I have a 92 RS 3.1, and my parents arent letting me get a V8, so what are some mods i can get to get as much horsepower as i possibly can?

3.8 out of a Grand National

firebirdv6.com

go to mod encyclopedia
go to third gen mods
check all them out

plus gears, headers, driveshaft (82-02 driveshafts from camaro/ firebirds are interchangeable), torque converter, complete tuneup (https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=162251)

when you get all the money to do that and install it all, come back and see me :sillylol:

and welcome to the site!

First - TomP's major tuneup.

Then - Catback exhaust + TPI style intake and K&N filters. Open up your airflow bigtime right there!

I would get a:

Dynomax Cat back
High Flow Converter
MSD Coil
Accel Wires/Tune Up
K&N Filter/Cold Air

Then I would get
3.73 gears and a posi
2800 RPM Stall Coverter
Crane 2030 Cam
1.52 Roller Rockers
Chip

Before you do any of this, make sure you are paying for both the car and the insurance yourself. No need to punish your parents if something bad happens.

741-05175 94-up 3.4L/3.8L Camaro/Firebird $519.99

most bang for buck. If misused, loudest bang for buck

Hey unvc92camarors, only punks from OH use firebirdv6.com

:sillylol: agreed

What performance increases can I expect from a K&N air filter?

low end doesnt really do too much, maybe a little
top end and on the highway it really helps
but dont get just the filter, get a whole new intake setup
i did the pvc piping one on firebirdv6.com

Why do they have any say about what you do with your money?

I just need advice on what i should get, because most of my friends i know dont know jack about 3rd gen camaros.

What can I do to atleast raise my horsepower to 170?

How much money are you willing to spend? It's gonna take a lot, if you plan on keeping your 3.1. The 2 biggest impovements I made with my 3.1 were the Dynomax Catback($150) and the Magnum 1.52 roller rockers($112). Those 2 mods made a signifcant increase in power esp. in 2nd gear. I also put a K&N filter in and an ASP crank pulley. I doubt those even contributed to any HP gain though. My next project is a cam. I guess it all depends on how much $$ you want to spend.

go find a 3.4L motor and drop that in. Will hook right up with minimal work, as far as engien swaps go, and it's the biggest bang for the buck. You start out with more power, then you do the mods and everyone is happy.

Hey thanks. Where can i pull a 3.4 out of? my friend has a 3.4 lumina Z34 that outs out about 215 hp, is that kind of engine compatibal? Being a chevy engine and all?

I don't think so. It's a FWD engine and that means that the starter is on the wrong side. Just go down to the local graveyard, find a decent 3.4 out of a camaro and pop that in. You can even get one that doesn't run, rebuild it in the garage while you drive the current one around, when you get done twith the new motor, take a weekend to put it in.

sounds good. How much would one usually cost?

depends on where you find it. I think normal costs are about $250 all the way up to $900, depending on condition, location, how much work you do to get to it, etc.

ok to get the 170 horse out of a 140ish horse motor. remove the smog first off then put the high flow cat and catback exhuast. now if you got the cash get it dynoed bet you'll have it. and if not. worst you'll have is 160. which case do the CAI and get the underdrives they list on firebirdv6.com with the crank and altanator. should be over the 170 now. and for your ups after that. save up and get your suspension rebuilt. with a 1 inch lower and sub frame connectors, plus bigger sway bars and a tubed panhard bar.

You'd be lucky to only gain 10 HP with all of that-(Highflow cat, aftermarket catback muffler system, so called CIA, and underdrive pulley) youd be sitting at about 150-155HP on a stock 3.1 with those mods. Change the t-pipe to Y-pipe and add 1.52 roller rockers and you'll have about 10 more HP.

Edit: from what i've seen and heard, the Firebird guys will show improvements on their CIA intake ducting modifications- but the Camaro's don't gain anything- CIA is a gimmick for Camaros, you get enough cool airflow under the hood for engine intake already- Mine runs the same whether its through the dual intake or just wide open into the MAF/TB.

if you say so. then he should do the cheep way and just put ns rather then spend a couple hundred dollars on mods that don't do anything. and I talkin max hp. I mean sorry to be rude but where did y'all learn to get hp? what it says for hp is max horse. not horse pulled at idle or red line. it's pulled where it peeks. high flows cat add about 5, dump the smog and READJUST TIMING adds about 5, a cat back adds at least 15, under drives add at least 3 and your cai with k/n add about 15. now change internal **** and the cai and exhaust adds can change. so if he does what I said he can see a minimum of 30hp gain. most likely more if the motor is still in good shape. but he also has to make sure the car is in proper repair first cause if it ain't whats the point......right?


if you are gonna run with no af and wide open on a fi car don't tell me about gains and loses because thats as bad at hittin nos off the line in a bare stock block

Keep reading your magazine ads kid and keep dreaming. 15HP out of INTAKE PLUMBING AND A FILTER-- ARE YOU REALLY THAT NAIVE?

really a kid that's a joke right? I mean so then you would say there's no gain what so ever when you had a smooth con rod over a rough one right. what do you get when you remove friction from an engine? what gain do you get with syn in the eng, trans and diff? what's a spool? what can happen in the case of running open headers for too long?

trust me punk don't call a person a kid till ya know um. cause I have more money in tools and school for cars then you make in a year so maybe you should shut up and study a lil

How old are you kid? About 23 right? so worldly and stupid to be calling someone 6'4" 238lbs a punk

I'll ask you again- what proof do you have that a CIA and K&N filter give you a 15HP gain on a 3.1 60*v6?

23

You want to try and guess what I make a year income wise? I'm 36 by the way.

238lbs??? It aint no wonder you don't show a gain. the main concept of the cold air as everybody refers to it is to remove the ridges that are on the stock intake. the ridges make the air flow rough as in comparison to the air flowing smooth on a cai which gives better air flow to give the extra power. now to go one step ferther ya jerk if there was a way to spin the air persay. which would have to be custom made because nobody produces one that would in turn give more power because it circulates the air. now look just go back to school for auto and them come talk to me about gains and loses

Like I said- naive.

I mean everybody knows that "spool" is what happens to your fishing line if you cast wrong

Do you know how stupid that made you look??


If your so smart what's the point in polishing your heads?

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That would be so they look shiney right? For a car show thingy-ma-bobby look?

Or maybe its for after I port my 62mm TB into my plenium "asswipe", then I polish it right "spanky"?- You ever seen a TB that big on a V6 "clown"- I own that "idiot".

Are we done with the name calling?

Lets get back to-

What proof do you have that a CIA and K&N filter will give a 15HP gain to a 3.1l 60*v6?

still like I said. I know what I am talking about. and i did say ABOUT 15. and it's mostly for the same fact that I said port and polish.....I mean polish as in make smooth not shiney. it allows the air to flow free and smooth.

But hey i can't prove 15 for a fact because all I run is carbs more tuneable.

airfilters there out of style! people still use those?


j/k....

Just for fun (because I like you- or maybe because I'm bored- it doesn't matter) I happen to be related to that late Bob Russo- who is Bob Russo? Only one of the oldest and most respected NHRA top executives (rest in peace). I have known what a spool is since I was in diapers young person (h3ll, I like to think that I am still a spring chicken)

I also happen to be one of three judges and main officials each year for the NHRA AAA shootouts carshow and race car exhibition the week prior to the finals, Dave McCullen annouces for us each year also.

Let me ask you a basic kid-

Do you know what a "throttle stop" is? and "how they work?"

Go study that basic info and then come back and try to school me more about polishing heads- then we can talk about chassis settings like wedge, axis roll, and roll understeer.

After that we can talk about my driving career on Dick Guldstrands GRA team for 6 years, and also how I was the first non-employee of Irwindale 1/2mile course to run a full blown Nascar latemodel toe to toe with Clint Mears (That indycar famed Rick Mears kid- You might reconizes Clint's brother as Casey Mears currently unning Nascar)

Have a good night you young and wet person you.

Well s*it, if it's that easy then why aren't we all running out and getting this stuff done and beating all the little **** rockets???

omg. Yanno, I was starting to respect you again AGood2.8

Seriously, AGood2.8's right. You will NOT gain 15 hp from a freaking catback/hi flow cat on a 3.1

92RS3.1, if you're still here, follow my advice.

The best think you can do, is TomP's major tuneup. Do that first. Then, remove the smog equipment (assuming you have no smog checks - look into that first).

Next, replace your timing chain. Then, set your timing to 12º initial, instead of the stock 10. You'll get a noticeable mid range performance increase.

On the 3.1, you'll notice you have 90º angles in your intake tract. That is NOT good for the airflow, right? Get rid of that, and get a TPI style intake from a 2.8. Like mine - it runs straight forward, and in front of the radiator. Just like that, you have better flow AND cold air induction. Nice, eh?

The exhaust is a major hp killer in ALL our V6s. Get the dynomax catback, and hi flow cat. This, the timing, the tuneup, and the intake should get you about 10-15 solid hp. Now, I know that doesn't seem like much - and it isn't - but what you need to realize is that you aren't doing this for the power gains now, but so that any BIG things you do (Nitrous or heads/cam) will increase your power MUCH more than with the stock intake/exhaust in place. :hail:

If you can have a muffler shop weld you up a nice Y pipe in place of your stock one, that will also help performance. Our Y pipes suck!

On a bit of a personal note, anyone that even thinks a carb is more tuneable than fuel injection, probably runs a 3/4 race cam.

Hey TomP, do I need to say any more?

One more note - AGood2.8 knows suspension geometry. Give him that - the man DOES know what he's talking about. Quit the pissing contest, cuz honestly, I can outpiss you both.

ok then I'll shut up and be a better person. I ain't answerin the questions.

Even if he runs the tpi style induction put a smooth pipe instead of the stock tube. I mean it does give a small increase just llike anything else

Yeah, with the 3.1, you don't have to worry about a MAF - just run a nice, straight pipe from the intake base, to the throttle body!

no keep the maf but dump the ribbed duct.

I asked around at work today and everybody said I was wrong about 15hp on the cai that is 20 to 25 and for the exhaust it's 20 to 30.

15 hp from a CAI?! hell i didnt even get that much swapping from an open element on my throttle body to a custom made 3 inch CAI on my L98!. carbs are more tuneable? riight try another one there. last time i checked a carb couldnt tell you driving down the road if it was running lean or rich let alone fix it by itself. or how about a carb adjusting for detonation? nope aint gonna happen. and if he has a 92 RS he wont have a MAF sensor. gotta love speed density.

i would suggest like a couple others did and do an engine swap. make sure the engine you swap in has been rebuilt tho. nothing like bad piston rings etc. i know those REALLY hurt the performance of my 87 2.8 camaro. i could easily use 1/4 of a tank on the highwya in OD at 70 one way to a city 30 minutes away....

lol, you must work with r1cers.

Do Stickers add 5hp each too? what about a huge wings in the back?

CIA adds 20 hp ON PAPER IN THEORETICAL TERMS, but real world benefits arent even close. Same thing with the exaust.

I don't even see 20hp on paper, from 135hp.

Why do you need MAF if you have a speed density computer, using a MAP sensor?

Where in the world do you work? Tell your co-workers they need to step away from the crack pipe!

ok y'all ask where my proof is.....where's y'all's it don't?

http://www.se-r-list.org/new-archive...07/001315.html

7hp on a Dyno.

Hey, ill give that a try. I can't expect any performance from a flowmaster exhaust, can i?

did you read that article? now where was the hp he was talking about gaining 7hp? that was a 7hp gain at the whels not at the motor.

Over the stock muffler, yes. You'll find a full catback will have the best performance increase, tho!