I've been coming here a lot lately because I wanna learn more about my car. I have a completely stock '86 2.8L Camaro. Anyway, I was wondering how many different size V6 engines there are? Also, if you have any upgrade suggestions, lemme hear em. Especially, in the way of exhaust. Thanks. This is my first car by the way.

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-El Douche
"Like a midget in a urinal I was gonna have to stay on my toes."

 

From 82-89 the only V6 was the 2.8L. From 82-84 the 2.8 was carbed and from 85 on it was MPFI. From 90-92 they used the 3.1L which is just a stroked 2.8. Only 5 more HP b/w the 2 FI V6's. The carbed V6's were really dogsh!t slow. Somewhere like 107hp or so. The 2.8 is a good little engine. Not very fast but there has been a lot of them that's went over 200k miles.

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1986 Berlinetta, 2.8L, newly rebuilt 700R4, 3.42 Posi. 130K miles and counting, K&N air filters.
Wins:
1996 Mustang
1994ish Olds Acheiva
1994ish Saturn SC1
Losses:
1999 Grand Am SE
1996ish Honda Accord (twice)
1990ish Vette (never should have been dumb enough to race a vette in the V6)
Late model ZX2, five speed (3 friggin stoplights in a row)

 

Engines (V6) available to the 3rd Generation Camaro/Firebird:

2.8L(173ci) Carbeurated
2.8L MPFI
3.1L(189ci) MPFI

Those engines were the ones used in 3rd Generation Camaro/Firebird.

Engines (V6) Currently Available for purchase from General Motors:

2.8L(173ci)
3.1L(189ci)
3.1L DOHC
3.4L(207ci)
3.4L DOHC
3.8L(229ci)
4.3L(275-280ci?)
4.3L Vortech(275-280ci?)

anyway, hope this helps.

-R

 

What are the DOHC engines? Also I have always been told that the 3.1 was 191 c.u., not 189!

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91 RS Camaro
3.1L
Cat Back System, K&N filter,modified air box, Fastchip Stage 2, 160 thermo, Rapidfires and Bosch Wires, soon to come: Homemade Ram Air,and maybe power pulleys, 5 Air Horns

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If u want to learn more about the 2.8 V6, go here: http://www.geocities.com/overlift

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If u are in the Central NJ area, possibly for sale:
89 RS 2.8
60,000 miles on engine
T-Tops, new stripping
235/60/15's
AR rims
newer muffler with 2 1/2 pipes, high tempature aluminum painted
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[This message has been edited by IROCZTWENTYGR8 (edited November 15, 2000).]

 

I always thought that the 3.1 was 191 ci too. And that the 4.3 was 262 ci. As for the DOHC. It stands for double over-head cam.

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1986 Berlinetta, 2.8L, newly rebuilt 700R4, 3.42 Posi. 130K miles and counting, K&N air filters.
Wins:
1996 Mustang
1994ish Olds Acheiva
1994ish Saturn SC1
Losses:
1999 Grand Am SE
1996ish Honda Accord (twice)
1990ish Vette (never should have been dumb enough to race a vette in the V6)
Late model ZX2, five speed (3 friggin stoplights in a row)

 

Just wanted to clear up a few things...nice list 94Camaro, but a few of those engines aren't produced anymore And there's one you forgot

1) No 2.8s since '89
2) No DOHC 3.4s since '96

Here's a breakdown of the HP for the various engines:

3.1: 170hp in Malibu, 175hp in Century and Grand Prix
3.4: 170hp in Grand Am/Alero, 175hp in Grand Am GT, 180hp in Impala/Monte Carlo, 185hp in Montana/Silhouette/Venture
3.5 DOHC: 215hp in Intrigue and Aurora 3.5(AWESOME engine)
3.8: 200hp in Camaro/Firebird/Grand Prix/Regal/Monte Carlo SS/Impala, 205hp in Bonneville/LeSabre
3.8 supercharged: 240hp in Grand Prix GTP and Regal GS
4.3: 200hp in Blazer/Jimmy/Envoy/Bravada/pickups

How's that for a list????


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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 15, 2000).]

 

my dad has the Intrigue with 215 hp......pretty quick!

 

sorry i should have made it more concise. anyway, ill have to store this little thread and add it to my site when it gets up and running:
www.v6f-body.org

so there is a list of these engines. and GM still produces the 3.4L DOHC and 3.1L DOHC for replacement purposes as well as the 3.4L DOHC did NOT end in 96, it was produced thru 1998 i think, inside the Monte Carlo (not sure how long that carried the engine) Z34. i was looking at one the other day and found a 1997 Monte Z34 w/DOHC (3.4L) in the listing.

anyway.

and as for the 3.1L, ok my bad i admit i got the sizes wrong on that one..and the 4.3L if you notice i put a ? mark next to it trying to indicate i DIDNT KNOW!! ;-D

anyway. its all good.

-R

 

94Camaro

1) I was talking about engines in GM's new car lines (as evidinced by the model list I gave). I was not talking about the GM replacement engines.

2) You may be right about the 3.4 DOHC continuing in the Monte/Lumina past '96 (I was thinking about its last use in the GTP Grand Prixs and Cutlass Supremes), but I KNOW they didn't make them 'til '98. Eventually they changed to the 3.8 in the previous-gen Montes. If you say you saw a '97 Z34 with a DOHC 3.4, then there's the proof right there

Hey, even car salesmen like me can't keep ALL GM's motors straight all the time! As long as I got the Olds/Pontiacs down, I don't need to know the rest!!

And 3.1 Firebird, yeah that's an awesome engine. I was skeprical about it at 1st when compared to the torquey 3.8, but then I drove one...damn!! Its so smooth, so quiet, and downright fast!

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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

 

I've seen the 3.1 listed in a few books as 189, and in a few as 191. I've no idea why- but if I had a 3.1, I'd claim the higher #


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yea I love the 3.5 DOHC its real smooth like you said and seems to rev real happlily. I like how it revs out to 6500RPM to

 

hey Jason E,

you couldnt find me a used Olds Cutlass Supreme or a Pontiac GTP (1996) for a nice price could ya? i wanna swap my 3.4L OHV for the 3.4L DOHC.

-R
(yea im nutz, but it would be interesting to say the least...a grand experiment fabrication for me lol )

 

It would be a great swap, but for just the motor? Too much $$...even if I got one, a 100k mile one would sell for at least 5 grand, and that being older than a '96. And a motor with that many miles you'd be better off to rebuild, and with 4 cams and 24 valves, big $$

You'd be better off buying a rebuilt one from GM that buying a whole damn car

 

that 3.4 DOHC is one awesome engine. I love driving my mom's monte carlo v.s. my camaro.
only 2 things I don't like about the monte is that the computer doesn't let it rev any higher than like 6,000 rpms or 6,500? when it can go higher, and still be making power (this is stock, by this I mean the rev limiter should have been set higher) and it shifts too slow and too soft from 1 to 2, 2 to 3, etc. at times, I can be cruising @ 25 mph in the monte, and just floor it, and when it downshifts to 1st, it barks the tires good, and leaves marks. just what I need, me cruisin' in downtown slinger, wi barking the tires on my moms car. oh well the town only has a pop. of like 4000 people. I feel dumb though, church is letting out, and I drive by the church, see a friend further down the road, so I floor it to speed up and I bark the tires good.
By the way, has anybody ever heard that monte motor w/ flowmasters??? Oh god, that must sound like heaven. One of these days, I'm gonna go cut the mufflers off of my moms car just to see. then she'll kick my *** .... ok, enuf rambling for me...

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Red 88' Camaro SC
Aero Spoiler
2.8 V6, 3.42 Open Rear
TCI 3200 Stall TC
B&M Transkit
Forced Air Induction
83 Z/28 Hood
Custom Painted GFX and Rims
2.5" Dynomax Catback
IROC Gages
IROC Taillights
IROC Foglamps
'92 Z/28 Bowtie Grille
BFG Radial T/A
P235/60/SR15 front
P235/60/SR15 rear

Blue '86 IROC Camaro
305 TPI, 3.23 Posi, Auto
ALL options, fully loaded
(first owner = $ rich $)Bone Stock
Pirelli's
P225/50/ZR16 front
P245/50/ZR16 rear

 

i know this is gonna sound sick, and im still not sure how to go about it..but...

im going to be doing a 3.4L DOHC swap, from my 3.4L OHV to a 3.4L DOHC. and going to attach it to my t-5 (m49) 5-speed manual transmission

so i wont have to worry about it shifting at 6000

-R

 

well, no flames intended, but u forgot 2 engines for the Grand Am. after 92 or 93 it went from a 170 hp. 3.4 to a 170 h.p 3.1. it was the 3.1 till i think 96 or 97., and the big engine u forgot is the only reason i love my dads car a 245 h.p blown 3.1. only put on Leigenfeler Grand Am's. My dad'a Grand Am is one hell of a sleeper car.

 

Borla makes a Monte Z34 kit...and I dare say Borla makes a better quality sound SLP makes an exhaust for the Z34s too I think.

 

Uh Will, I assume you're talking about my list...

I was listing CURRENT GM products, not all of them! That list would be WAY too long and boring to read.

And BTW, the 3.1 was rated at 135-140hp (depending on application) from '90-'93, 155-160hp from '94-'98, and us upgraded to 170-175 for the '99-'01s.

Consequently, it was rated 155hp in the Grand Am from '94-'98. It was a 3.3 in '92 and '93, rated at 160hp.

[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 19, 2000).]

 

You forgot about the fastest Trans Am ever made, the 1989 TurboTA Indy Pace car with the 3.8 V6 intercooled turbo. (231 cu. in.)

Pete

 

yeah, jason, ur right, i am sorry, it had 155 hp and about 165 lbs ft of torque, but my dad's Grand Am doesn't even go by thise #'s so i really don't pay that much attention to them. but yeah u were right, but it is still funny as hell to see the looks on a person's face that has an SI or GSR when i smoke the front tires all the way through 1st gear in an automatic and i am pulling on them.......who says American front wheel drives aren't fast, but i do realize that i have one distince advantage, i know my car is fast they just think theirs is. Ohh and just to attest to the great freats of so called "American trash" 4 bangers by the ricers, my friend proved to them at Moroso that American's don't make shi**Y 4 bangers. he has a 90" Grand Am w/the 2.3 ltr HO engine w/a 5-speed, and took out a Nos'ed SI, and he is stock. See ricers only know 1 number and thats HP, i guess they don't realize torque is more important in a drag race then HP.

 

20-psi,

As I stated above, I was referring to new, current engines, not all of them. TTAs aren't new.

Will,

My dad had 1 of the H.O. Quad 4s...a '91 SE Grand Am. That car was simply awesome. I learned how to drive on it, and it was sooo fast....I pissed my dad off one too many times popping the clutch while I still had my permit and chirping the tires

When I graduated in May, '98, I had my choice...my Camaro with 57k miles or the Grand Am with 121k. Naturally, with the style of the Fbody and the miles, I snatched up the RS...but the Grand Am was, overall, a more fun car to drive. Not nearly as much fun to look at (or be seen in), but admittedly more fun to drive. 180hp in a 2800 lb car is hard to ignore...and it handled almost as well as the Camaro! The Level III suspension Pontiac put in the SE's did better than many people would believe.

My cousin has it now, and with 155k miles it still runs perfect...just needs paint. I plan to buy it back at some point to use as a driver...assuming I don't buy a new car from work before hand