Those of you looking to get better gas millage yell at ford, during the early years of automobile manufacturing, poag designed a carburetor that got 50 mpg. However, thanks to ford who bought the patten and it has not been heard of since.

Now alot of you think yeah right, prove it. Well, i had a friend in Rhode island that had a copy of the like 1912 pattens and the diagrams and explanation of it were right in there. however, the 1913 pattens it was gone, when ford bought it and had somebody hid it.

So my point is you want better gas millage, it make me wonder, if the technology for good gas millage was available with out earliest cars with full v8s then why are we only able to make 30 on a good day in an import. My 1960 galaxy with a 351 turn 30, why are we suddenly only back to 30. if somebody can figure this out let me know.

 

I didn't know there was anyone left that still believed that crap.

 

haha they already busted this one on mythbusters.

 

well i would love to belive that they busted it, however if it wasent for the fact that my buddy in RI built one acording to the dirgrams in the patten and he now get about 45mpg on a dodge 360

but hey belive what you want

 

Really? Was it this one?



Or this one?



Or maybe even this one?



Those would look really cool on top of a Dodge 360. Too bad it wouldn't run on modern gasoline, though.

 

nope he had an older patton copy for like 1912 13 that era, and it looks like a normal carb , except for at the base of the carbertor before the gas entered the intake there is series of like 10 plates of diffrent design

 

Show us a photograph then of his magical carburetor that bends the laws of thermodynamics.

 

The legands of the "magic" carbarator hads been floating around since the sixtys at least (that is the feeling i have goten talking to old timers). Magasines always have products that promise better gas milage through snake oils and stuff you splice into your fuel lines, intake or add to your carborator.

I remeber my old 63 chevy impala with a 283 and powerglide. That would get 20 mpg just about all the time unless i had to do a lot of city driving. My parents owned the car and on a road trip down to Callifornia they documents a soild 30mpg both ways, that is a big trip consitering that i live in Canada. This is on a car with a powerglide and the origanal motor. the only other car I have owned that could produce numbers like that has been my camaro with year old factory rebuild when I bought it and My old Honda CRX.

Now lets look at history and over the last 100 years. Back in early part of this centuray There was a lot of companys producing cars. Many of the car producesres where buying parts of other manufatours. Many of these part manufatours where bought up by the car manuatours. Parts where bought and sold between car companys too. So yes I belive that Mabie some where there could of been a desine shoved away into the fileing cabenit of the big three at one point in hisotry that could of produced. Posable and likely. I know if I can a company I would rather be making money on my pattants and not paying for other peoples.

The other this is lest just say when you 60 galaxy came out the same year the lets say the Fairlane came out with the "Magic" Motor that could give the same proformice and twice the mileage. This was a new motor and was only abalable in Fairlane. There is a lot of what if's her so excuse me for that. But what if the FairLane was a brand new fresh desight and it had to be excusively designed around the "Magic" motor. That is defiatly not out of the question look at any of the defrent motor tecnolagys that exist. People would be rushing out and buying Fairlanes. Good for ford becase they are selling lots of fairlanes and bad for ford because they are not selling Galiaxys. I can see why ford would be hesitant to Use the Magic Motor, Look at fuel cells and Hybrid cars, they have to design the cars around the motors, Same with rotorys and just about any new engene design that comes around. There has been a lot of companys Throuh the years that have had better tecnolagy that could of revolutionised the indastry but didn't. the one the comes to mind is a company mentioned a few years back in hot rod when they had a serise called 12 seconds and 20mpg where they looked for cars that could do both. They had this little honda civic bilt by a comany that marketed what they called Soft Head porting they they tryed to sell to the OEM's and where shot down for that reason.

That can exspain Why things have not goten better now to why they have goten worse. Two reasons and One much more important then the other. The Unimportant one is safety. Cars are heavery now then ever before, with all that safety stuff and comofort. Sure you need more power to move more waight and more power is more gas. All and all I realy down't thing the extra 500 pounds the 04 gto has over the 64 gto realy makes much of a diffrence when you come down to it.

The big problem the atempts to control emishions that started in the late sixtys with air pumps, lower compeshions and emishion control devices. They started saping power and creating slower cars. The motors started to change and people where swaping out the heads from earlyer motors because they profomed much better then the stuff from the sevendys. The fact is that to this day I still hear from people who want Camal Hump Heads for profomince when the Vortec is easly a better head and can be had a lot easyer (And In better shape). Cars got worse Much worse over the sevendys and in the eightys and got worse when leaded gas was taken away from us. Now we had to detune the old cars to make them run. They started to bring in fuel injection and other tecnolagys that could actualy give a resonable mileage and good profomince. just look at the difrence between the Second gen Turbo TA's and the Third Gen Turbo TA's Two compleatly difrnet cars, Two Compleatly difrent motors One sucked and is colected for curio value becase it got 16mpg on a good day and ran 16's when brand new and with a tail wind. the other is colected and desired becase it's one of the fastest firebirds ever.

Sure I have said alot here but my point is simple, Sure we are still only at 30 mpg but Look at how much cleaner the new cars run. There are a hund full of cars on the market today that in hevely poluted areas the air coming out of the exost is cleaner then the air going in the intake. The thougth i have aways had it two. I don't know if i am right but I tossed my pennys in the hat

 

I actually saw a tire that wouldn't go flat when punctured on the Beyond2000 TV show about 20yrs ago, and are just now going on cars. I've heard that story about the "magical carb", and can't believe it for one big reason. -
Today's cars have multiple oxygen sensors on board that coincide with injectors that both monitor and atomize the fuel to the ever so desired 14.7 air to fuel ratio. The V8's still don't get 50mpg.
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As far as the "magical additives" some of them I will believe because I have experienced some of them. By going a step further than just monitoring/compensating air to fuel ratios, gasoline can be altered to help aid more complete combustion. Acetone goes in my tanks when I fill and have seen an aprox 15% increase in mileage (google it if you don't believe). I've also heard zylene increases octane (unconfirmed).

 

LOL @ 50-mpg carb from the 1912's...

Sure, a concept known as capitalism...

 

Because we also have federal emissions regulations.

I can make any carb'd car get 40+ mpg, but the A/F ratio would be so lean that it would run like crap, risk engine damage, and the emissions would be through the freaking roof.

 

Those magical additives are octane boosters and ethyl alcohal. All it does is clean your injectors. It also allows you to buy 84 Octane and not have to worry about buying 'cheap' gas (as it really isn't).

 

its too bad we dont have a moderator anymore to lock and delete this kind of stupid stuff that has nothing to do w/ an f-body, let alone v6.

 

I agree, this kind of stuff should be in an "Off Topic" board, that isn't here on TGO.

 

we havent had a moderator in probably a year or so since doward disappeared. there have been a lot of posts that previous mods would have locked and deleted a long time ago, lol.

 

In an effort to end this http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

If you dont want to read this it just goes on about how no such carboator realy existed even tough people made clames otherwise. Poag was a definat black box item becase nobody ever got to see it work.

 

I miss Doward. :'(

 

does anyone know what happened to him? he just vanished. alien abduction? govt consipracy?