whatsup guys,
i own an 87 camaro with a 2.8 v6 and a 5-speed.
anything i can do to get it running faster?
not saying a turbo or nitrous, just little things till i have the money to do my V8 swap.

thanks.

 

cam, better air intake, better exhaust, better fuel injectors, better tb, etc.

 

if you're gonna do an 8 swap, why even worry about modding out your 2.8? save the money for the final goal. now if a new exhaust is in order, by all means, spend the little extra for a dynomax or flowmaster. but, i think the cost of making the 2.8 or 3.1 any faster would be useless if you're gonna get the 8.

 

i totally agree. but then again, why get the V-8, when you can bore your 2.8 .060 over, cam it, port and polish, all that good stuff, twin turbo or supercharge it... and do just as good as a v-8 ?

 

add headers, high flow cat and catback

 

I'll jump out on a limb.

Which v8 do you plan on going too?
Find out what parts that v8 has in commen with your v6, start there.

You also have the best intake you can put on the car. Just remove the deflectors.

Other then that, keep it in tune and slowly buy your v8 parts. And/or work on the suspension to handle the v8 power you plan to put down.

 

yeah the suspension I would start on now. because you could always take her down to an autox and show up the eight guys right now. and yes, you could turbo and/or supercharge the car, but then you'll only be running what a stock 350 would be running. if you take the 3 grand for a turbo and use it for an eight, you can build up an impressive engine and the transmission to operate it.

 

Aggp18,

Care to show me proof that any ol 60*v6 3rdgen can take out a V8 3rd gen? Better get your facts straight- thats misleading info.

And to the moderator that erased my first message- Gee was this any better and worthy of staying? My last mesaage was clean and factual to the point-or maybe your bias didn't see it that way.

 

Work on your chassis and keeping your car in shape, things like subframes, springs, etc that will stay when you do the swap. A quality fuel pump if you are staying efi and currently efi. Possibly a rear axle swap for one with posi and disc brakes. Just stick to things that will be able to be retained.


If you arent the biggest proponent of all the " you can smoke any V8 thirdgen with a V6" around here...... and before you say it, no im not saying you've pushed that necessarily, but your mouthing off about how special you and your wifes car are is what leads most of the kids around here into hopeful autox racecar mode since they will be able to manhandle the V8 guys....

 

But you are not going to do that with any ol V6 3rdgen. Why is everyone taking this as an attitude? Its the honest truth.

 

Thats exactly my point, what you've done with your car, through extensive modification, well beyond what 99% of these guys are capable, has turned into every one of them with some over inflated hopes of building some super porsche ripping corner carver and their basis for defending using a V6. And most of them are just wasting their time, though I suppose a lot of them wouldnt go much further in the V8 world.

 

Well then we are in agreeance. Thats exactly my point also. Don't go out buying a V6 3rdgen and doing a few modifications to it and expect it to dominate.

 

In autocross, its just as much the driver as it is the car.

A crappy driver cant kick butt in the best built car.
A crappy car cant kick butt with the best driver.

Dean has done alot of work on the car, he also has alot of seat time in his car, as well as many other cars on the autox track.

 

i would even venture so far as to say that in most cases the driver makes a bigger difference than the car (unless you count race tires maybe).

 

Most amature ranks- such as autoX racing- most often the drivers experience will play a major role in a fastlap time.

When you get into the upper levels though, I would dare to give a percentage of 75% of the drivers are all equally qualified behind the wheel of the same car and it boils down to the best car. You'd be amazed though how many guys running NASCAR are just dynasty names and actually do not have talent, just lots of money and name reconition. The guys winning in endurance racing all comes down to stamina. Driving such a car as a NASCAR boils down to 90% fatigue rate behind the wheel. The g-forces beat the living crapout of your head lap after lap and fatigue sets in, then driver error as a result of that fatigue. Anyone can go fast for a few laps, but try being fast for 50 never the less 200 laps. I was actually the first non-employee of Irwindale Raceway to drive a latemodel Nascar on the track for 50 laps with Rick Mears son Clint (use to be a friend of mine, lost contact with him for a few years now) I drove on the track when it was brand new and there had never been a race ran on it yet (so no rubber layed down on the asphalt for better traction) I ran 20.3's back in May of 1999 and the pros in Latemodels equvilant to what I was running are at best running 18.8's now. Late 1999 the pros were only running at best 19.7's and the back of the pack was in the 21's. Not bad for someone who didn't fit in the damn car correctly and no prior experience in that car. Just jumped in and drove.
But 50 laps on a half mile oval about killed me with fatigue, you start getting nausiated and seasick. 2 months later, one of the mechanics put the very car I was driving into the wall during testing and killed himself running the same speeds I was.

I have had the fortune of growing up around alot of people in the business and have always been surrounded by it.unfortunately though, too many people with more money than I awill to sppend it proving themselves to get picked up by the big leagues. I never had that kind of disposable cash and noone is going to give you a ride without you earning it yourself with your own hard cash and a few years of actual racing serries experience for more costly and competitive than AutoX.

Speaking of which, tomorrow I will be spending most of the day with Dave McClelland of Hot Rod TV. I am assistant promoter and event director of Thunderfest carshow and racecar exhibit in Covina Calif. I am also the head judge for the event. Dave comes out every year and hosts the show for us and announces the judging event. Its my 8th year involved with the show, and his 10th. We get aprox 20,000 spectators.

 

Also, What makes me fast?

My ability not only to drive well in any senerio (that means making the car and tires last the duration of the required race) but my ability to be a driving engineer. What that means is not only can I go out and press a car to its potential limit, I can then bring it in and climb under it and make my own changes to the suspension settings to my driving style and comfort zone and then go back out there and run faster times in the same car now tweaked to its max potential.

In other words, I can adjust a bad car to be good. 98% of drivers have no clue on how to do a chassis setup, they rely on shops or crewcheifs for that benefit.

You'd be amazed how I could take two identical cars with identiacal parts on both cars and make them feel like two totally different cars just on how I adjust the perameters.

I help out on these boards with my knowledge and have posted vast articles on helping others learn what why and how sdjustable suspension parts benefit your setup. I have probably posted info on every topic 10 times and some maybe 100's.But when it boils down to your individual car, I would have to drive it in person to feel what it is doing. Every car is different based on levels of chassis metal fatigue and numerous other variables.

 

opps

 

I have the only car to yet ever show proof of being able to teeter-totter lifting wheels off the ground with one rear wheel backed onto a curb. Now thats a stiff suspension. And this is what its going to take to handle very well. The ride quality over bumps is going to depend on how much money you have and are willing to dish out on very expensive lightweight suspension parts to lower your unsprung weight. This car has a very high sprung to unsprung weight ratio especially for having a lighter *srpung weight* V6 motor. Higher is better for handling and ride quality.

If you are ever planning on selling your V6 camaro in the future for a "quote/ unquote" better sportscar, then do not waste a dime on your current car. Cars are a money pit and the worst investment you can possibly make in your lifetime. Doing any modifications costs to a car should render you the mindset of keeping the car "forvever" intentions- the day you may have to sell it is the day you wasted alot of hard earned money. So only modify a car you plan on never selling.

 

I leave the boards for one day and look what happens. Unfortunately I guess doesn't convey sarcasm. So please, before you go off and start running your mouth, perhaps you could get YOUR facts straight first.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aggp18
you could always take her down to an autox and show up the eight guys right now. [QUOTE]





Doesn't look like sarcasm to me, looks like a direct fact you posted.

Problem here is- you shot your mouth off and got called to the table- and you didn't like it.

 

What happened to my post last night??
Not allowed to say anything funny anymore?

 

Yep, thats what provoked me again. Ken, no doing anything tomorrow then come check out Thunderfest. I'll even introduce you to Mary and Captain Bob (boob) of "Girls next door" Fame. They are acquintances of ours and should be bringing a few Playmates to sign Autographs. She didn't make it last year, but promised she would have them back this year.

 

read into it as you will, I usually don't use faces when I'm trying to be serious. As you will plainly see from my previous post, I openly admitted that a swap would be superiour to our V6.

 

I say leave your car stock until you can do the swap. No used in buying parts that you won't be using after you do your swap.... Just wasting your money.

 

dean, you need to learn to keep the attitude in check PERIOD.
I do not care who started it, who responded or any of that... YOU (yes YOU) need to learn to not respond and drop crap. Man... just how many names have you gotten banned? that should give you a clue as to who needs to change.
You CAN be helpful at times, but most the time.. your not.

DO not respond to the above, it is something for you to mull over.

Now, to the actual POSTER that was asking questions before the **** fest began...

I have a few questions...
Are you dead set on doing a V8 swap?
If so, do not even bother getting anything but suspension parts.

If you are not, there are many options out there. Yes these cars can and will beat a V8. Just certain ones, depending on how far you go with things.

If you are not dead set on a V8, look into the threads and on other boards about frankenstien engines, where they have a various 60* engine parts from various years of 60* cars.

A 3.4 with a turbo CAN hang with a mild LS1, seen it, read it, got the t shirt. A 1994/5 firechicken put down 33X/34X with a T4? something/T4 turbo with front mount. Do the searching, it was a while back, but it was a green chicken. Guy also posted up on a webpage just about everything he did too.
(I do not need comments about this paragraph, so just stuff it up the anus)

Anyway, the POSTER needs to ask him/herself some questions and think some things through.

 

V6sucker, are you talking about Tiago? his is a 94 bird. that car is bada$$. www.force-fed-fabrications.com his goal is to get it to 400hp to the rear wheels w/ a stock bottom end. he runs mid 13's at about 7psi of boost or so.

 

holy hell those are some impressive numbers out of that 3.4. And the LS1 is unreal. Makes me want a WS6 even more, that or an SS. Thanks for the video link!

 

V6 Sucker, CHC, what ever that f*ck your name is now you $50 stealing bastard..

Go Fu<k yourself.

 

Dean, you really need to grow up.
This has also been reported, and for good reason.
It clearly states in the forum rules, do not be abusive to other members.

They need to get your IP and or MAC and ban it perminately.

You have alot of growing up to do, and to be honest, these (and other) forums would be much better without you, and people like you.

 

Yes I was talking about Tiago's SERIOUS firechicken...

 

If Dean weren't using AOL, he'd have ceased to be a thorn in this community's side long ago... but I'd still love to hear about this $50...

oh.. and ... again.