my 3.4/3500 hybrid project
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my 3.4/3500 hybrid project
Just some pictures of my 3.4/3500 that is going in my 92 5speed camaro. It is a rwd 3.4 with (the 3x00 roller cam setup, mild p&p 3500 heads uim and lim,70mm tb,24lb injectors,going to dis, pacesetter headers and have a ostrich 2.0 on order.
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Re: my 3.4/3500 hybrid project
Looks great man! Cant wait to get started on my 3.4/3400 build. So do you have the pacesetters for the 2.8? if so are they gonna be restrictive? Again great job!!!
06-26-2008, 03:20 AM
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The headers are listed for the 82-90 2.8 but works up to the 92 3.1. They shouldn't be restrictive they are as big as the exhaust ports are anyways acutally a little bigger due to the "D" shape ports.
06-26-2008, 05:04 AM
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Re: my 3.4/3500 hybrid project
How did you swap to the roller cam setup in the 3.4 block?
Other than that, it looks good. Kinda familiar to someone else's engine too...
Other than that, it looks good. Kinda familiar to someone else's engine too...
06-26-2008, 07:08 AM
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you will have to use studs for the lim (the picture has bolts) and just drill and tap 1/4 20 for the cam retainer . Its pretty easy to do.
06-26-2008, 07:11 AM
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nice but isnt there still the issue of the oiling system in a rwd block when using a roller cam?
06-26-2008, 07:12 AM
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i remeber reading something about somone who did a conversion on a rwd block and ended up starving the bottom end for oil.but i cant find it again nor remeber if they used oe lifters or aftermarket lifters
06-26-2008, 07:19 AM
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I've seen talk about it in the past but I took both lifters laid them side by side with the bottoms the same and the groove around the were at the same place. I could see it if they didn't line up.
06-26-2008, 05:02 PM
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I was just looking at a bare 3.4 block and I believe that even if the lifters didn't have the groove around them they still would be ok. you can feel about a 1/2" channel running down the side of the lifters. BUT, if i'm wrong we'll find out mid July then back to the drawing board.
06-26-2008, 06:23 PM
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You should be fine, I would imagine project89 is thinking of solid rollers. The only difference between the hyd rollers and flat tappets (besides the bearing) is that they are longer. I have several of both here at the shop.
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can u get a picture of them side by side
06-26-2008, 08:13 PM
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I will in the morning. My batteries died in my camera, otherwise I would have shown a pic. I also needed to take a pic of the 3500 exhaust manifold adapters I made today lol. I guess I should have brought the lifters home with me too, doh.
06-26-2008, 08:26 PM
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I actually think you would be fine even with soild rollers. There is a 1/2" channel running down besides the lifters . You can use your pinky and feel in the lifter bore.
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Re: my 3.4/3500 hybrid project
I think we've really got something going now. I'm seeing more hybrids than I expected to see and I haven't even finished mine 
. Pretty soon we're going to have to plan a hybrid v6 meet 
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. Pretty soon we're going to have to plan a hybrid v6 meet .
07-02-2008, 11:30 PM
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Just bought a set of these injectors will they be ok for my hybrid?
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
Probably should have asked before buying.
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
Probably should have asked before buying.
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u should have posted on here first i knwo me ff and ttpye camaro all have a set we would have sold, same exact injectors
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Probable would have saved me some money, but will they work with my hybrid?
07-02-2008, 11:36 PM
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yeah there fine good for just over 350 na hp i belive i was able to make just over 300 boosted hp with them
07-03-2008, 01:22 AM
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good, this is my last night then on vacation. Should have the motor in and running next week after taking care of my better half.
07-03-2008, 11:49 AM
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well i'm using a tb off a 96 up 4.3 or v8 but there 70mm may change to the 65mm late model 3.5 dohc tb. I'm going to use the stock ecm but I have a ostrich 2.0 that i'm going to use to tune it with.
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Are you just going to splice the connectors for the sensors in the new TB, or is there an easier way that i havnt figured out yet , sorry for all the dumb questions I just want to get everything right on my build lol
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somone needs to finish there hybrid and give me some competition already,then maybe ill get my *** in gear to start pushing the car.
yeah i know im lazy, but right now im the fastest v6 on the board no real reason to push the car for now :P
yeah i know im lazy, but right now im the fastest v6 on the board no real reason to push the car for now :P
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I should be done in a couple weeks, but its n/a and I will be happy to run 14's.
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one more thing the tb plugs may be the same but you will have to make or have made a adapter plate to bolt it on.
07-03-2008, 04:44 PM
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i dont give a **** about any other cars then the 3rdgen f-body
07-03-2008, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by firstfirebird
12's right? 
And no your not the fastest V6, but only the fastest Fbody 
There are 2 Jbodies and an Lbody whooping up on you right now, and one of them is N/A.
And no your not the fastest V6, but only the fastest Fbody There are 2 Jbodies and an Lbody whooping up on you right now, and one of them is N/A. 
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and yes let me put my big turbo on and crankt he boost ill be laughing all the way down from the 10.90 super street class 
07-03-2008, 05:15 PM
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The problem is not getting oil to the lifters or even to the pushrods, the problem is the roller lifters require so much oil, it will actually starve the bottom end of oil. The oil will actually flow through the lifter and out where the roller is.
It is because of so much oil needed, that any roller cam retro fits on genI SBC use restrictors.
You can use restrictors on a 660, without seriously redesigning the oiling system, just like the genIII 660 uses, with the dedicated cam/crank oil galley, and dedicated lifter galleys. The genI oiling, runs oil to the left lifter galley first, then accross the block, behind the cam bearings, to the right lifter galley and then down to the crank.
In short, you're going to have oil problems.
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Do your self a favour and pull that roller cam out NOW, before you waste the time final assemling, and installing the car to only pull it out in a few short miles (probably a couple hundred at most).
The problem is not getting oil to the lifters or even to the pushrods, the problem is the roller lifters require so little oil, it will actually starve the bottom end of oil. The oil will actually flow through the lifter and out where the roller is.
It is because of so little oil needed, that any roller cam retro fits on genI SBC use restrictors.
You can use restrictors on a 660, without seriously redesigning the oiling system, just like the genIII 660 uses, with the dedicated cam/crank oil galley, and dedicated lifter galleys. The genI oiling, runs oil to the left lifter galley first, then accross the block, behind the cam bearings, to the right lifter galley and then down to the crank.
In short, you're going to have oil problems.
The problem is not getting oil to the lifters or even to the pushrods, the problem is the roller lifters require so little oil, it will actually starve the bottom end of oil. The oil will actually flow through the lifter and out where the roller is.
It is because of so little oil needed, that any roller cam retro fits on genI SBC use restrictors.
You can use restrictors on a 660, without seriously redesigning the oiling system, just like the genIII 660 uses, with the dedicated cam/crank oil galley, and dedicated lifter galleys. The genI oiling, runs oil to the left lifter galley first, then accross the block, behind the cam bearings, to the right lifter galley and then down to the crank.
In short, you're going to have oil problems.
07-03-2008, 05:20 PM
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Solid rollers are fine, since they take less oil, no hydralic action to "pump up", just an oil hole to pass oil through to the push rod. turboz24 (www.turboz24.com) ran a set for years.
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I editted my posts, since I had "little" mixed up with "much" for some reason. It's correct now.
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i started playing with an idea to run and oil line down tot he main galley in the block but with the 3.1/3.4 stroke it became a clearance issue inside the block. i wonder if it could be done externally on the block?
that and would u blockoff the galley fromt he pump to the cam. or leave it open and let oil flow both directions
that and would u blockoff the galley fromt he pump to the cam. or leave it open and let oil flow both directions
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yeah in a 4thgen but he still went that fast, i dont remeber if it was a full street car at that time though,it may have been a gutted car. i broke it 2 years ago with very very high boost havent been able to repeat it again.but that will change shortly. im very happy to see this new setup sitting right around 13.3-13.5 on only 6 psi in a full wieght car
i really need a driver who knows how to drive in the car, due to a certian incident at the track imno longer allowed to drive at my local track,so i have my daughters mom driving the car and she has no clue how to drive really.shes just starting to finally get alot of it
i really need a driver who knows how to drive in the car, due to a certian incident at the track imno longer allowed to drive at my local track,so i have my daughters mom driving the car and she has no clue how to drive really.shes just starting to finally get alot of it
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Do your self a favour and pull that roller cam out NOW, before you waste the time final assemling, and installing the car to only pull it out in a few short miles (probably a couple hundred at most).
The problem is not getting oil to the lifters or even to the pushrods, the problem is the roller lifters require so much oil, it will actually starve the bottom end of oil. The oil will actually flow through the lifter and out where the roller is.
It is because of so much oil needed, that any roller cam retro fits on genI SBC use restrictors.
You can use restrictors on a 660, without seriously redesigning the oiling system, just like the genIII 660 uses, with the dedicated cam/crank oil galley, and dedicated lifter galleys. The genI oiling, runs oil to the left lifter galley first, then accross the block, behind the cam bearings, to the right lifter galley and then down to the crank.
In short, you're going to have oil problems.
The problem is not getting oil to the lifters or even to the pushrods, the problem is the roller lifters require so much oil, it will actually starve the bottom end of oil. The oil will actually flow through the lifter and out where the roller is.
It is because of so much oil needed, that any roller cam retro fits on genI SBC use restrictors.
You can use restrictors on a 660, without seriously redesigning the oiling system, just like the genIII 660 uses, with the dedicated cam/crank oil galley, and dedicated lifter galleys. The genI oiling, runs oil to the left lifter galley first, then accross the block, behind the cam bearings, to the right lifter galley and then down to the crank.
In short, you're going to have oil problems.
07-03-2008, 09:41 PM
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well i'm going tomorrow and getting a hv oil pump and putting a high pressure spring in it and going to see what happens. The fwd and rwd calls for the same oil pump. If for some reason something happens is there anyone that has put a fwd engine in a rwd with a 5-speed? if so what was done about the flywheel?
Depends on how you situate the starter.
If you use the RWD location, that would also require a Ford mounting style starter and custom adaptor plate to sandwhich between the bellhousing and block, to provide a couple bolts holes for the starter, you could use the RWD flywheel.
Moving over to the FWD starter location, which is what I had planned on doing in the Typhony (no longer going that route), you would use a FWD flywheel.
The reason for this is because the starter is located a little more towards the engine center line in the FWD than it was in the RWD, and thus uses a smaller diameter flywheel.
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yeah in a 4thgen but he still went that fast, i dont remeber if it was a full street car at that time though,it may have been a gutted car. i broke it 2 years ago with very very high boost havent been able to repeat it again.but that will change shortly. im very happy to see this new setup sitting right around 13.3-13.5 on only 6 psi in a full wieght car
i really need a driver who knows how to drive in the car, due to a certian incident at the track imno longer allowed to drive at my local track,so i have my daughters mom driving the car and she has no clue how to drive really.shes just starting to finally get alot of it
i really need a driver who knows how to drive in the car, due to a certian incident at the track imno longer allowed to drive at my local track,so i have my daughters mom driving the car and she has no clue how to drive really.shes just starting to finally get alot of it
"Oh, that's not an F-body" "But that's a 4th gen" Eventually you'll be saying "But it's not a blue Camaro with a black hood, I'm fastest in that club"
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A high volume pump won't help you. You need to completly re-engineer the oiling system.
Depends on how you situate the starter.
If you use the RWD location, that would also require a Ford mounting style starter and custom adaptor plate to sandwhich between the bellhousing and block, to provide a couple bolts holes for the starter, you could use the RWD flywheel.
Moving over to the FWD starter location, which is what I had planned on doing in the Typhony (no longer going that route), you would use a FWD flywheel.
The reason for this is because the starter is located a little more towards the engine center line in the FWD than it was in the RWD, and thus uses a smaller diameter flywheel.
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You're pathetic, always making excuses.
"Oh, that's not an F-body" "But that's a 4th gen" Eventually you'll be saying "But it's not a blue Camaro with a black hood, I'm fastest in that club"
Depends on how you situate the starter.
If you use the RWD location, that would also require a Ford mounting style starter and custom adaptor plate to sandwhich between the bellhousing and block, to provide a couple bolts holes for the starter, you could use the RWD flywheel.
Moving over to the FWD starter location, which is what I had planned on doing in the Typhony (no longer going that route), you would use a FWD flywheel.
The reason for this is because the starter is located a little more towards the engine center line in the FWD than it was in the RWD, and thus uses a smaller diameter flywheel.
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You're pathetic, always making excuses.
"Oh, that's not an F-body" "But that's a 4th gen" Eventually you'll be saying "But it's not a blue Camaro with a black hood, I'm fastest in that club"
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Well looks like my tb sensors are in that 10 percent lol the tps plug on my car is really wide and the iac is a square plug maybe its because its an "older, 86" 2.8. They have the same number of wires though so maybe I can get some diagrams and just splice in different plugs?
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Well I should be able to give you some competition here soon. Im not to sure about this summer but it will be done soon. Still waiting on a few parts.............
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Re: my 3.4/3500 hybrid project
Well looks like my tb sensors are in that 10 percent lol the tps plug on my car is really wide and the iac is a square plug maybe its because its an "older, 86" 2.8. They have the same number of wires though so maybe I can get some diagrams and just splice in different plugs?
I wouldn't listen the "percentages" in this thread.
Many older (pre'92ish) RWD vehciles used different connectors than what the newer FWD uses, for TPS and IAC.
Yes, you can just splice on new connectors to match. The wires should all match colour for colour too. The IAC I've seen could have one or two different coloured wires, but the TPS all matches on these cars IIRC, black to black, grey to grey (or grey with a red stripe) and blue to blue.
What TPS are you using? If it has the newer small round 3 pin plug (which should be what you are going to use), you can also use a 3 wire Coolant Temp sensor connector, but two colurs are different. If you need that info, I can look it up for you.
07-04-2008, 01:29 PM
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Car: 92 Camaro RS
Engine: 3.4/3500 hybrid
Transmission: 5-speed
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Re: my 3.4/3500 hybrid project
thinking about changing cams any advise? the 3500 heads still have the stock springs. camaro pistons.
I have a complete 3500 bottom end that I'm thinking about going to this fall and turboing I was going to use the fwd starter but the flywheel needs to be smaller any ideas on that.
I have a complete 3500 bottom end that I'm thinking about going to this fall and turboing I was going to use the fwd starter but the flywheel needs to be smaller any ideas on that.
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