gallon of gas if I didn't have to pay income taxes. If gas prices were that high all the time, people would definitely reconsider what they see as important features of a car. Size and power would still be considered, but economy would gain a very strong place. If people still want to buy a big SUV, then so what? They're going to be paying for it, and most would probably go with an alternative. People might start taking the train instead of driving, and they might live closer to where they work. I drive a big vehicle, but I live 8 miles from where I work. I use approximately 8-10 gallons of gas a week going back and forth, running errands, etc... Some people I work with drive cars that get 25-30 MPG, but live 45 miles away. But yet you say I shouldn't drive that Suburban because I use too much gas. I decided to live closer to the factory, and not commute as far. I probably use about half the gas per week with my big vehicle than some of the others with their 'fuel efficient' cars. My dad commutes a long way and drives a Sonoma. He uses a lot more fuel than me. My point is: you cannot pronounce someone as environmentally friendly or unfriendly based solely on what they drive. Use of fuel is use of fuel, no matter if it's being burned in a Suburban or a Nissan, or even a ThirdGen.

Also, that comment about wanting that woman's Explorer to flip was totally unnecessary. What's the difference in what she said and what you said about her? I'm not flaming, I'm just saying you shouldn't wish harm on someone else.

 

I never said that you shoulnd't have the suburban, or your wife shouldn't have her envoy. Lexus SUV's I don't see a point to, but I don't have a problem with them. I just don't see why people who will never tow a trailor, have more than four people in the car, go offroading, or fill it up with cargo need some of these really huge things. Its just things like the H2, getting 10MPG, and other things that get 15MPG, that I see as unneccesarry. If everyone wants to go out and buy an SUV that gets 20MPG go right ahead.
Sorry about the explorer comment, people like that who don't care about others just really annoy me.

 

The Scene-
Santa Monica, CA DMV
I'm walking thru parking lot to do business inside this place.
Thru the lot, charges this WOMAN in HER NEW BIG SUV (this is like 5 years ago).
She finally sees me after I pretty much jumped outta way of her chargin stead!
The female SUV driver sees me in line and offers a lame apology of "I didn't see you".
Me - "IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT SHOULD BE MADE TO TAKE DRIVING LESSONS BEFORE YOU DRIVE THOSE VEHICLES".

IN CALIFORNIA, RECENTLY,
there was an assembly bill introduced about personal vehicle choices. For some reason, it was soundly defeated! STRONGLY defeated with funding from the Auto Dealers Assoc.

I've had my S-10 Blazer since 1989, before SUV became a catch phrase.
Way I figure it, I assumed there'd be a bill not allowing me to drive a vehicle that "only" carries two people (Highway diamond lane car pooling in CA WAS almost only cars carrying "three" people). This was forced into legislation by local bus companies.

What vehicle of mine only carries two passengers?
Well it ain't no economical Fiero!
I love my Old 1974 Corvette!
And keep moderating ourselves.

 

Well they cannot ban existing cars, so your 78 vette is alright, right?

 

I have no problems what so ever with trucks,suv's,or anyother mode of transportation. What I dont like are the people who will never ever take their truck/suv off road, hauling a trailer, carrying a heavy load, or if they have a big family. The trendy hype of owning a suv for 1 person just eats at me, why not get a mini van its cheaper, better gas mileage, and same human carring capacity? Too bad a bill that makes it nessciary to prove the need for such a vehicle will never pass. What would be reall funny is if I lived near a road racing course and they had a SUV vs 80's sport cars. I would love to corner against anyone of them and drive by as they flip over.

 

I am sorry that I sounded so upset in my eariler post. I know that most people don't have a demonstrated 'need' for an SUV, and could get around just fine in a sedan. The marketplace will always rule, and the car companies are going to give the people what they want. Face it, the auto makers are not cramming these things down people's throats... They WANT them! I guess it is a status symbol or something like that. I know we say that people don't need a big vehicle, but making that statement both scares and angers me. Once you start down that road of telling people what they can and cannot do with their personal wealth, you begin to become a police state very quickly where government always tells you what you will and will not do. That is not the way it is supposed to be, although the government has too much power already for my liking. I mean, after all, people don't 'need' a 3500 square foot house. People don't 'need' a 3 car garage, people don't 'need' more than one car, or two children, etc... You see what I mean? Once you let them start telling you what kinds of vehicles you do and don't need, then the rest of it begin to be put into place.

You know what? I really haven't had that much trouble around here with people that drive SUV's. Most people look at it like a glorified pickup truck, and it isn't a big deal. Almost every time I have almost had an accident where I was pulling a trailer and got cut off or something, the person was driving a HONDA! I think I am going to start a movement to ban Hondas from the road because they are a menace. (Just Kidding!)

 

Then why cannot you have somthing like a 454 with open headers, and no emmissions controls?

 

George Bush was dealt a decent card for his next hand in Texas Style Poker.
NATO agreed to allow U-2 Planes to fly all over IRAQ and every European Nation backed this in writing.
They also back Military effort as a "resort" upon "a need".
Yet NATO wants inspections to continue.

Now Geroge gets to see what card is dealt from UN. Very soon as soon as ya all dig outta snow!

So far, I'm right on track with my "What's Happenin!" And his Texas Style Poker Game.

SUV IMAGE THING?
Try the FORD EXCURSION "SHAQ EDITION"
Turn signals "sound" "Blink-Blink!"
PS Excursion Shaq Version for real, sound effect my joke!

 

Oh! I read that the signals would sound "Bling Bling". And that it would be a fantastic accent to the chromed 22's.

 

Forgive me but
URBAN STREET SPELLING AIN'T ONE OF MY STRONGEST SKILLS!
I only watch the Basketball games for the LAKER GIRLS CHEERLEADERS YA KNOW!
And I still love Paula Abdul (former Laker Girl)
AND I LOVE CORTNEY THORNE-SMITH (Also Former Laker Girl).
Tho my Wife is a BABE, I NEVER PASS A CHANCE TO TELL PEOPLE
I HATE FOOTBALL
LOVE THE CHEERLEADERS
"What You mean you get excited watching a bunch of men, running around in tight butt outfits, smacking each other ***? Stay FAR AWAY FROM ME!"

PS CHEERLEADERS MAKE THE BEST DATES, DANCING PARTNERS (verticle or horizontal) and maybe Wives!.
They ALWAYS LOOK GREAT in the passenger seat, don't they? Or Driving your car with YOU as the passenger!
Best dressed accessory a guy can desire is a CHEERLEADER holding onto his arm!

 

Ah, yes...cheeleaders!! I was seeing a cheeleader at my college once. You hit that one right on the head. They are the best to "dance" with, always fun, and always lookin' good. Being small and nible is a nice bonus too!! lol!!

 

Then why cannot you have somthing like a 454 with open headers, and no emmissions controls?

I don't have a problem with that, but why not apply technology that makes things cleaner when it doesn't interfere with the final product? I mean, that's one of the great things about the newer SUVs is that they are more efficient and less polluting than the average passenger car was 25 years ago. We seem to forget that 25 years ago, the average 4 door sedan would seat 6 people, and would tow 4000-5000 pounds. Now, you have to have a truck based vehicle to do that. A big type of vehicle can burn clean and produce power without having an open headered 454 powering it. The only thing about having open headers is that it will wake up people at 2:00 in the morning when you are coming home from whatever. I wouldn't do that because I don't want to disturb other people.

Like I said before, once you outlaw a certain category of vehicle, just because you don't like it, what is to stop someone else from outlawing your chosen mode of transportation, simply because they don't like it? The answer is: nothing, because you have now set a precedent.

Man, some of the cheerleaders at my high school were ugly! It was like most of the really pretty girls didn't want to do that. Oh well, that was a long time ago anyway.

 

Oh well, that was a long time ago anyway.

LAST WEEK WAS WHEN THAT WAS!! LOL!
Stop giving yourself grey hairs!!

I heard George "respectfully" hears the millions of voices (protesters), yet, he is "staying the course".

I whole heartly endorse that.
Fear is a very good hand to play in Texas Style Poker. Or is that called "Bluffing"?

He's getting a good hand for this game again.
Keep watching and listening, we'll find out what will become.
So FAR, I seem to be correct about my observation on this situation (meaning - re-election is on his side, still, he hasn't hit the bombs away button, yet...NOR CAN HE)

 

It's my business. There's no need for things this huge -- or, with these huge engines -- to take kids to soccer practice. They're all oversized station wagons, trying to outdo each other. Take a good luck at 90% of these "men" that drive these things- they're puny little posers that get their only feeling of power by driving a big car. I remember a while ago, a friend telling me about their uncle, who yells at their aunt... I asked "does he drive an suv?" They said "Yeah, how did you know?"

My '86 had 135 horsepower when it was new; I'll be happy if it's got 100 HP after it's 246,000 miles. It still has enough power to merge onto a highway when everyone's doing 70-75 in their 4 ton suv's. I would love to hear an SUV owner argue that they need a 300 horsepower engine for "highway safety".

Plus, the F'ing things always park NEAR me! It's like they're showing off to me. I'll park out in the middle of bumf--k, and when I come out of the mall, there's a bloody SUV parked next to me. I'm gonna start keying those SOB's left and right, or maybe greet their passenger door with my boot. Why? Because I CAN'T SEE TO BACK OUT! F-K THOSE A's! DAMMIT! The best is when there's one on either side!! And ya know what? When they use up all our damn gas, and we can't drive our cars anymore, keep my rant in mind. They should all be shot.

They want to suck down 10 MPG on daily "excursions" to the food market? Then they should Pay a luxury tax. If my car had an open headered 454 that I drove Daily and got 10 MPG, I'd pay a luxury tax without question. Chances are damn good that if I had an open headered 454, I wouldn't be driving it daily. What are the chances of SUV owners driving their behemoths daily?? And people wonder why emissions is getting so strict. Everyone points their finger at old cars- "those old cars pollute so much they should be crushed"- maybe they should turn their fingers back around on themselves.

 

Dear TomP: I have always respected your opinion on matters related to ThirdGen cars. You have always done your best to be helpful, instructive, and non-confrontational. I have always thought of you as setting a good example for the rest of the members of this board.

Keying other people's vehicles? Calling all SUV drivers F'n A-holes? Greet their passenger door with my boot? Using up all the gas? C'mon Tom! That isn't like you.

So, having an SUV is infringing on your rights, huh? How is outlawing them not infringing on SUV owner's rights? Banning SUV's will only be the first step. Next will be pickup trucks, sports cars, power boats, Personal Watercraft, etc... It won't happen overnight, but in 20 to 30 years, we will all be wondering how it could have happened. The SUV is just the symbol that they are going after right now. They aren't going to be satisfied and go home when they are through with those.

Just one F'n A-hole's opininon.