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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 10:58 PM
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Where Are These?!?!


Those are for GEN I 60*'s. This whole book talked about an aluminum bow-tie RWD 60* block, GM Performance cylinder heads, high-horsepower Race RWD 2.8's, and just a bunch of sweet performance parts that I have never heard about for our cars. I wish I could find half of this stuff.-James
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 05:27 AM
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I have seen the intake on the bottom, where its intakes are off to the sides, on Ebay once. It was on there for a while. To my knowledge, not many of those were made...so it might be a while before any of those show back up.
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 10:06 AM
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Thats what I figured, reading this book was amazing, I wish GEN I 60*'s were still popular. Here are some more, notice the bottom right, almost like a mini-ram.

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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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whats the name of that book and where can I get one?
I wish I could find half of that stuff too.
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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B&M also made a blower and manifold for carb and fuel injected 2.8 but i have searched high low and called all the guys that know all the guys and still havent located anything other than an under drive pully for the thing
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 10:57 PM
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whats the name of that book and where can I get one?
I wish I could find half of that stuff too.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/2...rformance.html
There ya go, seriously, when you read it your going to keep saying to yourself "wait, there talking about RWD 2.8's????"
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 08:52 AM
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it gives a lot of useful info about porting. I wonder why I haven't seen this book before. maybe a dealership could have more info on finding this stuff.
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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I have a copy of that GM High Performance manual. It's a decent read.

That "Mini Ram" looking engine uses genII 660 heads. The book was published in 1987 when the GenII 660 was introduced, so there wasn't much info on them for high performance applications at the time, and unfortunatly I think that was the last year that book was published, so I have not seen any further information directly from GM.

The side entry "stack" injection were made by Potter Racing IIRC. There was a complete lot of GenI and some GenII parts sold off from the company a few years ago, for less than what the parts were really worth, if I had the money at the time I would have bought the lot.
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 12:21 PM
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Yeah, I am going to start looking hard for one, thats some cool stuff. I know those valve covers looked a little strange. Any idea on where I could find a copy of this book?
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 03:42 PM
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Swap meets, or out of publication book places.
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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I will have to keep looking, apparently the Chevy Bow-Tie Aluminum block still exists, I didnt get a price, but I would like to look into this as I would like to build an all aluminum(GENIII heads) 2.8-3.4 not sure yet, that is a beast N/A and then when I recuperate from the hit on the block stick a nice turbo on it.
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I will have to keep looking, apparently the Chevy Bow-Tie Aluminum block still exists, I didnt get a price, but I would like to look into this as I would like to build an all aluminum(GENIII heads) 2.8-3.4 not sure yet, that is a beast N/A and then when I recuperate from the hit on the block stick a nice turbo on it.
LINK <--------- They are still around....if you want to pay for them.
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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i have one i got from an uncles friend but it needs sleeves
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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The money spent on the Bow-Tie block can be better spent elsewhere. The weight is only a 50 lbs difference from an Iron block, and the genII has improved oiling over the genI/II blocks, possibly even better than the Bow-Tie block oiling.

There are reasons that alumnium blocks are not desirable in some cases, usually where a street engine is concerned. Just do a search (in google or another search engine) about the use of alumnium blocks and why some guys would never run them. The alumnium block tend to flex and distort more than iron blocks for one thing and can throw build tolerances out the window, that requires special prep, and then are usually best used in racing applications where a very narrow band of RPM is used. Street aluminium blocks like that of the LS series of engines tend to be very thick and heavy for what they are to combat the flex and distortion. Aluminium is used here to promote heat transefer, to keep the engine running cool.

Save the 4 or 5 grand or so spent on the purchase of the block (there's usually a couple grand more for machining after you receive it), and put it into that turbo set-up now, you'll get better performance and reliability out of it.
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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I think the 50 lbs taken off the front end would look kinda weird from the outside. the fender gap might get bigger lol. what about the individual throttle bodies? does anyone know whats happened to them?
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if u keep an eye on ebay they do pop up from time to time,but u would prolly have better luck fabbing up ur own system then waiting for one to pop up on ebay
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 10:59 PM
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Yeah $4,000 is a little ridiculous, but believe me I am very much doing a turbo project. While we're on the subject of crazy 60* stuff take a look at this.

Its for TBI, but its still pretty sweet.
Six Shooter is this the cover to the book I've been referring to?

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No, that book is virtually useless.

The book where the pages in the first couple posts came from was the GM Performance manual, released by GM. IIRC the 1987 edition had chapters that covered the 2.0L GenII I4 OHV, the 660 (which incidentally was the cover picture), the 90* V6 (4.3) the SBC and the BBC. I'd look at it, but my Grandfather has it stashed away in his garage somewhere currently.

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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by IrocZ30589
Its for TBI, but its still pretty sweet.
Yeah that's a Fageol supercharger. There was one floating around here for sale not to long ago. I don't believe that they still make those...so you'd have to find a used one.
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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i would think a 4-71 or even a 3-71 would work if that was the look you were trying to get. ...... but as I understand it, if it has a belt you are using power to make boost. If you turbo it you are using the waste gasses to make boost. considering the # of people that are on here and a few other 60* places no one is willing to repop them. I mean come on, if there were one for molds it would be cake to smelt a lil AL and make some.
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