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Old May 5, 2003 | 10:01 PM
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Best intake system?

I was just wondering what the best intake system for the 60* 2.8 would be?

The carb (which i doubt )
MPFI
or the TBI found on some s10's?

I think the TBI might be able to be modded to be really good
I have MPFI right now and i was just contemplating if TBI is a better system. Thanks for your time
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Old May 5, 2003 | 10:45 PM
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A TBI is a carb spraying fuel into the engine on a two barrel intake system.
The MPFI is a wonderful design.
It is designed by Rochester products who made the 1957-1965 Corvette Fuel Injection system.
This V-6 MPFI is cast at the same foundry as the Winters Aluminum 427 Block (CALLED ZL-1!)
This same plant also made the FIRST aluminum heads for the Corvette Back in 1960!
This plant also made the FIRST 2 x 4 intake for the small block Chevy in 1956
This plant also made the first tri power intake set up for the 427! Back in 1966
This plant also produced many aluminum water pumps for racing applications (I have one for a small block Chevy).
This MPFI unit also supports an a engine sized from 2.8 thru 3.4 without a problem, too.

Why complain about a good thing?
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Old May 6, 2003 | 12:03 AM
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calm down Karl
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Old May 6, 2003 | 08:10 AM
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Best intake system is the TPI style MPFI intake system that I *believe* was found on the '88-'89 Camaros
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Old May 6, 2003 | 09:15 AM
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That was a good excuse to get my 5000th post up!
But serious, this MPFI design certainly can be improved upon (as told me by Extrudhone).
Yet, I've left mine alone (porting/matching).
Damn 3.4 engine runs fine as is, so all one needs do is increase the outside air flow to engine & ya done!
I only replaced my original injectors to match the current displacement.
Yet the Winters Foundry is one "special" factory in GM-land.
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Old May 6, 2003 | 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by KED85
That was a good excuse to get my 5000th post up!
But serious, this MPFI design certainly can be improved upon (as told me by Extrudhone).
Yet, I've left mine alone (porting/matching).
Damn 3.4 engine runs fine as is, so all one needs do is increase the outside air flow to engine & ya done!
I only replaced my original injectors to match the current displacement.
Yet the Winters Foundry is one "special" factory in GM-land.
Karl, Did you check into if Extrudehone has any dies made up to match the MPFI intake or what it would cost to have our 3-pieces done? I haven't had a chance to sit down and call them about the possibility and cost for our intakes - My guess is it will be high (+$800) hopefully it would be cheaper- Do you have any info?
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Old May 6, 2003 | 11:37 AM
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Ok thanks Ked , i figured the MPFI was gonna be the best but i wanted a second opinion.
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Old May 6, 2003 | 12:52 PM
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Oh yes..MPFI rocks. Look at the performance model V8's. One injector per cylinder. Aka, MPFI. TBI is, like Karl said, "a fuel injected carburetor." The four cylinders got a single injector up top...V6's I'm not sure about, but I'd figure they got one heavy duty injector as well, and the V8's I'd figure to get a batch of two injectors. Correct me if I'm wrong....but the system sucks. The fuel delivery is imprecise because each cylinder is going to pull i a different amount and concentration of the mixture. Also, the amount of time it takes for the mixture to reach the cylinders is crappy..
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Old May 7, 2003 | 12:19 AM
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Very Close.
I was told $600!
YET if many want it done then the price could drop.
How many?
Atleast 10.
For $600.............
5 words of less
MPFI ain't that bad a system.
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Old May 7, 2003 | 07:11 AM
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I hate to bring this up, Karl, but the Rochester thing isn't exactly impressive.. the TBI units have Rochester cast all over them too =P

And no, you don't want TBI. Carbs are carbs. Fuel injection is fuel injection. TBI is a really freakin cheap attempt at mixing the two. If you're going fuel injected, the best way to go is with Port Fuel Injection, which is what we have already. Extrude hone the intake, gasket match the SOB all over the place, get a bigger throttle body, port the heads, new cam, headers, and you'll be good to go

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Old May 7, 2003 | 08:21 AM
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I hate to bring this up, Karl, but the Rochester thing isn't exactly impressive.. the TBI units
have Rochester cast all over them too =P

Impressive?
Desirable?
Pricey?
Check prices in Hemmings for those items I called out in my first post.

Add those individual items to a Corvette, Bonneville, Chevrolet & watch the impressive factor increase greatly.
Yep, nowadays, these aluminum itmes are kinda common.
But to the many and the few who do own them, show them, sell & restore them, all they'd say to ya is ya ain't got the bucks to play.
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