Was it a significant amount more of its true? Arent Camaros heavier?

 

I would think both cars would be about the same weight

 

When will people learn vehicle weight has NO effect on HP.

Besides, the 3.1s are supposed to have more power compared to what? a Geo 3 cyl? yeah, a SBC? Depends......

 

Yes. exactly what are you comparing it to? and wieght of car ahs nothing to do with power output of car...

 

A camaro 3.1 will make SAME power as your 3.1 bird.


As for weight
I do recall each car side by side with same options, I "think" the bird was heavier. However, a low option bird could weight less then a full option camaro.

The bird had better aero dynamics

 

And the Camaro's have better downforce for high speed stability and cornering

On AVERAGE, the camaros are a few hundred pounds lighter than the Pontiac's. The pontiacs have nuch more luxury weight on them with things like headlamp motors, power everything interiors, and just generally more options. It was Potiacs top line performance car, yet only Chevrolets midline performance car. CHev didn't load them with all the extra crap because they we more budget minded cars- so yes, the Camaro's in general are lighter by about 100-200 pounds.

 

As long as we're on the subject, do Camaro/bird 3.1's have more power than the ones used in the barretta's? Or other cars with same engine displacement?



Thanks,
Max

 

id be interested in knowing that. was there any difference in tuning or were they all the same?

 

Your wrong in a way. A lower HP car can be faster because it has a better power to weight ratio. Example rustangs

Combin a good power to weight ratio with a good weight transfer ratio 49/51 and less HP is equals to greater HP in a way. All the HP in the world is useless unless you can transfer it to the ground right.

I read in hotrod once that every 5lb lbs lost is like 2hp.
But don't grip at me about it, talk to them.
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Wouldn't a base camaro and a base bird should be darn equal.
Only difference was the bird had a higher sticker price.
Both came with diddle squat.

 

Headlights up or down hehehehe

I can see that. the cut out headlights grab some air for downforce.

 

Depends on what years. The gen2 and gen3 FWD heads flow better then our cast iron gen1s. So they did tend to make a few more ponies.

 

What year berettas were gen 2 and 3?

 

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The weight of the vehicle will have NO effect on measured horse power at the drive wheels. If it did then any time we sat in our cars they would lose HP, get more people in there and have very little.

HP to weight is entirely different than what I was talking about.

And to make even yoru statement true you would also have to take into account traction. ALL esle being equal the car with the higher power to weight ratio will ALSO be faster/quicker.

Anyway...

Berrettas were equipped with genII and genIII 660s

'88 to '89 genII 2.8 rated at 130HP
'90 to '93 genII 3.1 rated at 140HP
'94 to '97 (?) genIII 3100 rated at 155HP

 

yea um.......no the weight of the car will not affect the HP it will affect the accleration and speed and such, but just becuase i'm fat doesn't mean your 3.1 engine makes more power than mine the post above me is true..............common sense, how would the weight of a car change its HP, it can't what it does change is its ABILITIES

 

i have a 98 lumina 3.1 thats got like 170. thats according to some consumer reports test drive thing, it might be what its rated from the factory. dont really know.

 

That would be a genIII 660, AKA 3100, and it should be about 160 to 165 HP. The 2000+ 3100 was rated at 170 HP, and yes there was a change.

 

Yes, the 98 Lumina is 3100 SFI, no 3.1 MPFI (it's not the same).

On the year 2000 were incremented intake valves and intake plenum runners. I think that HPs moved from 170 to 175 with this improve in the 60º V6 FWD engines (or it was from 165 to 170 HPs?).

 

Correct me if Im wrong, but the Maro's did make maybe a couple ponies more because of the design of the intake. Some of the V6 maros had the dual snorkel intake, right?

 

Nope, intakes were the same between Camaro and Firebird, same exact engines.

 

No they weren't, Wizman is correct.

The intake manifolds were the same but the air induction intake were in fact different. The Camaros have the dual snorkel TPI style intakes and the Firebirds have the notoriously restricted side routed air intake. However, it really is yet to be proven that the Firebird induction intake routing was restrictive on the little V6's that need half the airflow of the larger displacement V8 Firebirds. The V8's did have a power gain when the strock air intake routing to the TB was altered with a better aftermarket setup.

 

Oh you guys are talking the plastic tubing before the TB (and MAF)?

When someone sayd "Intake" to me, I think of the part that is between the TB and the heads, the Intake manifold, not the plastic tubing.

 

Well Raven, I tend to agree when I here the word intake I think of the manifold also, but Wizman clearly stated in his quote about the *dual snorkel* so it was obvious what he was refering to.

 

Just to clarify "Dual snorkle" means NOTHING to me, I'm not a 3rd gen guy, I own a truck. So to me it was not obvious at all. I'm sure there are members of this board that also are unfamiliar with the term.

 

The V6s came with the TPI style air intakes? Since when?

My bro had a 92 3.1 and it was side routed.

 

the 2.8 had the dual snorkel, not sure what year, but thats where i got my current snorkel, out of a 2.8

 

That's a factory dual snorkel air induction that came OEM on my '87 2.8 V6.

 

Must have been a 2.8 thing.. and also, that isn't a dual snorkel intake. The dual snorkel was found on L69 305 High Output cars, that intake is a TPI style.

Here's a dual snorkel:



A minor note, but a pet peeve

it's interesting that your cars came with those intakes, I wonder exactly what years and what engine combos came with those..

 

phsssssh, I guess I'm one of the few (many actually?) that cain diferenciate the duall snorkel between carb & fi. ok, late & going to bed now.

fwiw, the MIGHTY 305 is in now. :/

 

Its stillknown as a Dual Snorkel TPi because the Firebird also have TPI intake manifolds but do not use a dual snorkel induction due to hood clearance issues. There is a difference in TPI induction systems and this one is also a dual snorkel

Yours is the dual snorkel air cleaner system,

Mine is the dual snorkel TPI system. Because there is a single induction tpi system also.

 

Where exactly is the filter in that set-up?

 

at the end its under the plastic

 

Air flow in front of the car comes through the front grills on both side of the license plate area and the aircleaners sit up under the dual snorkels (Marked by yellow dotted boxes). They are square shaped and fit inside the assembly when the top Y-induction unit is pulled up

 

Here, I ran back out and unhooked it so you can see the filters and the openness under them ( I modifed the underneath so it is wide open and draws air forced through the grill.)

 

Cool, it just looked open at the front in the first pic. Thanks.