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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 05:13 PM
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From: Moapa Valley
Car: 1989 Pontiac Firebird, 6 cyl, auto
Engine: 2.8 L V6
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Power chip

I am new to the site guys, this is my #1 post, pics on the way though right now my bird isn't "special" yet. My question is this, the previous owner of my car did some cool things to it, and one of those things was he put a power chip in it. I am not fully competent as to what it does, because I haven't studied it yet, but one of the conditions of having the chip in is that I am supposed to run "premium only" gasoline otherwise worldwar 3 or something will happen to my engine. I am wondering.....is this right? Wrong? I would like some feedback.......thanks y'all!

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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 07:02 PM
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Basically yes,You must run premium gas otherwise your engine will knock and ****.It advances ignition timing and modifies your fuel flow and spark.Some chips also modify your shift points.They say chips are the biggest bang for the buck.
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Old Jan 17, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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originally posted by Benm109
No, not really. There is a lot of debate about whether or not those PROMs or chips really add HP or not (it doesn't matter the brand, Hypertech, Jet, Motorvation, etc.), but the general consensus on these boards is that they are worthless. I have to agree, because I own a Hypertech chip for my car, and it did nothing, absolutely nothing, it just sits in my toolbox now.

Now, there is power to be gaining by burning custom PROMs, but not with those generic chips. Just check the DIY PROM board, and read the stickies at the top of the page. It only cost about $150 to get the equipment you need to burn your own PROMs (not including a laptop).
I have a Jet stage 2 chip in my car, only because the stock chip was messed up. All the jet chip does is advance the timing and it only does that at WOT.
I use regular gas (87 octane) and have not had any problems. But my engine only has 2000 miles on it after rebuild.
If you have problems with knocking with regular, go to the next higher grade gas until it stops. Minimum of 3 tank fulls to see any change.
I'm going to buy the equipment to burn my own this spring.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 07:38 PM
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Car: 1989 Pontiac Firebird, 6 cyl, auto
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Hypertech chip

started checkin things out, turns out I have the hypertech chip, I never got to drive my car before it was installed, so I don't kow the difference. Thanks for ur comments guys
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 07:17 AM
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Car: '99 Trans Am, '86 Camaro
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Axle/Gears: 3.42 Stock ZT, 3.42 Open
Originally posted by V8 Slayer
It advances ignition timing and modifies your fuel flow and spark.Some chips also modify your shift points.They say chips are the biggest bang for the buck.
"they" aren't TGO members. Those of us that have been around TGO long enough to figure this out tend to frown upon hypertech, jet, etc.. Chips are something that should be custom made for each engine, becuase every engine is different. There's no way to mass produce a chip and have it be even remotely right for everyone.

Also, our cars don't have any sort of electronic transmission controls other than TCC lockup, so don't expect any shift point changes

The best solution is definitely DIY.. hopefully it'll be a realistic option for all V6ers soon
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by TechSmurf
"they" aren't TGO members. Those of us that have been around TGO long enough to figure this out tend to frown upon hypertech, jet, etc.. Chips are something that should be custom made for each engine, becuase every engine is different. There's no way to mass produce a chip and have it be even remotely right for everyone.

Also, our cars don't have any sort of electronic transmission controls other than TCC lockup, so don't expect any shift point changes

The best solution is definitely DIY.. hopefully it'll be a realistic option for all V6ers soon
Already is for us MAF guys. I've been working with TunerCat, and we've got almost the ENTIRE '302 unlocked!

I'm talking all the way down to MAF and LV8 scalars
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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I agree with TechSmurf; I followed GlennL98's advice and removed my ADS SuperChip to put my original GM chip back in- and the car felt no different. So I stayed with the GM chip. Unfortunately you might be stuck with that chip unless you can find your exact GM chip in a junkyard...
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Doward
Already is for us MAF guys. I've been working with TunerCat, and we've got almost the ENTIRE '302 unlocked!

I'm talking all the way down to MAF and LV8 scalars
Pity you didn't work with the DIYers instead... I'm not paying 100 bucks when a DIY community exists that is capable of figuring it out.

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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 04:28 PM
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Car: 2000 Trans Am WS6 (Black)
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I got the chip when I got my car... lol I thought that our tranny shift points could be changed... oh well.. so I guess all it does is advance timing...

one thing I don't understand is how you can run the car without the original chip... because the way mine works is you put this hypertech chip in, then the original chip fits into a slot on the hyper... so it just alters the original values, I guess...
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 06:03 PM
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My fastchip replaces my stock chip in my 91. I paid 40.00 for it so i got a good deal i do like it got rid of my top speed limiter
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 10:40 AM
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neat, you had a speed limiter? did it just kill the gas or what?

my chip was like $100... first thing I got for my car!

thought it would do something... now my car pings so I'm not gonna put it in anyways...
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by ScrapMaker
I got the chip when I got my car... lol I thought that our tranny shift points could be changed... oh well.. so I guess all it does is advance timing...

one thing I don't understand is how you can run the car without the original chip... because the way mine works is you put this hypertech chip in, then the original chip fits into a slot on the hyper... so it just alters the original values, I guess...
The ECM Smokin_89_Bird's car uses has an individual EPROM, the knock filter is external and the NETRES (limp mode) stuff is on another device. So the EPROM can be R&R'd without disturbing the other stuff.

Your '90 ECM has the EPROM, knock filter, and NETRES all on the same device, a MEMCAL. To easily change the EPROM an adaptor board is suppied which allows the knock filter and NETRES to continue to be used. While cutting off the original EPROM and having the ECM read the new EPROM.

One of the stickys on the DFI & ECM board has a pic that shows the various parts used in the different ECMs.

RBob.
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