V6 Discussion and questions about the base carbureted or MPFI V6's and the rare SFI Turbo V6.

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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 04:12 PM
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So we went to the dyno....

Not gonna make this suspensful -

222.4 rwhp
291.2 rwtq

approx 15% drivetrain loss

255hp/334tq @ the flywheel.

7 psi.
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 04:17 PM
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Bitchin!!!!!! :hail: Glad to hear that Doward. I think it could be more though, probably that 16g holding you back a bit (what are the boost temps?). Rockon though dude!
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 04:19 PM
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Considering 135/160 stock, yeah I"m happy... or considering I have a 3.1, 140/180 stock.

From 140 to 255 fwhp? I promised 100hp, didn't I??!

And the kit includes a bigger turbo - more power. I will be dynoin' the very first kit to go out - the GP should start next week, if I hear back from my mandrel bender
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Doward
Considering 135/160 stock, yeah I"m happy... or considering I have a 3.1, 140/180 stock.

From 140 to 255 fwhp? I promised 100hp, didn't I??!

And the kit includes a bigger turbo - more power. I will be dynoin' the very first kit to go out - the GP should start next week, if I hear back from my mandrel bender
What trim will the kits include?
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 04:33 PM
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T04e 60 trim... Will have an option for a T61, as well.

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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 05:37 PM
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Will probably have a T70 option, as well
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 06:41 PM
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awesome numbers. Don't forget, tax returns comng up too
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those are good numbers, I'm glad research get's u 100hp!

Now do you have a MAF or SD setup? I noticed in your post in my thread you mentioned a new MAF with the kit? What will you provide for SD people? You also mention chip but will it be compatable with SD cars as well?

These are just questions im tossing out of my head

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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 07:17 PM
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MAF - 2.8 86-89
SD - 3.1 90-92

The electronics won't be ready for the SD system until I finish my own swap, and get the tune down
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by Doward
MAF - 2.8 86-89
SD - 3.1 90-92

The electronics won't be ready for the SD system until I finish my own swap, and get the tune down
I was just curious, I'm gonna be lone wolfing the SD tuning seeing as how you and tech have both built it up from the MAF setup.

Time to get the TGP prom and work with the 2 bar MAP, I bet that will help immensly.
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 08:55 PM
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TGP is DIS
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 10:46 PM
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I just like the torque.
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 11:00 PM
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awesome numbers
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 02:30 AM
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now those are some beautiful numbers....and to think thats a fairly stock engine setup you have there, im definitly impressed. unfortunatly i wont be able to go in on the first GP, when you are ready to play with a 3.4 that has some upgrades let me know ill come down there for ya.

all i can say is wow......thats a lot of power on a 3.1 v8 owners beware, thats only 7psi
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 12:33 PM
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that's awesome! i'm glad to see the numbers! i never doubted it (could be because i know you...) but, that should take care of those who did doubt it.
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 12:40 PM
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i'm very excited about these kits, its finally gonna make the rest of the thirdgen community respect the v6 camaro, especially when we are out walking cars at the track
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 02:13 PM
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Doward, I may consider rebulding my V-6 and buying your turbo kit as opposed to doing the V-8 swap. Excellent work!! Hows your tranny holding up?
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 05:51 PM
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If I am not mistaken, that pretty much identical to the factory #'s the TTA is getting on a 3.8 90*V6?
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 06:13 PM
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Stock V6 T5 WC - Holding up great! It's the clutch that's getting the workout Even with all this torque - Did I mention 287 lbs/ft @ 3000 rpm?
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 06:29 PM
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great numbers hope to get a turbo kit for my 91 3.1. keep up the good work man
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 06:36 PM
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What kind of mods have you done besides the turbo? Those are some impressive numbers, and it'd be pretty cool to hear that your car is running close to stock specs and making that much power with just the turbo. Even more opportunities for improved performance.
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 06:50 PM
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basically all he has other than the turbo is a really, really mild cam. i think that's it. doward, correct me if i'm wrong.
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 07:10 PM
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yup, thats all thats done, an autozone slightly bumpy bumpstick and the slight intake/exhaust mod (read: turbo)
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 09:28 PM
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I realize you have more tuning to do, but have you tried to figure any mpg readings with it?
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 09:52 PM
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Those numbers are so nice, I'm reconsidering buying the kit. Congratulations on the success!
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 11:42 PM
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Yep, very mild cam (basically, a stock 3.4L cam), Stock heads (new valvesprings, not even a valve job!), stock exhaust manifolds, and stock dirty intake. LOL

Yes, more tuning to do.... MPG is still 20+, even with me boosting around town.
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Old Dec 5, 2004 | 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Doward
Yep, very mild cam (basically, a stock 3.4L cam), Stock heads (new valvesprings, not even a valve job!), stock exhaust manifolds, and stock dirty intake. LOL

Yes, more tuning to do.... MPG is still 20+, even with me boosting around town.

Out of curiosity. I know you'll be selling this kit as a whole or will you sell partcial kits? like say just the plumbing and the chip?

It's worth a shot lol.
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If I am not mistaken, that pretty much identical to the factory #'s the TTA is getting on a 3.8 90*V6?
Eh, I believe it's a *tad* shy on the hp, and 25-50 ft-lbs behind on the torque.. but the TTA had .7 extra liters and 8 more pounds of boost.. so.. I really have no way to explain any of this. People have been saying for some time that these 60 degree mills respond well to boost.. but damn. the numbers are scary.
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well hell cram some air down the crappy freaking intake and im sure it will respond well
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Any plans to dyno more boost pressure? Or are you just going to keep it where it is?
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:53 AM
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Not with more boost, no - but I will be trying a little more timing, and get the fuel curve down pat.

Any more psi from this turbo is just hot air - and not worth it. I'll do more power by continueing to tune this combo
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:56 AM
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Oh yeah - the partial kits ARE a *possibility*. MAYBE. It'll be after the GP though!
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Oh yeah - the partial kits ARE a *possibility*. MAYBE. It'll be after the GP though!
cool beans.
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Not with more boost, no - but I will be trying a little more timing, and get the fuel curve down pat.

Any more psi from this turbo is just hot air - and not worth it. I'll do more power by continueing to tune this combo
So the one installed on your car is too small for extra boost. Did you do that on purpose to achieve a certain performance? Any plans to up the turbo size (like to the one you specified for the kit)?
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:17 AM
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I did that because it was all I had. WAS a 14b, I got the 16g wheel + housing for $50 LOL
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:31 AM
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Right, right, right. Now I remember the turbo chronicles and the stingy budget that you and Tech managed to build your turbos on. So hopefully when your first customer(s) get the kit with the larger turbo installed, we'll get some dyno numbers from larger boost pressures.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:57 AM
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I FULLY expect OVER 230+ rwhp with the bigger turbos, simply because it's more efficient - the more boost will be even MORE power, though
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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Stock exhaust manifolds?? Holy ****! I cant wait to see the numbers with some headers bolted up!
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 04:47 PM
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Neither can I man.... neither can I... Hoping that helps spool a little better - and between headers + intake -- OMG TOP END PULL.
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now to be the resident A-hole... since junkie brought up the chronicles, if you all read back... who dare mock the PVC now! lol i love you guys... cept for kyle, whom i will be killing.. but all i have is this nerf bat so it's gonna take a while.


seriously tho, you blokes ain't too bad for some bow-ties... (and no, im not a ford guy, im a Mustang guy. so, ill be the first to admit, Dizzle has finally taken down the my precious stang in numbers. Im only 210.8 HP and 272.4 TQ at the wheels... AND im 3800 lbs with the vert. add that and the area under a curve and me thinks he's got me.. with traction that is. I helped build the turbo, that counts as part my car right

D knows it tho... soon to come, 331 ways to spank a turbomaro, and THEN add a big thumper hairdryer on top.. 900 HP never looked so beautimous... lol

Thanx again to all who supported us you guyz rock!
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who dare mock the PVC now! lol
lol!
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soon to come, 331 ways to spank a turbomaro, and THEN add a big thumper hairdryer on top..
Sweet!
I'm thinking about doing the same to my Cougar!

:hail: turbo 331.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 08:28 PM
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Yeah, but V, don't forget - Laura's getting a 331 in the '74 Maverick.... Keep it up, and she'll have a T88 in there to take you down
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yeah, and on a personal note, laura cant drive stick
luvs ya!


and always goes back to the old addage.. 74 green maverick, or 95 mustang GT vert cherry red with white leather same power , who's the ladies gonna flock to?
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yeah, and on a personal note, laura cant drive stick
luvs ya!


and always goes back to the old addage.. 74 green maverick, or 95 mustang GT vert cherry red with white leather same power , who's the ladies gonna flock to?
the guy in the turbo'd camaro sitting down the street
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yeah, and on a personal note, laura cant drive stick
luvs ya!


and always goes back to the old addage.. 74 green maverick, or 95 mustang GT vert cherry red with white leather same power , who's the ladies gonna flock to?
The college football player guy even farther down the street in the green ram....muahahahahaha!!!!
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note to self...get job, save money, swap 3.1 to 3.4, buy kit...final note...leave rubber on the pavement
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 11:54 PM
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Hell, I can attest - you don't need to swap 3.1 to a 3.4 to do that!!
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yeah...but i figure those .3 more liters will respond to boost just as well...and why not start with a higher horse and torque...all it means is more fun
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