Man, today blows big time! Started rain alot while I was at work, on the way home of my normal path, the road is flooded in a new spot. I waited my turn, and plowed thru it. Half way thru, cough, put, dead. Wont even freakin crank!!!

Roll down window, water is up past the gfx But hey, my door seals arnt leaking!!! Some dude runs up, and offers to push me out (thinking, sweet, get outta this water and get my starter back and im strait) NOPE

towed home=100 bux
2 air filters=price unknown
6 brand new plugs=6x1.50
set of 8mm wires=55

We shall see what else it needs tommorow. Hydro lock engines suck ****!!!

 

NOT good to hear, hopefully you can get it fixed man...

 

oh man, i hope you get this fixed

 

jeez that sucks. I remember once there was a relly bad storm, and the entrance at work flooded, and I watched people trying to plow through it, but this water was deep.. like, people were up to their thighs kind of deep. And one by one, they went in, made it maybe half way and then steam and the headlights go out.

One guy hit it at like 30 in his van, and he made it through, but the thing started smoking really bad on the other side.

Man, I hope you get it fixed easy.

 

the trick in a van is to drive through nice and slow

in my old work van i went through a foot and a half of water doing just barely 10kmh, any faster and it would of stalled

 

don't know why but rotary motors don't seem to have a problem with hydrolocking.
maybe it's the imperfect seal made or some other issue but it doesn't seem like they hydro that easy
might stall on ya but still run fine once you clean the water out

 

must be nice

 

well, starter is still good as it spun the engine over this morning and shot water out the holes. So thats a good sign.

Add a pair of dress shoes and socks the list of damaged items.

Off at lunch to get some plugs and cheap wires

 

Crap that sux! Good luck! Note to self...no puddles!

I've been fortunate that there is not many areas where there is standing water in the road. The one or 2 ties its been bad due to floodig I took the dually. So I had no issues!

The last time I hit bad standing water in RAIF, I hydroplaned into a street sign. Got the rear quarters on the passenger side. It was all to avoid an idiot who pulled out on a hwy in front of me with no lights on in a down poor. Did not see him pulling out till he was smack in front of me and I was about to plow into him. So I merged into other lane, there was the water! Me and another guy both, one after the other, went off the road cause of this guy. He of course just kept on going!

I don't like driving in the rain!

 

my friend did something liek this with his ford truck

was pulling a boat out of the water while his hold back end was submerged the motor died and wouldn't crank after that

took it out of the water pulled the spark plugs cranked the motor and then put new plugs in and it ran fine after shooting the water out the cylinder head
but he was lucky

hope you end up just as well cause that would suck to be owned by a puddle in the road

 

redraif, your intake is up front on the hood. Just make sure it doesnt go over the hood. I figured out mine created a basic plow and built up the water wave tell the intake sucked it up. It had no place to go, and no other place to suck from.

rx7, I think I'll be fine. starters good, plugs look fine, engine spins like a **** with no noises.

Went to get wires n filters and was gonna get plugs too (JIC). Mr checkbook said I couldnt Gotta wait on parts tell friday.

In mean time, I'm gonna mount my peddles to convert to 5sp.

 

I have also heard it has alot to do with where your exhaust is. Hence Hummers having high exhaust outlets above the roof. They are known to go in water up to the drivers nose and keep truckin! If the water is as high as your exhaust that can cause the car to die too and I have a cut out before the cat!

 

Glad to hear it wasn't hydrolocked!

That trick isn't just for vans, either. I went thru water back in '96 that went over my car's hood- I thought I was a goner. Nope! Made it out! Best part was, there were lifted up trucks and vans that had stalled out in it- I bet they were sooo pissed. It was the rainstorm from hell, and what I had crossed (a valley between two hills) had basically turned into a river. I was lost somewhere up in Rahway, NJ- I had been going to junkyards looking for a front bumper- yep, shoulda stayed home.

Here's another trick- don't you dare let up on that gas pedal! Nice and slow and steady, but don't let up on the gas. As soon as you let up on the gas, backpressure will suck that water up right thru the exhaust pipes and stall ya out.

Granted, when I got to the top of the hill, the motor was struggling... turns out the air filter was completely soaked. And I mean Soaked! I popped the hood and had my passenger hold the throttle open; then I jumped out and removed the air filter. I definately didn't want that motor to shut off! The air filter was dripping. To this day I can't figure out how the engine was pulling air. That was a paper filter, too, not a K&N.

And I found leaves and twigs in the damndest places after that.

Dale, how deep was the water? Did it come 3/4 up the rear tires? You might also want to change the fluid in the axle if the water was over the vent tube, and if it was really deep, you might want to change the fluid in the trans.

 

Actually, water by itself doesn't cause enough backpressure to stall a car out most of the time.

Why do I say this? My old 1960 Correct Craft ski boat has the exhaust coming straight out the back of the boat, and the pipes usually sits under about 4 or 5" of water. The boat has no troubles starting, or running with the exhaust pipes under water.

Water makes a great muffler, at idle its quiet as a mouse, but open it up the exhaust gets loud as hell when the boat planes out.

 

hummers have the intake really high so they don't stall, I don't think they have the exhaust any higher. The air intake is above the cab on'em.



hope your car is alright Dale.

 

Tom, I am quite sure the water was as high as the center of the axle. It may have been as high as 3/4. I never got out of the car in the deepest part where I stalled. Just rolled window down to see how deep, and . Thats when someone came over n pushed me out.

Trans fluid, I could care less. Gives me excuse for the t5 sooner

Rear axle fluid, hum.... Excuse to install that posi I have sitting on the shelf

Anything else I should check?

 

you should be good with just that

 

checked oil, no water
installed 3 used plug wires from the gtp, along with my 3 good existing ones, used plugs, no filter.

It runs!!! Its blowing water out the exhaust, so I'm sure my muffler is soaked/wet. Will it dry out and be alright? Or am I screwed on a muff and need a new one?

I'm just glad it runs!

Anyone got the summit part number for the msd 10.5mm wire set?

 

Check the condition of your life raft for next time this may occur- Holy crap- talk about a pain in the ***.

The mufffler will be fine concerning function. It may have developed some rust inside I'm certain that will shorten its lifespan, but no hard until it starts falling apart like they all do eventually.

The tailpipe can be 100' under water and it won't hurt the car one bit. cars and trucks back down boatramps all the time and leave the car running for 10+mins often while launch boats into the ocean- the exhaust pipe completely submerged the entire time.

Jay, You want really good plugwires I recommend the Taylor 10.4's. You have to buy a universal kit and make them yourself. I run the firesleeves also over the boots especially for that #3 cylinder and the extensive heat radiating from the EGR.

Summit listing for universal "6" cylinder red wires (they have it mislabled as "8") :
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I'm not sure it's the same thing. See, when a truck is on a ramp like that, the engine is still way above the water, so there's no chance of the water going up the tailpipe towards the engine, because it is uphill. But when the car is level, then it may be another story.

 

if the engine is running, the pulses of the exhaust will keep water out of the exhaust system. if the motor is off, yes, water might get up into other parts of the system.

dale, i hope your car is ok! sounds like it should be.

 

I coulda sworn that the "pulses" also suck water in. Well; I'm still never gonna try it; I'll just keep my foot on the gas and not let up.

 

i've seen been trucks going mud bogging and they'll have their tailpipes under water and they'll leave the engine running if they get stuck and are waiting for someone to come and pull them out. all you see is bubbles on the top of the water where the exhaust is escaping through the water.

edit: yes, water CAN be sucked through the pipes but only under the right circumstances. and, the chances of the water being sucked all the way through the exhaust system all the way up to the motor are not to great.

 

Yes the engine will suck water, if, if you have exhaust leaks near the motor.

The engine does want to suck air back in but the pipe is so long, its doesn't have time to turn around n come back. Why leaky exhaust manifold gaskets burn up your valves.

The motor sucks cold air in and cooks them.


Not really as bad as 4 as on a 2 stroke. Get a manifold leak on a 2stroke and it melts your piston from sucking air. [been there, why most 2 stroke owners goop 100% clear silicone around the manifold to stop it. 2 stroke manifold are held on with springs, not bolts.]


It can happen but not as often with a 4 stroke

N E ways...........


The muffler is fine. It will dry out. I was actually spraying water into my glass pack. I welded everything solid and I got a ping n popping from heat expansion. Drove me nuts. so after a long drive I would spray it down inside and out with cold water to shock it. Took about 10+ times and the ping n pop is now un noticeable.
It started off loud as heck.

 

also cars n truck have the exhaust looped over the axel. so it also stop water from just flooding in and filling the pipe as water don't flow up hill.

 

Actually, look up at rx7speed's last message about his buddy's truck on a boat ramp.

Dale, one other thing; any idea if it could've been salt water (river runoff)? You might wanna hose down the undercarriage.

 

not to change topic here but how is cold air going to cook something?

also how is air being sucked in through the manifold going to melt pistons?


I mean isn't the motor already sucking in air?


and by the way don't know if you had said anything but I am sorry about the gumpy matter
that was a mistype and I didn't even know I did it. so again sorry about that

 

Out of respect for baboons everywhere.

"rx7speed
This person is on your Ignore List. "

 

This is the most rediculous topic I have ever seen progress.

Do you guys have any idea how many boats I am on? Those boats (all sizes, big and small /18' whaler to 86' liveaboards) all have exhausts that are underwater. They are all four strokes. 3/4 of the boats I am on are low rpm diesels. Water does not suck back into the tailpipes- period.

 

Dean's right, guys. The only way to have water get up into the motor, from the exhaust, is to flip your vehicle upside down, completely under water. Especially when the motor is running - the air keeps the water out.

 

A complete exhaust system is not gonna suck water. to much air is coming out for it to even try.

But remove the headers and drop the engine into water up to the valve covers. It will suck water, just like leaking header gaskets do.

Anyone who don't believe it, try it.

Its why you burn up the valves with leaky gaskets, it sucks air.

 

I have a few people on my ignore list, too... keeps me out of trouble with the moderators!

Okay okay, I give in... but I'll remain stubborn in that I won't try it out!