Hi i've been lurking now for about 6 months since I got my 91 RS. When I first got it I got beat by an old man in a Lincoln Towncar and that was it. I took my graduation money and started modding my car. Its a whole different animal now! I can even hang with 4.6 2v Mustangs now! (not the sticks though, they get me pretty good out of the hole ) Most of what I learned was from this site. I just wanted to become a part of it and share my limited knowledge with some other people in the need.

 

black ZR1s.. nice.... got any pics mang?


-Bud

 

Wow... I see the headers, but what cam/head setup are you running? I can't believe you'd be running mid/low 15's - that's where Am91_Camaro is, with headers, 10:1 cr, 218/218º cam, and headwork...

 

Welcome. Get ready to be flamed by a few people, most guys don't like to hear about quick V6 thirdgens outside of this forum . How do you like those hedders?

 

What do you maen about getting flamed?

And the headers are all I could ask for and more. Made a nice increase in midrange power and changed the way it sounds. I like 'em though they were a little costly.

 

I mean people comin in here and telling you you're a liar or somthing similar for beatin a V8 car (the old, "why don't you get a V8" thing too). You will find some knowledgable people though.

 

Thats all I'm looking for, thanks

 

ditto

 

and it did not take long for the first flame...

Some people just cannot imagine a V6 beating a V8. Sorry, mine did it all the time. I could easily waste a 305 TBI without getting out of 3rd gear.

I could also hang with the smaller stangs. Dunno the engine, but they were not Cobra's or anything.
I even made Integra's look stupid. ringgg rinngggg... Me WHOAAAA past them in a V6.

You will always hear people say that "there is no replacement for displacement" I say... horse pucky. To hell there is'nt. A motor I am working on will have WELL over 100Hp 120 Trq PER CYLINDER. And still get the mid 30's MPG IN THE CITY. And have the power to where it is in the midrange, so I will not sit there and spin looking like a fool.

You just have to know what your doing and how to do it.

 

br()bert, don't push it. I don't even want your V8 propoganda on this forum, regardless of how well-founded it is. This board isn't the place for it.

Doward wasn't flaming, Doward was questioning based on the pure fact that AM91 had to do alot more to his car to achieve similar times. I'd kinda like to know what AM91's doin wrong myself...

 

 

are you working on a 6 cyl ...? so your getting 600+hp and 720+trq and getting 30mpg in the city ?....

i find that hard to chew man dont you think you may ha\/e stretched the numbers a little there ....


not saying a \/6 cant be built up to run good and strong but dang those numbers dont add up to me what are you putting in it to get those numbers man cmon share with e\/eryone on here so we know too...lol

 

Wow....I'd like to know myself, I could use just one extra cylinder with that much power . If I copy your idea, you won't sue me will you?

 

and V6sucker im not flaming you im just curios as to how ?

 

It is very possible D. RPMSxGears=Speed

These engine rev so fast when running right. Along with the T5 and 3.73s I am sure he has no problem hanging with that rust stang.

I have just the 2.8 t5 and stock rear and am surprised how many cars I kill. You can't assume everyone is a pro racer.

Ive taken $40,000 BMW's with out trying. "On the street."
At a real drag race with good drivers, I would be killed.

[he never said it was timed real drag racing with seasoned racers.]

I would believe him.
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OK Welcome to the board dude.

This is just a general comment but just realize you wont find much love out side this section. this board is very anti V6 to the point of harassment. You will even get flack in here now and then. I have no idea why there is no love in the 3rd gen world?

Best to beat around the bush if you don't need to say you own a V6. Ask about some speakers and if you mention it s V6 they will explain why a V8 would be better money spent then speakers.

Trust me. I know first hand. Its mind boggling.

 

didnt say he couldnt beat those cars man settle down i just said i dont belie\/e his hp trq numbers he is putting up on here..thats all

 

For the record: noone accused you General, so you're cool in my book.....for now *suspicious eyes*

 

I would like to know how v6 is planing on making those numbers. My responce was deleted by someone who obviously didnt understand what i was saying.

V6 said "theres no replacment for displacment " Is horse crap.

I think its not because if i could make 300 hp with engine A which is, oh say 300 ci (just a number pulled out of the air) imagine the power i could make with engine B with say 600 ci if i put the same work into it. That is why i believe the displacment statment to be true. Now i dont think id ever want an engine that big, all numbers are for an example only and pulled out of the air and ment not to insult or offend anyone.

I was in no way pushing some v8 crap or anthing for that matter, maybe i could have worded it differnt, i dont know.

I'll try to keep the infinite evil vee eight word off this section, all i was trying to do is discuss something someone brought up.


Also why do i feel like i need a disclaimer to post mo?


V6 how are you going about making those numbers? Just wondering.

 

You *really* need to work on how you post quotes, then, br()bert... like perhaps using QUOTE, rather than just saying it. It really looked like you were just yappin' on again about how V8s are so much better (which you were, which is why I deleted it)

 

There is no replacement for displacement.
That's why I have a V6 and Z28 insted of a 1.6L honda.
V6's are cheap, lighter, there easy on the gas and small more than any thing.
SBC's, you get a lot for your money, there like turbos you can get one in just about any size or shape you want with off the shelf parts. The engine I'm putting togeather for my Z is going to be a gas eater with a ton of SBC cast iron and a plump TH700 in and near the frount of the car it's going to kind of be a sled through the turns.
I like that 218/218 cam and headers that would be an idel combo, maybe some rear gears will complement them even more.

 

A: there is no replacement for displacement where absolute power output is concerned. Technology used on smaller motors that make more power will make yet more power in a fairly linear fashion when correctly applied to larger motors. Efficiency, on the other hand, is damaged by internal friction.. the larger the motor, the more friction losses.

B: If the motor you are working on is a GM 60 degree V6, video of the dyno run is the only way anyone (including myself) is believing you, since ~300 hp is the standing record on a 60 degree mill. (high quality video preferred.. I want to wave it in the faces of unbelievers if you pull it off.)

 

Wow how did my thread go spinning out of control about v8's?

 

LOL, sorry WP, but you'll find that's the biggest problem around here - Somebody won't believe you, and someone else will simply tell you to get a V8. It's constant! A couple more weeks of fabrication, and then the VP turbo kit will be done. THEN we'll see who says to 'throw in a V8'

I'm not doubting your times man... I know the 2v 4.6s aren't all that - but the 2.8/T5 combo stock is a 17 flat.

Now, you're a 3.1/T5 - that's a 16.7, I believe... I know with a new cam, a 16.3-16.4 is possible.. with 3.73s *which AM91 has found to be pretty much optimal* I can see a 16.1.. headers + mandrel Y pipe (and do you have a mandrel catback, too?) if so, I can see a 15.7-15.8 there... enlarged TB (did you port out the intake?) 15.6 or so there....

Now, a 5 spd 4.6 is a 15.2-15.3... automatic, 15.5-15.6.

Holy Toledo, Batman! It IS possible.

But so you see? a new cam, and some port & polish is required to get there... (or so it would seem) What cam are you running?

 

Welcome to the boards


I to want to know what your planing to pull off

WELL over 100Hp 120 Trq PER CYLINDER. And still get the mid 30's MPG IN THE CITY.

 

Welcome to the forum!! That's a great list of "first mods" you did! How did you get a '91 axle with 3.73 gears? Did the previous owner swap the gears into it, or did you have it done?

 

Had it done locally... Took the rear end out of a parts car and swapped in the 3.73's. Cost me $150 for the gearset, $80 for the install kit, $300 for the auburn diff, and $150 for installation.

Next on the mod list is a set of lowering springs, LCA's, Z28 sway bars, and bigger brakes if i can get something decently priced. It all comes with time and money. I should have everything together by this time next year. I want to also think about running nitrous. So upgrading the fuel system and adding nitrous will be on the list too but I think i'll save that part for last.

A buddy of mine has an LS1 3rd gen and i'm going to go that route myself if the v-6 grenades. (no hate mail, please). But I still want to get the suspension and brakes upgraded 1st then see how much abuse my little v6 can handle

 

Mitsu 2.0 DOHC T4E/T3 and 25 PSI.

I never said it was a V6... or even a V motor.

Also boost at 1300 Rpm's...
That is the great thing about turbos and wastegates, you can turn in down when not stomping a Z or a mustang.

Also, I am hoping to have the motor in and running by next weekend. I am just waiting for some aluminum plate to arrive monday to finish the motor mounts. I got the last of the "little" parts today. I just have to have the driveshaft lengthened(or more then likely a new one fabbed-$65 bucks), and a reverse clutch actuator installed ($60 or so-pulls togeather not apart).
Then it is tuning time with a good ol laptop.

While the motor will be capible of very high numbers, right now the weakest link is the trans. So untill I get a 700R core to rebuild and have the adapter plate made, I will probly be limited to 7-9 PSI. Then get to go over the whole driveshaft thing again.
I am hoping this late summer/fall I can have the trans ready, and just be working on the adapter plate.

 

I got a set of those for sale if interested. 1.25" front 1" rear.

 

Got em already, but thanks for the offer

 

Whats the numbers on that engine as they come? Just wondering.

 

Wow that sounds pretty sweet.
I am still a little leary of 30mpg, I know a few ppl who have some nice fast 4 cylinders, you know womp a z28 and they are lucky with there mods to get 30mpg highway now. I know one guy who has a Nissan 240SX that is modded up and he gets 18 mpg city. I am just wondering if the wastegate deal on the turbo will allow you to get your milage back up?

WhitePower Welcome to TGO.
As far as your mods, good start, you will get some crap, but if you can go to the track and get a time sheet you will shut up the unbelievers.

 

i'm a bit curious about the question that seems to be being avoided, too. what cam are you running? have you actually had the car to track? i want to see some numbers! where/how did you get your TB ported???????

 

well the ECM will be dual programmed.
EGO and normal.
EGO will be basically 9-up PSI
Normal will be below 9.
You can have all the mods you want with a turbo and just turn down the boost and it will act like the small engine it is.
At 7-9 PSI, I am estimating around 275-300 Hp. At that level, I should only be doing maybe 1/4-1/3 of the total power atainable. There is a local guy that is helping me and he has a very similar setup, but he has a T4B (47Lb airflow Vs mine at 53) and he gets 24 city and 33 highway at 5 Psi.

 

Stock cam, never been to the track before. TB was ported by a buddy at his shop.

 

15's with stock heads and cam????? ummmm....do you live in the dead sea area? Death valley? I'm not callin ya a bullshiater, but that is pretty amazing.... I'm running a 3.4 with a cam and hedders, and I'm only running like a 15.6~ maybe faster in decent weather..... Damn, now I need a 3.1 swap

 

"never been to the track before" Key words here. Am and fbod have. Time slips tell alot.

 

Yep... take that thing to the track, man! Best $15 or so you'll ever spend... it's a total blast, and then you have timeslips to back up your talk

 

Hey, V6sucker, the only part about your Mitsu build I have a hard time buying is the mileage. I've got a 2004 PT Cruiser Turbo (go easy on my guys!) with the Mopar Stage 1 upgrade. A week ago I ran a 14.87 1/4 mile with my street tires....and I've got an automatic in the thing. A friend of mine was running a dual stage boost controller in his PT and ran a 14.2. I can a barely get 25mpg on the highway, more like 17 city if I'm a really really good boy

If you're going to boost to 25psi that's pretty awesome....I'm only boosting about 15psi and my buddy was running around 18psi (plus drag radials, stiff motor mounts, etc). I've seen SRT-4's making almost 600HP so your 100HP per cylinder is NOT a fantasy.

Now if only I could get that out of my wife's 92 RS 3.1 that would be great fun!

By the way, my PT spanks those Mustang 4.6L GTs pretty well, and the older 5.0L GTs too. Really freaks those guys out!


EDIT: OK, OK, if you're going to set it up so your daily driving boost is low single digit you can probably acheive the high MPG....my bad. I'm sure your Mitsu has way better aerodynamics than my PT!! It's sort of a brick, ya know?

 

welcome, but be warned about how you post your questions what everyone is saying is true, YOU WILL GET BASHED on your home board (v6) for not having a v8, because "there is no way" you can beat a v8. HA!!!! btw congrats on your car it looks sweet on paper, got any pics?

 

Agreed! My times always sucked, but it was always a fun trip!!

 

i have always woundered what about my times are wounder if i can even pull a 15 haha

 

Mine? no not yet. Just a few engine pics so far.
I finally got a big part I was waiting for. The T3 core, so the T4/3 is now fully assembled and tested.
I finally got the trans situation sorted a few days ago, and I am waiting till mon/tues for the plate aluminum to drill. After that, by wends at the latest the engine/trans will be in and I am hoping to have her fired up and running by the weekend.

Damn, I still need to drop that damn driveshaft off...

But yes, I am well aware there is no way I will get mid 30's MPG at 25 PSi... And no the car is not a "brick"

I am just waiting to get a real job because I want to swap in a RB26TT into the sister car of the one I am building now. 6 cyl? yes. V motor? no. For those not too into the import sceen... the only name I can say is Skyline.
Those that know, will be when the hood opens.

 

why do your times suck so much? i mean, you have an awsome knowledge about your car and sruff so why do your times suck so bad?

 

...RB26TT hmmmmm. Your first mod should be to drop that Twin turbo system and swith to the single . There's a guy here in town with the RB26TT (running a single snail), he's running low 12's (oh yeah, it's in a 240...)

 

GrayFox, I think it's the mileage... +271,000 miles. The cam lobes are probably wiped out. We'll find out when I rebuild everything

 

single T88 to be specific But they are normally TT cars.

and I bet jaws drop when the hood goes up too!

 

Why did you pick the name WhitePower???

I just wonder

 

they say-yea....The KKK Took My Baby Away.. they took her away... away from me-heh.

White RS and a serious power plant under the hood... where else?




-Bud

 

Heres a before pic, when I first got it two years ago... I don't have anything recent

 

... uhh.. white rs.. serious power plant... you described a B4C perfectly but we're still wondering about WhitePower
(disclaimer, this comment isn't neccessarily fair since B4Cs are generally accepted to be 1LE Z28s with A/C and RS badges.)