OK,so yall know I'm gonna be gettin me a 3rd gen. I made up my mind. a '92 V6 5spd manual.

I know these things are no V8's,but I know our cars do have *****. So just what can we safely take on?

Mind you I'm not paranoid about losing or anything,I'm a good sport,but this has just been on my mind.

There are a MESS of rice burners around here. I am not kidding. Everywhere. I am soooo tired of seeing the VTEC logo everywhere I go.

So,I'm gonna ask the big question. Are most ricers any match for our cars? Those 5 foor spoilers they have and bright yellow paint schemes really intimidate me.

Seriously though,with a 5spd 3.1,I am thinking that a good shifter should be able to beat alot of other cars. Not all of em but alot.

is this the consencious? (typo?)

Aw shucks I guess I'll really let you guys know why I'm posting these questions...My Friend has a Ford (****) Probe GT that has the factory turbos on it.I think he told me its a 4 cyl 1.8 litre but the turbos more than make up for it. He wants to race ME. I feel that his car needs to be spanked.

But then there is all this stuff about good drivers and how well you shift and all that. I'll just have to take it out some time and race him. We'll both have manuals... Hope I can spank him.

 

Well as far as you Friend goes I Have an Escort GT with a little work done to it and it runs a 15.5 1/4 right now. Thats with out a Turbo on the 1.8. Thhere has been some head work though. I would say he will take you. Though you do some good mods and you will catch him eventually. Speed is a matter of moaney and tuning. You will have prob a 16 sec performer at best so keep this in mind. You will not beat most V-tecs, though then non-V-tecs should suck your tail pipe.
Look if you want to go fast get your car tear it all apart and put a Sper charged V8 in it with aluminum heads and a T-56 six-speed with a Ford 9" rear. Oh wait you want to go fast for cheap.
Ok hear is a good formula.
Always get cold/Raim air
Get a damn good ignition system
Do as much work on the exhaust as possible.
A lower gear always helps.
Short through shifter
then any free mods you can find.
Also remove some weight from the car.
Another good idea would be to get your heads re-worked with a 3 angle valve job roller rockers and stiffer valve springs. While you are doing this get a cam and Port match everything. THis should all together get you into the low 15's and on a good day when you hit the launch right, shifts righ, and gain traction you would get into to high 14's. THats with a 2.8, a 3.1 should net you a .2-.3 tenths lower time for a little more displacement.
Reall don't gou out picking races with Mustan GTs and really fast ricers you will lose, and you will lose more races than you will win with a V6, but hey if you really wanted to win every race you would be getting a V8 right. So have fun with what you got and build it to the best you can.
Good Luck

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86 Trans Am 355 TPI Rebuilt 700R4 with Corvette servo, modified valve body, and a B&M Torque Converter (2000 rpm stall w/ lock up), 87 350 block bored .30 with new crank, bearings, rings, and magnafluxed rods. Reworked 305 heads with 3-angle valve job. Added in the rebuild was an SLP TPI cam, BBK 58mm Throttle Body,SVO 24# injectors,MSD 6A, Hypertech Power Coil, 1.5 Crane roller tipped rocker arms, SLP Intake Runners and Port matching in upper intake including fully ported plenum, TPIS adjustable fuel pressure regulator @ 46psi, Hooker shorty style headers w/ Thermotech heat wrapping, Custom 3” exhaust with Flowmaster muffler and chrome quad tips, Hypertech Thermomaster Computer chip, K&N open element cone filter on modified MAF per TPIS specs, MSD Wires, removal of A/C hardware and a 1LE firewall cover installed. Also there has been a PST front suspension kit with Hotchkis strut tower brace
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Kills:
95 Talon TSI, 96 Probe GT, 91 T/A L98, 89 RS, 86 Mustang GT, 88 Mustang LX 5.0, 92 Thunderbird V8. couple or ricers that I think were Civics or Preludes not sure what year, 95 Celica GT-S, 94 Chevy 1/4 ton 350, one of those NASCAR F150's ..... **** on Monkie
SOON TO BE A SUPER CHARGED TURBO WITH NOS ON A 500000 CU. IN engine

 

1st. If its dressed up, the ***** is probably the lowest of the low as far as ability go. Some exceptions, lm sure, but as a rule. l once saw a woman in my store carrying "Weapon Type R" stickers in her hand. l asked her what they were for, and she said its for her husband's Z34 cavalier. "After all its a sports car". So, l wouldnt stress any dressed up 4ft tail *****.

All l can say about the ford is "try it". Just because you should or shouldnt lose doesnt mean you will or wont. Just make sure you do a good tune-up before hand.

Clayton

 

Mess with anything you want. I tryed racing a Vette once, just to see how bad he would beat me (didn't want to race me though - must've been the V8 rumble!!!). Most 305's (older) you can hang with or pass from 0-60, but then he will either pass you or you will just pull away from him. Anything bigger than that, and you could probably only hang with him till about 40. As for an **** Probe, I raced a guy with a 96 2.xL V6 5-speed, and I got killed bad. Don't mess with them unless you are out to be embarrased. Rice rockets are okay as long as you don't find one with a turbo. Other V6 f-bodies I cannot help you with since I never raced one. A new V6 Mustang is probably on par with you. My friend's 97 would pass me at about 75-80. Just experiment, have fun doing it, and don't let cops catch you!
All of the above info is from personal experiences, so it could vary from what you have done.

Vman

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1969 Camaro
383, Corvette heads, 700R4
Resto is in progress

1988 Toyota 4-Runner
aka the Parts Hauler

 

Oh, BTW, all of it was done in an 89 2.8 with 700R4

Vman

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1969 Camaro
383, Corvette heads, 700R4
Resto is in progress

1988 Toyota 4-Runner
aka the Parts Hauler

 

HELL YEA BOY! Get you a 92 5 speed! But just remember Im the #1 92 on this board. OH **** GUYS I DIDNT MEAN IT! J/k J/k J/k!

Anyways there is no way we call tell you the cars you can and can not take. Just gotta get out there and start swingin. Just dont start to many fights. Nothing like reving at a civic and end up gettin ur *** spanked. Well glad to her youre gettin a maro!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
First Gen Integra
More to come

 

Hey Monkie, lemme sink another $1000 into my car, and I'll come up to SC and show you who's the #1 92 round here, although I am a firebird. LOL, just joking. LOL, I'm still getting edged out by that Cavalier I can't beat. 93 3.1L front wheel drive. I have him till bout 50. OH well, my chip should be comin in the mail soon.

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92 Bird 3.1L Auto
Best $750 I ever spent....

DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!

Kills:
93 Mustang LX (Before Mods)

Mods-Jet Stage 2 Performance Chip, Accel Cap/Rotor, Accel 8.8 MM Wires, Accell Coil, AC Delco Rapidfire Plugs, Dynomax Catback, K&N

AIM name OVRCLCK350

 

:sigh: kyle u and that damn escort

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1989 pontiac firebird
bright red exterior(just repainted)
grey interior
5 spd
305 TBI (stock)
WS.6 formula wheels
3.73 posi rear end
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system: 2 10" MTX thunder 2000 in a Professionally done custom bandpass box.
Blaupunkt CD player
Blaupunkt 4x6 and 6x9
600 watt rockford fosgate 4.6 amp

http://members.aol.com/j007golden/Mikey89.html

 

What is it can't you take some competetion? Gee you act like it is sooo bad. He asked a serious question and I gave him a serious answer. My 1.8 with a little work in a smaller car - Turbo is doing a 15.5 so I would gues the Probe is in the mid - high 14s. Damn what craweld up your *** and died?

 

alright, i've got a crapload of races in my sig, so you can check those out. But i'll give you the races that were close, um. The 305 El Camino was a real close race, i ended up loosing by inches, the 350 El Camino was also close, i lost by about a door or so. The thing with V8's is there T.Q. will launch them better than you, most v8's have low end tq, but die up high in RPM's that's not true for new vettes, birds, and maro's though. I've raced a couple little civics and stuff, nothing big, a friend of mine has a Probe GT with a v6, and i gave him a ride, I told the guy that if i raced him he would whoop my *** , then i floored it in my car, and he said that he didn't think i'd do to bad, maybe he was just being nice. But, most cars on the street we can race, just watch out for turbo's. I once got spanked by a 92 Celica GT, it started out loosing against me, then his car started whining like a bastard, and took off. I raced a friend with a 92 Celica GT later, and i spanked him through every gear, so my loss was apparently aftermarket aspired. I also took on a Mustang GT, might not have been on this board, but i hung alright through 1st gear, (no BS, that's true) but when he hit second, that car took off like no tomarrow. Oh yeah, and i was losing in 1st gear, but was still hanging o.k., about a halfar length. Anyway, here's the sig.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder. * 86-90 Pontiac T/A, 305ci. (might not have been running well, but i'll count it anyway.)
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

my V6 would outrun most ricers and most v8's on the road. No need to race when your one of the top dogs. would like to get back to the race track to test my skill against other bracket racers...... mabye this summer

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3.8 turbo 20th anniversary transam #497 first owed by Clifford Williams, Bass player from rock band AC/DC

 

Hey turbo....Ya might wanna watch out for this blue RS! In about a year I will be spitting out some PSI.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
First Gen Integra
More to come

 

I hung w/ a mid 90s GT thru 1st gear too, I couldn't believe it, then he shifted to 2nd and was gone.

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Red 1986 SC, 2.8L, newly rebuilt 700R4, 3.42 Posi, t-tops, 133K miles and counting, K&N air filters, hopefully more to come!

 

Hey Monkie, how fast do you plan on running. You'd have to be deep in the 12's to beat Turbo497 and deep in the 11's to beat me. Many friends that I know set out as a goal to beat me and it cost them a lot of maney only one has so far. With my car I've spent $200.00 and it was running 12.70's.

Good luck and spend some more money.

Pete

 

Low 11s maybe high 10s. But it will be a while guys!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
First Gen Integra
More to come

 

I thought you 2.8 or 3.1 was already running 10's? What happened?

 

no kyle, his car was running 9's.

 

You can take him wheni first goot my car that night i had never raced before and my car was runninlike hell with the ses ligh on acume leaks and in major need of a tune up i came close to winnign but it was also my first race

 

Thanks 85 I knew it was something really fast. Ok Monkie if your 3.1 is running 9's why are you wanting to go slower?

 

kyle, if you dont like monkie e-mail him or shut up I;m sick of seeing your bs.

 

So whenever ur stupid *** drives to Greenville I wont sh*t face totally destroy your escort. Thats why I wanna go slower. Oh and take 3.1 firebird's advice and shut up.




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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
First Gen Integra
More to come

 

Cant we all just getta bong (opps) i mean along

 

Well I bought a 2000 M5 stang with a little 3.8 V-6 because I got a good deal on it $13,995 with only 4200 miles on it. I need something that got 20mpg and ran on the cheap gas and was reliable(new). Anyway that little sucker can get a little rubber shifting into third gear(gotta shift at 5500rpms with one person in car). I think that a 5speed 3.1 could hang with the autos though if you get 3.73 gears, catback, and all the boltons including chip assuming your car is in good running condition.

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305TBI FireBird, Holley Intake and TBI, Headers, Torquer Heads, Gears. Best E.T. 15.08 at 92.5, 0-60 6.45.(Before Heads)Summit cam purchased 204-214, to be installed "soon". And maybe a TPI swap,

 

i have to agree that the new 3.8stangs are pretty quick. I've raced only one, and that's when my car was running on 4 cylinders (idiot friend did a tune up, and 2 sparkplugs were the wrong size and got whacked by the pistons) anyway, he took off real quick. That was a huge improvement from the older stangs, the ones right before the new body style, i used to walk on those all day long. And my auto, made a nice run against my friends manual, i caught up with him after my car downshifted.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder. * 86-90 Pontiac T/A, 305ci. (might not have been running well, but i'll count it anyway.)
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

Well remember guys the older Mustangs were 4cyls. The old box style is a walk for just about any V6. I have beat a few of the new 3.8's in my escort, but I only took the time to beat the **** out of one with the T/A.

 

It the car is totally stock, I wouldn't race much. Everytime I go to the track, the stock V6's run mid 16's and even low 17's (poor shifting?) My wifes '97 Bonneville with the non-supercharged 3800 runs 15.9 in the 1/4. That had me pissed b/c when my car used to be carbed, my best was 16.1. Pretty emabarrasing when your wifes grocery getter can outrun the "hot-rod V8", but I don't have to worry anymore. You'd be pretty surprised with what can run better than a mid-16, there is alot out there. I think even a stock eclipse can do that.

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'87 Trans Am
S/D TPI retrofit including functional PassKey, 22# injectors,
JET AFPR, Ported Plenum,
TB Coolant Bypass, Custom Cold Air,
SSM SFC, KYB Shocks, Boxed LCAs, Wonder Bar,
8mm Accel wires,
Flowmaster Exhaust,
16" GTA rims,
Corvette Servo,
-->14.97 @ 94.9 MPH<--

'97 Bonneville SSE

 

the "older" stang i was talking about was a 1996 rustang with a 3.8L v6 and 5 spd.

 

whatever you race, take them on a back road.. ive killed slightly modified 5.0 rustangs on some windy roads before.. plus a probe is gonna have a LOT more body roll than a stang.. just get him into the curves, thats where you got the biggest advantage.. and who has their v6 turning 10's? in the eigth mile maybe..

 

the 10's thing was a joke scoob. hehe. had to do with the arguments between monkie and kyle.

 

Hey someone on here said that he had beaten a Dodge Daytona. I own an '84 Dodge Daytona Turbo(daily driver), and it runs like a ***** for a four-banger. I have beaten a Maxima, and I have beaten a newer v6 Chevy truck. I also beat my cousin's '92 4.9 (Ford calls em 5.0) Mustang LX that is modded, off the line. But in the race with the stang, after second gear he tore me a new @$$hole, and I am just proud that the ol turbo-four-banger held with him so long. Now I just need a new clutch, cuz goin' up to his house on the hill I stopped in the snow and ice and I just sat a spun and I let the clutch slip and I believe it burned her pretty good. But, anyhoo, I think these little cars are quick for 80s four-bangers!

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Chris "$teve" Williams
1984 Firebird "Stroker GT
2 1978 WS6 Trans AMs (one of which is a "T/A 6.6" 220 hp.)
http://www.geocities.com/butterscotch_kandy



[This message has been edited by DaBandit (edited January 02, 2001).]

 

I was probably the one who talked about beeting the Daytona, its a friend of mine's car, but it's not the turbo version. I spanked him pretty quick, but from what i've heard, the turbo's can hold their own.

 

85f-bird, had a feeling you were being scarcastic.. thats why i had to throw in the 1/8 mile comment.. :P

 

Heh, I have been spanked by a Dodge or Plymouth, think it was an Acclaim? Sounds pretty emabarrasing, but since it had a turbo and ran 8.9's in the 1/8, not to shabby for a four door.

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If you live in Southeastern US, check us out!
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ASE Master Tech + L1
Savannah, GA

'87 Trans Am
S/D TPI retrofit including functional PassKey, 22# injectors,
JET AFPR, Ported Plenum,
TB Coolant Bypass, Custom Cold Air,
SSM SFC, KYB Shocks, Boxed LCAs, Wonder Bar,
8mm Accel wires,
Flowmaster Exhaust,
16" GTA rims,
Corvette Servo,
-->14.97 @ 94.9 MPH<--

'97 Bonneville SSE

 

hey... no offense to any of you but i think you are crazy about the mustang thing..my friend has a 98 GT, conv., fully loaded and that **** is not fast (maybe cuz my dad has a 69' 383/530 Camaro). i have an 86 2.8,5-speed, t-top without any mods, except custom rims, and his stang isn't that much faster than me. My car also has 140k miles and doesn't run the best. ya'll put the v6 down too much. i've raced almost everything and beat it, sometimes barely. The only thing i've gotten beat real bad by was a modified CRX w/NoS--was tearin his *** till he flipped the switch, of course

 

well, i think it depends on the driver in some situations too. My car's an auto, and when i lined up against the Stang GT, we made a heck of a run through first gear, i kept right with his car, except he had a little more off the line umph than my v6 has. But when he hit second gear, that car took off, i think mustangs are natorious for being slow through 1st but get power in second. Now, when i say he took off, he didn't go flying away, but he gained 2-3 carlengths with ease, and this was one of the 4.6L stangs, according to the tags. I've been beat by a Celica GT once, but i swear he had a turbo, or juice, cause i was whoopin' his butt and then he just took off like a pocket rocket. But when i raced my budies celica Gt convertible, i whooped him always in all ways there was no comparison.

 

Bout the ricers... I know the Jackson Racing S/C kit for Civics is getting to be pretty popular around here (NorCal).

A turbo on a 6cyl would definitely give you an advantage over the ricers, vtec or not.
(speaking from experience - 86 Mustang SVO 2.3L turbo 12psi)

-Patrick

 

I can honestly say I have taken a 1995 z28 with a LT1, but listen how.. My buddy mike got his new ride, after several weekend excursions to the local strip his tires were really worn and he came to show me his ride... I go wana race, I figured I would get slapped sine he has slipss reading 13.1 and crap, so we go down this old road and hear is what occurs:

He brakes traction bad, I don't I just go, the road was windy and he fish tailed several times, again I just go... Well I won to the light and harassed him about that, thenwe went again, this time he hooked up and spanked me, but I can say I beat a 1995 LT1 I am the only person who has beaten him so far...

I have taken a 3800 V6 stang, but usually no one wants to race me...