Lets hear about you beating V-8 dogs

 

I haven't been on here in quite a while... I've beat several v8s with my v6 camaro!

 

i hear we can beat 305 TBI autos, i have beat a '89 1500 350 auto

 

ive beat a 1995 f150 5.0 with headers and msd. Both cars had straight pipes that nite down the main drag in a lil town. Man that was loud

 

I doubt that you will from a stop, but from a roll its possible. The 305 has alot of torque on even the 3.1. 3.4 swap might be closer. I know my 3.4/3500 top-end swap in my S10 Blazer will turn it on and MOVE.

 

20mph roll

 

From a dead stop the V6 is usually faster then the TBI cars because of the gearing. From 45mph on up the V8 will have the edge. Nitrous does wonders for the V6.

 

i agree Drew the v8's arnt that great from a stand still, from what ive driven and seen they either bog down a little untill they get rolling/revs for torque to kickass or they spin up too much and just dont go anywhere, the v6 is alot easier to get going, would strugle in the mid part but once its screaming, byebye v8
;-)

 

A 16.9sec 1/4 mile time isnt gonna beat many v8's if any. from a 40mph roll i lost to my friends 4 door Pontiac G6 LOL true story.

 

here in the UK i know someone with an old 2.5v6 vauxhall (GM) cavalier that regulary beats there freinds 5.0 ho stang. i think these engines are a little underated and deserve a bit more respect...

 

Most stock 2.8/3.1 fbodies are lucky to run 16.5 - 17.0. Meanwhile pretty much any 86-93 Mustang 5.0 is a mid-14 - mid-15 second car. A convertible might be high 15's with an auto. Also all Mustang 5.0's are HO cars with full GT style suspension. Not saying it didn't happen, but it's the exception not the rule. The 2.8/3.1 deserves respect for being a good, solid, engine with decent around town power and decent mileage, etc... It's not some crazy fast underated race car engine.

 

it will be......... LOL
eyeing up some M3 (6cyl has 6 throttles) or 2 triumph 3cyl throttle bodies now ;-)

 

it all depends on what motor too. the 350 will have trouble with traction. but i have a 305 and when the peddle hits the flood shes gone. shes got an exhaust and is throwing 260 TQ but the gears in the autos were pretty low so they keep them from spinning too much if any.

 

LOL.

My 89k mile 3.1 ran a 17 flat at 74.x MPH, and the only time I ever won a race was against a Dodge 1500 with a 318. Never got it to the track with the turbo, but it was much faster than my in-law's '85 305TBI Camaro.

Fastest N/A Cavilier I know of is Dave's z24 powered by a 291whp 3500 (posts sometimes as purple82ta here on TGO). He runs 13.7, and is an exception to the rule. N/A Cavi's aren't very fast unless it has a Gen3 60* in it.

 

<<<<< interested you got any pics of the motor. id like to see then engine with a turbo. what size is it and what psi are you running.

 

Lots of pics, lol.

Here's the turbo on the car...



And here's the kit modified for another member here who bought it from me (he provided headers vs. me using stock manifolds)...

 

Actually now that I think about it, the in-law's RS has a quadrajet.

 

very nice im loving it. looks like you guys have it luckey when it comes to setting one up. us 305 and 350 guys have to shove a turbo somewhere where there is room. its a pain in the keester

 

You have more room than the last turbo kit I made/installed ...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...html?highlight=

There wasn't room to fart in the Corssica. The battery had to move to the trunk, and the washer fluid tank was 86'd as well.

 

well for the one im getting it will be harder lol. one would be easy. but two . its going to be a long install for me when i get the things together.

 

Just do what I did my turbo on my 3.8 just sits on top of the engine. Yeah it's a 165hp dog but it can still give any of the early 305's a good hard run unless it throws a rod through the block. Not sure if it can beat a TPI car but it can run with crossfires and TBI's easily. Sometimes it can beat them sometimes not.

 

Did you ever dyno the 3.1 with the turbo? How many psi did you get off the stock motor?

 

I feel you on that, Im boosting my v6 to be able to compete with all the turbo tuners in my area and still be able to afford the gas.

 

I respect the hell out of any v6 boosted f-body because not only is it a pain to do, but they're sleepers in a major way, and still get the gas mileage. I've been looking for AGES to find a turbo or supercharger for my '02 3.8 but they just don't exist. So now, chances are I'll end up trading for an LS1 or dropping an LT1 in.

 

It was nearly mission impossible to boost the 3.1l, thanks to BBS designs designing a turbo manifold. I installed a crane cam, a disk brake posi rear swap out of a 88 TA, and Im going to port and polished the heads. Im hoping after 15 psi boost and a centerforce, my lil v6 can do what my lt1 can do. I may have to explore NOS. I don't believe the 3.1l is completely hopeless against a v8, but if the v8 had anything done to it, the v6 will have to ask for the check.

 

Sounds like a pretty nice setup for the 3.1, I'd like to see the look on people's face as you hang with their v8's lol.

 

Im looking forward to it myself, Im looking into every way to get hp out of it. We have the e3 spark plugs, MSD ignition box & coil, 3 rivers aluminum driveshaft from a LS1, Jet chip and underdrive pulleys. As soon as BBS finishes the manifold we will put in the heavier fuel injectors, the FMU, and the MSD high pressure fuel pump. We cut the spings to make the car 3 inches off the ground, My main goal is to drift the car. At Moroso in jupiter fl we do alot of drifting and there are nothing but imports. Im behind on the updates, but Im getting alot of pics and putting them on cardomain.com, search for excellegions.

 

do you have an pics of your setup? im really curious how it looks

 

I dont have a pic of the turbo set up yet, BBS Designs hasn't shipped it to me yet, but to give you an idea; using the stock manifold on the drivers side, the exhaust goes down and under the oil pan just like stock but instead of joining into a y pipe, the exhaust comes up into the "E" manifold that bbs makes, it's called "E" manifold because its a 2"3/4 pipe with three 1"5/8 pipes welded to it to collect the exhaust on the passenger side. that same manifold collects the exhaust on the passenger side then the exhaust travels under the alternator into the turbo that is mounted infront of the engine. The exit pipe from the turbo turns hard 90 degrees and runs parallel to the feed pipe back down to were the y pipe would of met then continues as the stock would.

 

First, what did you use to glue your intake manifold? I would hate to see that blow apart when you get under boost.

I hope you are going to use an intercooler. If I remember correctly the BBS system routes the intake from the turbo straight to the TB...unless youre just getting the hot pipes. The IC is not a "must"...but its good to have IMO.

 

Depending on the car, probably not. Now, if it was a big truck, like a chevy blazer, or something of the sort with a highway gear, probably off the line I'd have them, but as far as a V8 2 door sports car, definitely not. The power to weight ratio of my car is way, way off.. Maybe if I had some more money, and did a decent rebuild, then my odds would balance out, but as of now, it's a dog.

 

That turbo setup is awesome. I'm loving the modified Starion/Conquest intercooler. I've got one just like it in my garage, complete with red overspray. I gotta get the inlet/outlet changed from the 1.75" tubes then it's goin on the Mustang.

Stock for stock, if you line up a 3.1/automatic and a 305TBI/automatic at the stoplight, when that light turns green that LH0 is going to pull a car on the L03 and hold it up to about 25mph, and may even hold a nose till 45-50mph before the TBI car pulls ahead. It's all about gearing. The 3.23's paired with the 3.1 blows the 2.73's in the auto TBI cars out of the water at low speeds. I've been there and done that lining my stock 150,000+ mile bird up next to other birds and Camaros. Really the only advantage the L03 has at city speeds is that V8 feel and sound.

A L69, LB9, L98, etc is going to have no problem running away from stock or even mildly modified 2.8's and 3.1's. Couldn't tell you on the LG4 since I haven't seen a stock one in about 10 years now.

Nitrous REALLY makes a world of difference with the 3.1. I did everything wrong with my nitrous experiment, advanced timing, platinum plugs, too large a shot (125hp), etc and if anything the car ran BETTER after the nitrous use. On the squirt it was more then a match for the average V8 car. I'd put it up against a stock LS1, LT1, or a really strong L98. With three adults in the car we tore the hell out of a really nice Fox body GT. The only bad part was $50 to fill the bottle any night I was looking for trouble.

A buddy of mine bought a Fiero that ran 12's on the stock 2.8 with a 175hp shot. When we ran it without the nitrous it run mid 15's.

 

Thanks.


I now remember you. When I first signed up here, I was inquiring about putting a turbo on my car and you mentioned the N20. I liked the idea of spending a grand and never filling a bottle, lol


oh, the LHO came with 3.23's

 

That's why I've got a Mustang with a Turbocoupe 2.3L EFI Turbo now. After I get the intercooler on, I'll put the nitrous on the Mustang on top of the turbo. Started out a 88hp carbed 2.3 with a 4spd manual. Now it's somewhere well north of 150hp, boosting 17psi with a 5spd and 8.8 posi rear. So much easier to work on and parts pretty much fall from the sky. It doesn't handle like the Firebird, even after swapping to the TC suspension, but it's faster in normal street trim.

 

88hp turbo 4cyl? Wow, I thought the 2.3 Thunderbird had more than that!

The 8.5 rear is strong in the Ford's. The SBC Mustang had it running 10's, never had a problem.

Should be faster than the fbod, weighs less and you have a little more power

 

To 25mph I believe it. I have a few time slips and the 60' on a stock 3.1 wasn't bad for a 140hp, 3700lb car. It's a dog after that though, lol

 

I've beat my fair share of v8s. No, my 3.1 is nowhere near stock but, it IS n/a! 1/4 mile times are in my sig.

 

When I catch you at bradenton we'll give these guys some fair track times to consider

 

Wow, were you drunk or just stupid when you posted that garbage? Maybe you need to go back and read the discussion so far, with emphasis on what I've been saying before you get all confused and start talking ****.

What 1/4 mile times do you want, and why are they relevant when I'm talking about street performance, under 45mph? Can you not get up to 45mph in the 1/4?
Sound familiar, or did you just skip that part of the discussion? Maybe I need to break it down for you since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit. From 0mph up to a maximum of 45mph a 3.1 is usually faster. After 45mph is reached the TBI car will usually start to pull ahead... slowly.

FWIW I have a stack of timeslips but they aren't relevant to the conversation for all the reasons above, and since they were made with my Formula, they don't really apply to a discussion comparing a 3.1 to a 5.0 TBI.

You didn't? Cause I'd swear you were the one jumping up and down making an *** of yourself claiming And who cares about some 91 Trans Am you raced? Are you even reading the same topic as the rest of us? Maybe you're saying you were driving a 3.1? Maybe it would have been a good idea to explain that so your comment would be relevant. But then if your 3.1 held off a 305 TPI car, then why is it so hard to belive it'd take up to another 20mph for the TBI to catch up... hmm...

I don't know, maybe because that'd be extremely unlikely and I've never seen that happen first hand?

This first sentence is so poorly worded I can't understand what you're getting at, but again... Who cares? Maybe you're saying that when you got done racing some other homo the two of you had a gay circlejerk and took a hot shower. I really don't care since it's not really relevant to the conversation. As far as taking your Formula... Does it have a weak 305TBI with an automatic transmission and stock gears? Cause if it does I could try to track down the guy that bought my 3.1 Firebird 3 years ago and arrange a race for you, so that you can see firsthand that the 305TBI was just a marketing scheme to put a cheap V8 Fbody on the car lots.

If you're going to come in here and make a bunch of noise, at least read what's been posted and wait for the text to register in your brain before you click reply.

PS: Last I checked, 88 was the first year for the 1LE option... I don't know what you're smoking.

 

i wantd to know what i can do to my 3.1 to run faster as in aftermarket parts and what kind of setups other people have

alos wanted a turbo kit and was wondering if anyone has one for sale or knows where to get it

 

Topics have a habit of wandering. You asked the question and you're getting answers. The bickering comes from trolls and ignorants getting upset about the topic disturbing their blissful ignorance.

You want to know what it takes to beat a V8... Well if it's a slow V8, and the best V6, you don't have to do anything. There aren't really any bolt ons available marketed directly at the *60 V6 that are going to make it hang with an optomized V8. Nitrous is the quickest and easiest bolt on, that anyone can order up from any number of sources, that will actually make a sotp, real world, difference. A turbocharger can bring about the same result, but unless you have a little bit of knowledge, tools, and fabrication ability, it's not going to be easy. It's not something you can just buy from a reputable manufacturer.

The truth is that all the expensive bolt on's in the world will usually just make a 2.8 or 3.1 marginally faster. There's a reason the Fiero guys do SBC V8 swaps, Northstar swaps, SC 3800's, etc. It's not cause they just don't like the 60* V6.

 

you have to admire drew, protecting the 60* what a guy , only people have own a 60* knows what it can do. I have kept up with a 2JZ-GE in supra until i hit 50 and it took off.

 

Haha, yup! You got the LT1 in your little rocket, yet?

 

I hate to be one of those guys filling up the posts with the same answer....but if you use the search button(not the best feature anymore) you will find a lot of answers, seeing how this question is asked about 1-2 times a week.

Its funny because the time that these start to wander is about the time that some big bad V8 guy comes in and starts to bad mouth everyone who thinks that a V6 is anything but inferior in every way compaired to THEIR V8.
You know what else is funny? Off the line I have pulled infront of a lot of cars...never held it for long on some, but I still beat them for a little bit. I even beat a BMW once...for about 15 feet ...than all I saw was tail lights.
I remember once this Civic with a big wing and a "fart pipe" pulled up beside me at a light. He wanted to look all bad *** in front of his girlfriend...light turned green...I heard a really pissed off weed wacker...and than I was showing him my tail lights. But than again they say they usually race from 45mph rolls

 

The SR is still in the 240 for now, hoping to have it and my friends LT1 RS out there soon, if you can beat the 240 i'll let you try against the camaro

 

This is getting to be heated... And quite enjoyable to read..

 

I don't have any problems with V8's now....
This thread didn't say anything about the V6 having to be the factory one did it?
3.8L Buick GN V6 with a few engineering tweaks (obviously)
Last year with tight converter poor launch went 11.16@123mph on 93oct. 18psi.
This year with stroker crank,6.3" rods.. Roller cam and converter re-stalled I should have no problems with 10.50's on 93oct. and all I want is 9.9999 on race fuel one time
~Scott

 

That is a pretty slick setup you got there. How did you get the pipes molded on the front of the engine bay? It looks really good, well done.

 

I wanted to keep the stock hood so I cut the coresupport and welded the mandral bent pipes into the core support so I can use the stock latch/safty catch. The Intercooler is down below the pipes there.
The trans-cooler with fan is above the rear end. The oil cooler/fan is in the pass. side (front of wheel) Both have 8" fans/relays ect.
The only thing in the front is Intercooler and Radiator.
It's a 4"inlet pipe and 5" downpipe that flows into a splitter under the car to duel 3" exhaust with Dynomax ultraflow's. It's nice and quiet in the car and outside. It's my daily driver in the summer.
9" Rear end with 3:50gears/locker/35spline axels.
TH400trans with Brake/3700Stall.
It takes alot of extra time to set things up like this but working on it is a breese and it ends up looking alot cleaner.
Also run Sequential FAST EFI with wideband.
Cheers!
~Scott

 

With the stock hood it looks like it would be a factory 305 or something, but really, it's that... Amazing..