i know this topic has been brought up numerous times with different amounts of money, so if this pisses some of you off, oh well.

if you had a '92 3.1L bone stock except for a home-made CAI, and you had $3000, what would you do to it? keep in mind, if you say engine/tranny swap, you have to factor in labor costs for a mechanic cause time is an issue.

i think when i have $3000 in august, i'll swap in a rebuilt 5.7 and tranny. i think with the cost of both, plus labor cost, it'll bring the total to right around $3000. but as always, i'm open to suggestions cause $3000 is alot of money and i dont wanna spend it and wish later i had spent it on something else.

let's hear what you would do:

 

buy the 86 T/A or Formula down the street.

or

get THIS for the GPGT :rockon:

 

I would give $3000 and my left nut for this Hilborn intake manifold setup and computer harness.

 

with 3k u can find an already nice and clean v8 car. unless your car is absolutely perfect and immaculate, id just sell the v6 and find a v8 for that money.

 

well with 3000US, i could get a 400hp LT1 with T56 off a guy out here i know... so i think i'd do that

 

if i sold the car i'd have about $6500 total, and i could get a pretty nice 350 car for that. but i want the extra power. '92 350's had somewhere around 240hp if i'm not mistaken, but the engine i'm looking to get has 300hp. so i think i'm gettin a new engine, but i'm constantly on ebay lookin for new deals.

 

One of the things I want to do is make a daily driver...if I had a spare $3000 that i didn't need for anything else I'd put it towards:

1984-86 Firebird Hardtop
Black Exterior
Black Interior w/4th gen center console and seats
Power Windows Power Locks
2.5L Iron Duke
91-92 Body
88 GTA Notchback Hatch
5Speed T5
ASCD Ram Air II Hood w/Gold Hood Bird
88 Firebird Special Appearance Package
Gold 15x7" (88-89?) Iroc rims

that would be a nice unique daily driver don't ya think?

 

well **** if i had 3000$
my v8/tranny swap is only costing 1200$
so i got 1800$ left to use one the new engine
but the IROC wheels i want in 17x9's with tires r 1500$
so what could i do with the leftover 300$??

 

3000 bux,I would attempt to put down payment on that house in background *drewels*


But I assume you mean car. I would do 3.4l swap, swaybars, new struts, and re-paint the whole thing.

 

I would put 3 g's into my polishing shop. Oh so close to being opened just a stone throws away. OR I would put that into my 82 Targa project Z28

 

3 Gs?
The realistic list includes paying off the VISA and about 1500 in mods to the V8, with only 1G left over for the 6, but if I had 3Gs that could go ONLY into the V6....

400: Kumho Ecsta Supra 712s, 245/50/WR16, all 4 corners
500: Koni struts/shocks, all 4 corners
200: Hotchkis drop springs, all 4 corners
175: Hotchkis STB
150: Competition Engineering SFCs/Driveshaft Saftey Loop
375: Hotchkis LCA/Panhard combo
120: Energy Suspension Hyperflex Kit
100: Limited slip/disc brake rear
100: New brake master cylinder
400: Wastegate, BOV, intercooler, manifold, intake plumbing, K&N cone
130: Transmission rebuild
10: aluminum driveshaft, pick-a-part, by the lb sale (ya never know)
100: 19lb/hr injectors
50: Custom chip
50: Quick-ratio steering box
100: Primer/paint/materials (what I don't already have spare)
40: Dinner for me and the 2 friends who spent a solid week doing all of the above (ouch)

Yes, I know, I'm saying in my world,, but I don't know what the parts would cost in your world. Heck, even these figures aren't all "my world" figures.. if I can find deals on half that hotchkis stuff, the pricetag drops tremendously.. and I'm working on getting an intercooler, wastegate, and bov fall into my lap.. in your world, most of this probably wouldn't be feasable, and I'd probably say "Buy the T/A down the street", because honestly, if you want power cheap, that's where it is.

 

$3k?

Rebuild my front suspension myself
Replace the blown posi in my 3.73/posi/disc rear myself
Paint my car myself
Rebuild a junkyard 2.8 myself, except for machine work
Rebuild a junkyard 700r4 trans myself
Replace the seats (AGAIN, dammit) with some 4th gen leather

Of course, new tools are included in that cost...

Anyone got a manufacturer name & model # of a balljoint press that fits our balljoints? My Moog's are just itching to go on... but I want to buy a press instead of renting one. Undoubtedly, I'll need it again sometime.

 

if i had 3000$, i would keep saving until i had 6000$ and then i would buy a nice 1986-89 Porsche 944 Turbo.

And then i would spend 500$ more on a chip and 1000$ more on a DMAF kit. 300RW HP and better handling than any FBody could ever dream of having.

 

I once looked at a 944 N/A Porsche....I had to say, I found the power ratings comical for a Porsche. Cheapo model. He thought he could sell it for $3000 because it was a Porsche, forgetting the ugly BROWN paint and interior, missing radio and HVAC everything, ripped seats, non-functional headlights, and no mods whatsoever done to the car... Yeah, ok.....$3000...sure...

$3000...hmm....to spend on a 92 Camaro.... Hard to say, depends on what's wrong. But definitely a motor swap. A 350 would be nice.

Now, with myself personally, I'd put $3000 into a Darrel Young race-built AOD tranny...which is maybe $1400 plus a few hundred for the yank of the old one and install. Another few hundred for the stall converter. Let's say this totals $2000 there... The extra $1000 would be for a set of performance heads. I think I've got leaky valves in one cylinder, so this would be not only a practical, but a performance fix/mod. Ahh.....if only... I would've said nitrous instead of the heads, but.....repairs come first.

 

Well... according to http://www.928porsche.net/944cabspec.htm ...
Stock camaros with Z-28 type suspension packages will do circles around it at .88 skidpad Gs..

http://www.petting-zoo.net/~gkm/944.html
Road&Track tested the 944 Turbo at .90 Gs on the skidpad.. a heavy v8 hotchkis camaro will do .95.. noone's ever gotten numbers on the v6 with full suspension.

Also, the 1986 porsche 944 suffered greatly after 4500 rpm, as the turbine housing was far too restrictive for the motor, and boost started to trail off madly, so no, it doesn't have 300 horsepower. (Argue with me. A KKK-26 with a #6 turbine housing out of a 1986 Porsche 944 is sitting approximately 4 feet to my rear-left on my couch, having an oil bath, and awaiting prep-work on my v6) When they did finally upgrade the turbine shell, it only brought it up to 247... So.

Would I own one? If I could find one for a grand, hell yes. They're purdy

 

Like Hell nixon! You take that $2k and get yourself a 5 speed in that 'stang!

 

I'd have to agree on the 5 speed.. for street, I'm a convert. My automatic v8 is getting left at home pretty frequently for my underpowered v6 with no stereo simply because it has a clutch..

 

ehh, the chip upgrade alone for the 944T adds a good 50HP, Porsche must have put a really crappy on in there or something.

Also, 944's have almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution because they have the engine in front and tranny in the back. Road&Track has ****ty drivers. Period.

No FBody will ever be able to compete with a 944T in AutoX or road racing.

 

Clutch is all good and fun and dandy for the street...but I'm a terrible stick driver, primarily due to lack of experience. But this car is already an auto.....manual conversions are a pain, and for the price, I doubt I could have a manual as hardcore as this auto would be. This tranny is capable of supporting in excess of 400 hp I believe. I'm pushing a little over half that at the rear. Maybe 230 rear. Not to mention, you can't fudge a run in an auto. You floor, you go...you just gotta get suspension for weight transfer and play with launch rpms and throttle...but that's it. The consistency is marvelous. And hey, this isn't gonna be a "grandma and grandpa's Grand Marquis" automatic tranny...this is gonna be a "hit 2nd gear and put your head through the windshield" automatic.

 

I saw a 944 do circles around the competition in local AutoX, so I can vouch for their abilities when properly equipped. But 50 hp from a chip? I doubt ANY auto manufacturer, even Billy Joe Bob's custom-burned prom chip that he did in his backyard from numbers he pulled out of his butt, would be so bad that a replacement would add 50 hp. Lemme guess...that figure came from the chip manufacturer right? Adds 50 hp! (When compared to the original chip used on a heavily-turboed to 18 psi, intercooled, rebuilt, modified out motor with air/fuel requirements so drastically different from the stock chip that it's amazing it runs without leaning out and exploding!)

 

Chips don't fix turbos that aren't spooling because they're exceeding flow specs. And I went through multiple sources for the skidpad numbers, I just chose those to post. If you can reference a 944 pulling a G on the skidpad, be my guest. Plus, v6 camaros have a damn-near 50/50 weight ratio, btw =)

 

lol, V6 camaros have no where neer 50/50 weight distrobution unless you have a 5 ton floor jack sitting in the back.

FBodys are so light ended its not even funny. (Even the 4 cyl's)

Also, yeah the stock 944's Turbo isnt the best in the world, but it has enough capabilties to make 300RWHP easily.

And the Chip really does add 50hp, no lie. The stock chips just really really suck.

 

To help clarify why I locked this post if you read the announcement at the top of the board it states that only third gen f-body topics are aloud on the boards. There are at least 7 post about the Porsche and it looked like it was leading into an arguement any way. I choose to delete some post in another thread instead of locking it. So if there is any misunderstanding just reread the announcement at the top of the board and rememeber that this is a V6 Board.