Dale

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ok, as promised, little later then planned, but still as promised.

I made a page with text tips on these installs. Also a page with 10 pictures.

Please be patence, as it is a free site so you may kill my band with. It will also have 1-3 pop-ups.

If something is not shown that you want a picture off, please respond here, or pm me and I will do my best to get it for you.

Enjoy
:delete link:

kretos

nice work, atleast we finally have headers

90firebird

sucks that the stock paint burns off like it does... a friend of mine put pacesetters on his 3.4 93 camaro, and that paint came right off..

Doward

The stock paint is just so they don't rust during shipping.

Dale, thanks for the underside pics. That's friggen' scary - they've got the headers routed almost exactly like I routed the turbo Y.

What's that mean? Oh yes. Definetly turbo Y for the Pacesetter Headers.

What size are the pipes, right after the collectors?

I'm also uncomfortable with just how close the driver's side is, to the oil filter

MakeitQuick92RS

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Can you still replace the filter for oil changes even if you get the headers? Doward is right it is kind of scary...

Dale

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Doward, I was told the pipe where it meats to the cat, is 2.375. Pipe appeared to be same size all the way across. So I am guessing 2.25-2.375.

Pacesetter has a car in TODAY(so they say) and are checking the oil filter problems. I have been emailing them back n forth every day. They are concerned about it!

I have not changed my oil yet in the car, still got about 500-700 miles before I do that. I will be getting a pf47 for test fit, but plan/still want to run a pf52.

(got email while typing this, car just arrived he said)

Doward

Ok, so I'll have to run a small stepdown... 2.25" to 2" (duals) to 2.5" Y into turbo, 2.5" exhaust out.

Yeah, that sounds good... I've got to build exhaust velocity before it gets into the turbine - I'm liking this spool @ 1900 rpm

AM91Camaro_RS

i thought they were supposed to have 2.5" y-pipe?!?! is that 2.375 ID or OD?

edit: i thought they had 2.5" collectors then ran 2.5 duals into a single 2.5. sounds kinda funny but that's the idea i got.

Dale

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I asked what the size of the pipe was where the cat would attach to before they even arrived.

I was quoted 2.375.
The pipe didnt appear to be any larger or smaller over where the y-pipe met up the the main headers part. I ASSUME all of the y-pipe, and where it bolts up to is same.

Another email from them. Said fixing the oil filter problem would not be an issue. Said they would keep me up to date.

Looks like its getting fixed

AM91Camaro_RS

ok. as far as the filter problem, does that mean that they are "redesigning" them and you get new ones when they're done?

Dale

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it sounds like they are redesigning the left one. As far as me getting new left one, nothing has been said so far. If they do offer, I'm going to accept and inform everyone.

kretos

sounds good, keep us up to date

TomP

Cool, Pacesetter rocks! Hey they're fixing it for the PF52 filter right? And not the "early" PF47 smaller filter?

Oh well I guess they have to, so it bolts up to all 82-92 2.8/3.1's...

Dale

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Tomp, I told them about the different oil filters, and what we assumed happened. They took the advice, so I assume (again) that they are fixing it for the larger filter.


I just got my cut-out cap on. Exhaust sounds really good with pacesetters, "off road y-pipe", and dynomax catback. I'll ask around and see if anyone has digi video equipment.

Not much of a raspy sound when you romp on it tell about 4500.


I have a 56sec sound clip I need hosted, someone pm me with email to send to for hosting.

Gumby

How many megs???

If you need a better spot for the pics and info I can give you some space. Id actually give just about anyone around here space with a mod to post, if it keeps you from using cardomain or yahoo.


I pay for 1000gigs of space n 1000gigs of bandwith a day. I can't even use 1/3 of it. PM me a user name n password.

drdave88

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ill make sure to use the link to the site you posted, thanks a lot dale. i think mine will go on after i get it painted (starts next weekend) since im doing under the hood as well, its less crap there to tape off and paint around. so hopefully within a month or so ill have them on, drive it and then park it for the winter. man i hate michigan. although, if you know michigan, i could be driving it still in january, lol.

Gumby

Dales exhaust clip


http://www.viragotech.com/test2.wav

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Thanks Gumby!

Car idles at 1400.
First rev is to 2000-2100
slowly take it up to 5000, then sudden let-off
few more revs to un-known rpms.

Sound clip taken on win2kpro "sound recorder", with labtec cheapie mic, setting about 6ft behind center of car, on ground


3.4
Pacesetter headers
off-road y-pipe
Dynomax catback

Gumby

I tried to get one like you did, to compare a non header car.

I have no cat and the system runs straight back then turn n exits out the left with a cherrybomb glass pack and a single tip.

My car was cold and I didn't rev very far or high. maybe 2800 [Neighbors just got home from a trip today, gotta be nice.]

http://www.viragotech.com/cherrybomb_2.8.wav


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What kind of download speed are you guys getting on these files. I use dial up so nothing is fast for me. I just wonder how well it streams.

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KED85

Dale
MANY THANKS for the educational pictorial.
How well do they fit around the subframe connectors?
PS WAY TO GO PACESETTER EXHAUST! THANK YOU MR FRED GERLE!!!!!

Dale

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Doesnt even come close to the subframes.

89V6FBIRD

Can we make this a sticky?? Or at least put Dale's link in the header sticky?

Doward

Holy crap that sounds nice, Dale! I want a set of those headers!

TomP

Dale, sounds good! I liked that last set of rev's best! Gumby, yours sounds great too! The files streamed perfectly, no problems.

If you guys want sounds of a non-header'd car, mine are still up at http://www.geocities.com/tomp_3rdgen/exhaustclips.html .

Haha, if you go to my main page, just geocities.com/tomp_3rdgen ... I got a kick out of Geocities' new pop-up ad things. I guess they search the page for key words and that's how they pick ads? Well one of the ads was "Buy TOM stock"

AdmAnt13

I dunno, it may just be the recording equipment Dale used, but it sounds alot more tinny and V6 like than Tomp's. No offense to Dale of course, just my observations.

I'm very hesistant now whether to install my headers or not because I am happy with the way the car sounds now and I don't want to change it for the worse.

I wish I could post the soundclip of my car, but I have no way to put it on the internet, unless someone knows of a free site that hosts mpeg or wav files?

-Adam

vsixtoy

We all posted soundclips before sometime on another post. I searched and didn't find it though the first time- I'll check later when I have more time.

Dale

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my recording equipment sucks ****, I know. I got all graphic, not audio.

I said somewhere on here.
At idle, it sounds better with headers.
while on it hard, it sounded better with manifolds.


MPG seems to have went up.

I did first oil change on it this weekend. Now, remember mine are the first set, with bad left header. I had to take it loose to get my larger filter off. I bolted back up, then put the small filter on. It fit, but tight!

Put a rag over the header pipe, cause when you pull the filter off, it drains right onto the pipe. Makes for smoke smelly mess the next time you drive it

RandogLeader

I work with audio everday and I can assure you that the reason that Dale's exhaust sounds more "tinny" than Tom-P's is because of microphone choice, not exhaust! If I were to take that same clip from Dale and "re-master" the EQ, it would sound very rumbly on the low-end, which is probably how it sounds in real life.
I am more interested in the performance aspect. Do you notice any more "pull" when you take off with these headers? I am going to get some regardless because I snapped a manifold bolt off when I removed my Y-Pipe, but what do you guys think about the way they perform. Is it just a "sound" thing? Also, should I drop the extra $150 to get the coated ones? I see that you guys say that the paint comes off the cheaper ones. Will they rust real fast? Thanks for the feedback!

AM91Camaro_RS

i would definately get the coated ones. the basic paint will come off pretty quick and they will start to rust.

Supermann

if you get them coated, what color are they painted?

KED85

GENERALLY that option gives you a shiny silver-ish finish.

89firebirdguy05

it sounds just like my car.it dont have a cat..just a straight pipe..sounds almost the same